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striderx wrote:Can anyone explain why the opponet would choose to use the first line of boyz as a sacrificial unit, rather than using the kans as the first line of defense?
I definitely thought the kans would serve to be a better source of first line defense, so that the rest of his boys can counter assault the next turn. I thought the opponent actually didnt play very well.

He explained that earlier - my deffrollas (x3) would have had free access to his kans. He deployed the way he did because he wanted to be able to countercharge me.

Edited because apparently defending myself is a dick move? Oh well.



Clay

Primarch wrote:Because 3 Deffrolla armed Battlewagons would have rolled right over the top of my 9 Kans? It's pretty obvious that leading with the Kans there would have gotten them all killed. Not sure your "plan" would have been worth much of anything in this game.


Thanks for calling me out though, I am sure you dominate the tournament scene where you live with "tactics" like those.....



Clay

Not sure, but I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time on this thread alone you've pulled a total dick move.

Let's keep this friendly please...

Dashofpepper wrote:

striderx wrote:Can anyone explain why the opponet would choose to use the first line of boyz as a sacrificial unit, rather than using the kans as the first line of defense?
I definitely thought the kans would serve to be a better source of first line defense, so that the rest of his boys can counter assault the next turn. I thought the opponent actually didnt play very well.

He explained that earlier - my deffrollas (x3) would have had free access to his kans. He deployed the way he did because he wanted to be able to countercharge me.

Yes, you would expect that to happen. But his lootas will definitely get side shots on your wagon (assuming he knows how to deploy the lootas), wreck it, and charge your contents. 15 + 15 Lootas on AV12 open top will have a high chance of wrecking or exploding it. If he doesnt, it's just tough luck. Anyhow, it is definitely better than what had actually happened.

Primarch wrote:Thanks for calling me out though, I am sure you dominate the tournament scene where you live with "tactics" like those.....
Clay

If you are narrow minded and cant accept comments, then so be it. I m not here to put down anyone, but to exchange pointers.

Re-read the thread. I did deploy my Lootas out to the flanks to get shots on his BW's. But again, rolled poorly on those turns and didn't do much with them, luck happens I guess. I still think putting the Kans in front would have hurt more than help.

Can you explain why you think that would have been a better move?



Clay

Primarch wrote:Re-read the thread. I did deploy my Lootas out to the flanks to get shots on his BW's. But again, rolled poorly on those turns and didn't do much with them, luck happens I guess. I still think putting the Kans in front would have hurt more than help.

Can you explain why you think that would have been a better move?

Clay

In that case, his battlewagon rolling into your kans would have given you a 2nd chance to get side shots at his wagons. Getting rid of his transport will help alot in you stealing back the initiative from him.
All you all, you will have had to sacrifice a unit. But I would have chosen the kans. Also, I don't think you need to sacrifice all 9 kans, 6 might have done the job.


Btw, I dont think you can place the flamer templates from the deff rollas? Are deff rollas part of the main hull?

Primarch did get side shots on my wagons. There were buildings in the way that blocked his LOS for a few Lootas, and my own Lootas were tearing back into hit Lootas - so he didn't have full Loota squads by the time my battlewagons crossed the field.

The shots he did take whiffed, or I got KFF saves against.

And you've got to understand that there's a lot that goes on in deployment and the game that can't be second-guessed during the game. I didn't get a good field of pictures this game because we were constrained on time, but turn1, he didn't have side armor opportunities. \|/ works wonders, if the center is a bit back. Basically front armor to the whole field. Turn2 was much the same - he had obstructed view, and I intentionally was aiming for that - and I presented front armor on a battlewagon to his left Loota squad (which in turn protected the battlewagon in the middle), and the Lootas on the right whiffed against their battlewagon. Some games your dice are hot, and some they aren't - he stole the initiative and on turn 1 rolled 45 shots each with his Lootas, which got used to kill deffkoptas because he had nothing else to really shoot at (except my Lootas) but the deffkoptas were a bigger threat. I'm pretty sure that he rolled 1-2 shots the rest of the game, and my nobs jumping on his Lootas turn4 didn't help.

I think Clay is a great player - perhaps a bit rough around the edges, but that's a personal quirk, and I've seen much worse. We all *are* an eclectic community.


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striderx wrote:


Btw, I dont think you can place the flamer templates from the deff rollas? Are deff rollas part of the main hull?

There's a gigantic thread over in YMDC about this - feel free to head over there and read it. Not counting a deff rolla as hull (and subsequently measuring to and from it) breaks a lot of things in the game, and is a far worse alternative than counting it as the hull.

I didnt expect him to get side shots on your wagon at a distance away. But if you were to deff rolla into his kans, it would definitely be a good opportunity for him to get side shots on your wagons - which is why it is not a bad idea to use 6 kans asa first wall of defense.


Quite surprise on the part about deff rolla being hull though. I still thought it is abit unfair.
Also, wouldnt this mean a longer side for the battle wagon?

striderx wrote:I didnt expect him to get side shots on your wagon at a distance away. But if you were to deff rolla into his kans, it would definitely be a good opportunity for him to get side shots on your wagons - which is why it is not a bad idea to use 6 kans asa first wall of defense.


Quite surprise on the part about deff rolla being hull though. I still thought it is abit unfair.
Also, wouldnt this mean a longer side for the battle wagon?

Again, 5 page thread on this over in YMDC. Lets keep this about the game.

Dashofpepper wrote:

@Warboss:

I've never heard of seizing on a 1 instead of a 6 - I can't think of any reason anyone would do it either.

Dashofpepper wrote:He rolls and steals the initiative.

with quoting you i see the issue. am i the only one whose computer gets a dice icon with one pip in the dash of pepper quote above? it's wierd because the text quote says colon six colon but the dice shows one. that's why i thought you said he stole the initiative with a 1 on the roll. either way, cool report and nice pics. i've only ever put up one battle report and they're alot more work than they seem. keep em coming!

It looks like a six to me.

Congrats to you Dashofpepper! Awesome batreps and even more awesome victory. I love Ork on Ork action as it's always interesting and fun to watch.

warboss wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:@Warboss:
I've never heard of seizing on a 1 instead of a 6 - I can't think of any reason anyone would do it either.

Dashofpepper wrote:He rolls and steals the initiative.

with quoting you i see the issue. am i the only one whose computer gets a dice icon with one pip in the dash of pepper quote above? it's wierd because the text quote says colon six colon but the dice shows one. that's why i thought you said he stole the initiative with a 1 on the roll. either way, cool report and nice pics. i've only ever put up one battle report and they're alot more work than they seem. keep em coming!

It's an animated icon - shows some random faces, then stops on 6. Do you have animated images disabled in your browser?

Janthkin wrote:

warboss wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:@Warboss:
I've never heard of seizing on a 1 instead of a 6 - I can't think of any reason anyone would do it either.

Dashofpepper wrote:He rolls and steals the initiative.

with quoting you i see the issue. am i the only one whose computer gets a dice icon with one pip in the dash of pepper quote above? it's wierd because the text quote says colon six colon but the dice shows one. that's why i thought you said he stole the initiative with a 1 on the roll. either way, cool report and nice pics. i've only ever put up one battle report and they're alot more work than they seem. keep em coming!

It's an animated icon - shows some random faces, then stops on 6. Do you have animated images disabled in your browser?

Which is weird...in my browser, I see a static six.

Dashofpepper wrote:
Which is weird...in my browser, I see a static six.

It's animated alright. Just for 2-3 seconds and then it stays on the 6 forever, even if I reload the page. I have to open it anew to catch it.

yup, had animations off (like apparently gorkamorka's avatar is animated).


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lol, and the little ork gun in my sig fires!

Primarch wrote:Edited because apparently defending myself is a dick move? Oh well.



Clay

Defending yourself from what I thought was friendly advice....

Eh, agree to disagree I guess. I thought he said I played badly, then said I should put my Kans out front to screen my boys. Which would have allowed the DRs to roll over them and wipe them out in around a single turn or so.

Maybe he could have worded it differently, and I am sure I could have reacted differently.



Clay

Ah yes I did notice that.

I said to stay friendly! Do not attack someone, and don't make snide remarks. Let's not derail this thread.

Nicely done! Congrats on the impressive showing!

Looking forward to meeting you at the SoCal Slaughter.

warboss wrote:yup, had animations off (like apparently gorkamorka's avatar is animated).

How do I turn off the animations? Some of the avatars here are so horrible they make my bain bleed, and I heartily hate the animated ork smileys. Please tell me!

i have internet explorer. go to tools... internet options... advanced.. multimedia... turn on animations.

Mellon wrote:How do I turn off the animations? Some of the avatars here are so horrible they make my bain bleed, and I heartily hate the animated ork smileys. Please tell me!

But surely, Tantalus' avatar makes up for this!

On topic; these are great batreps Dash, you've really opened my eyes to how speed freaks work.

Good job on the clean sweep, Dash. Even with the stolen initiative, da slower boyz couldn't take the game. Two thumbs way way up!

Yep.

I've got another tourney this weekend - I'll get more pictures and batreps.

Dash, I was wondering how your nobs were equipped and how the kombi-rokkits did on them.

I take kombi-rokkits with ammo runts so that the BS2 gets a chance to do something.

My games didn't actually present me much opportunity to use those kombi-rokkits. They dealt a couple wounds to Bloodthirster in the first game. The second game they might have killed a bodyguard. Third game...don't think they did anything.

Those kombi-rokkits are there so that I can pop a rhino before assaulting it - or to soften something up (like a Bloodthirster) before assaulting into it. I'm not worried that they didn't do anything here - my army is intended to have an answer for everything, and I have answers for things in a game that aren't present. Burnas are a good example - people keep telling me that I should cut down my burnas. Some games, they don't deliver massive overkill. They're not there to wtfpwn everyone - they're primarily there so that I can answer Tyranid armies, and when they make up their points in other games, I'm grateful.