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But as Spencer pointed out once, apologizing over making cracks about someone else's miscarriages makes it all good and the offended parties accept it. The guy should just apologize for it and then he'll be back.

leejerrum wrote:

dietrich wrote:If using the "n-word" is the definition of racism, then every African American rapper and pro athlete is a racist. Using or not using deragatory words does or doesn't make you a racist, what's in your mind and heart does.

Whether you like it or not that simply isn't the case. You cannot use that word, as you yourself can attest to with the "n-word" abbreviation.

Considering this is a family-friendly board, I avoided it. Just as I avoid any of Carlin's 7 dirty words (which grew into like 800 words and phrases).

12thRonin wrote:But as Spencer pointed out once, apologizing over making cracks about someone else's miscarriages makes it all good and the offended parties accept it. The guy should just apologize for it and then he'll be back.

It would be a start at least.

daedalus wrote:

Blasphemers don't get second chances. I wouldn't of touched the guy with a bargepole after kicking him off the show. Look at Nicolaus Copernicus.

Fixed that for you, leejerrum. I could also have gone with lawbreakers, homosexuals, intolerants, left-handed, right-handed, colorblind, or disabled people. Good thing you're so just and mighty that you've never done a thing requiring forgiveness.

He's not saying the N-Word because over-sensitive people like you would start jumping up and down calling him a racist.

Yes, saying the N-word is wrong because of the conotations associated with it. I know it's been said before, but how many times have you acted self-rightous when a black rapper used the term?

For crying out loud - Jar jar was drunk, up for 20 hours straight and was Tazered. What you then saw and heard wasn't a secret veil being lifted where he used the opportunity to voice his distain of all black people; He said a naughty word which he and everyone apologised for. Move on with your life.

Honestly, it's like we're living in a Harry Potter novel "DON'T SAY HIS NAME AARUGHHGHGH etc."

todeswind wrote:

leejerrum wrote:

dietrich wrote:If using the "n-word" is the definition of racism, then every African American rapper and pro athlete is a racist. Using or not using deragatory words does or doesn't make you a racist, what's in your mind and heart does.


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The point of that threat was very clear. Whether it was serious or not, we don't know. But the point was clear. If the sender just wanted to make him lose sponsors, he wouldn't have used that language.

Whether you like it or not that simply isn't the case. You cannot use that word, as you yourself can attest to with the "n-word" abbreviation.

If you want to call Jar Jar a racist that's all well and good but it doesn't justify blaming someone for the still birth of their child because a word was said... that's beyond uncool.

Don't get me wrong here mate, I agree with you fully. They're idiots pure and simple - I'm just pointing out the root cause of the issue, Spencer made an error in judgement bringing him back on the show, whether he was pissed, high, strung out or lacking sleep - words to that effect should of ended his time with the crew.

If you think I'm over sensitive you obviously don't know me, check out my forum... I'm just being realistic here.

leejerrum wrote:

todeswind wrote:

leejerrum wrote:

dietrich wrote:If using the "n-word" is the definition of racism, then every African American rapper and pro athlete is a racist. Using or not using deragatory words does or doesn't make you a racist, what's in your mind and heart does.


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The point of that threat was very clear. Whether it was serious or not, we don't know. But the point was clear. If the sender just wanted to make him lose sponsors, he wouldn't have used that language.

Whether you like it or not that simply isn't the case. You cannot use that word, as you yourself can attest to with the "n-word" abbreviation.

If you want to call Jar Jar a racist that's all well and good but it doesn't justify blaming someone for the still birth of their child because a word was said... that's beyond uncool.

Don't get me wrong here mate, I agree with you fully. They're idiots pure and simple - I'm just pointing out the root cause of the issue, Spencer made an error in judgement bringing him back on the show, whether he was pissed, high, strung out or lacking sleep - words to that effect should of ended his time with the crew.

If you think I'm over sensitive you obviously don't know me, check out my forum... I'm just being realistic here.

I can see where you are coming from, but Jar-Jar's slip of the tongue isn't the issue at hand.

If Jar-Jar gave a sincere apology on-air for his mistakes, I see no reason not to have him back.

I don't listen to 40k radio. I knew what it was, but I honestly didn't even know the host's name until today.

I don't know who Jar Jar is. He may be a total moron and even be a cross-burning KKK member. That doesn't mean using an offensive slur should result in Life without Parole. People need to realize that 1) in general, people do deserve a second chance, 2) there is a thing called freedom of speech, however repulsive that speech might be, and 3) it's Spencer's show, if you don't like it - don't listen to it. As much as one person has freedom of speech, the other person has the freedom to not listen (especially when you consider, this isn't a guy in front of your home yelling at you, this is a podcast you have to choose to download and listen to).

CaptKaruthors wrote:What I'd like to know is what the hell happened that caused a falling out with Chipley, Scott, and Spencer? I thought they were all really good friends?

I couldn't say for sure, but it might have had something to do with them announcing his wife's miscarriage to the internet the previous week. Regardless of whether he even gave them the go-ahead, that's not their information to disperse.

Ultimately, using the n-word on the air is a really bad move regardless of who you are and what your attitudes may be.

If this had been television, the dude would have been canned in a heartbeat with no second chance. Have you seen Michael Richards around recently?

I just can't believe that they felt the need to have a 20 hour show anyway. Look at how much dumb crap they put on Fox News just to fill the 24 hour news cycle. I can't even imagine talking about GW games for 20 hours straight.

40k Radio was always hindered by the fact that one of the commentators (don't know which one) was extremely annoying on the air. While I admire the gumption it took to put together a regular podcast, it also is essential to have decent content, likeable on-air personalities, and decent production values.

It seems like you could chalk this up as a learning experience and hopefully the community as a whole can learn from the experience and put together a better show in the future.

Fix wrote:

CaptKaruthors wrote:What I'd like to know is what the hell happened that caused a falling out with Chipley, Scott, and Spencer? I thought they were all really good friends?

I couldn't say for sure, but it might have had something to do with them announcing his wife's miscarriage to the internet the previous week. Regardless of whether he even gave them the go-ahead, that's not their information to disperse.

But that makes no sense. Spencer was in contact with them while they did the show, and the latest ep there was no mention of Scott and Chipley not coming back.

skrulnik wrote:
But that makes no sense. Spencer was in contact with them while they did the show, and the latest ep there was no mention of Scott and Chipley not coming back.

But when did his wife find out?

Samwise158 wrote:Ultimately, using the n-word on the air is a really bad move regardless of who you are and what your attitudes may be.

If this had been television, the dude would have been canned in a heartbeat with no second chance. Have you seen Michael Richards around recently?

I just can't believe that they felt the need to have a 20 hour show anyway. Look at how much dumb crap they put on Fox News just to fill the 24 hour news cycle. I can't even imagine talking about GW games for 20 hours straight.

40k Radio was always hindered by the fact that one of the commentators (don't know which one) was extremely annoying on the air. While I admire the gumption it took to put together a regular podcast, it also is essential to have decent content, likeable on-air personalities, and decent production values.

It seems like you could chalk this up as a learning experience and hopefully the community as a whole can learn from the experience and put together a better show in the future.

And what was Michael Richards doing before that story hit? Standup in small clubs. He was on a downward trend already.

The 20 hour show was driven by donation. When they hit a certain value, they continued another hour. Most of it was getting people who listened to the show to talk for a bit.

You are welcome to your opinion. I enjoyed the show. Even the off topic train they seemed to be on alot lately. Its not like they were charging me to listen.

Well, rumour has it that spencer for some odd reason decided to temporaily kick off scott and chipley via text message. they were pretty upset about it and both decided not to come back, end of story.

but you can read all about that here: http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=3444

concerning jarjar... i really dont mind second chances. but i just find the guy plain annoying. he appearently cant go through a sentence or two without some sort of profanity and it just annoys the hell out of me.

i think its sad, i liked the show.

You can't say the n-word but Rush Limbaugh can say things like this?

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

[To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

“Let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do — let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work.”


Yeah, you're right. Some gamer dude says the n-word one time and he should just roll over and die.

leejerrum wrote:Racists don't get second chances. I wouldn't of touched the guy with a bargepole after kicking him off the show. Look at Big Ron Atkinson.


Schoolboy error.

Really? I mean he said the word [see forum posting rules], he didn't rape a toddler. Saying hurtful words falls firmly in the 'redeemable' camp for me.

40k radio has never been a good podcast, and Spencer literally taking his toys and going home because someone on the internet said mean words to him is a testament to what a prima donna he is (not that i'm defending the person who made the remarks, but he should grow a thicker skin)

mike_houghton98 wrote:His affairs needing to be in order can be a number of things.
Without knowing anything else I dont think that can be thought of as a threat.
It could mean that he is going to make spencer lose all his sponsors, and his affairs could mean his bank accounts, money, cash flow etc.

That's got to be the lamest defense of hate speech I've ever heard.

"Get your affairs in order" is a well known euphemism for "You are going to die". When Funeral Houses, Will Attorneys and Doctors ask the question "Are your affairs in order" they aren't talking about sponsors or cash flow. They are talking about Wills, Funeral Plots and Estates. They are talking about death and you know it, I know it, and everyone reading this knows it.


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evilsponge wrote:40k radio has never been a good podcast, and Spencer literally taking his toys and going home because someone on the internet said mean words to him is a testament to what a prima donna he is (not that i'm defending the person who made the remarks, but he should grow a thicker skin)

I'd say bringing up your wife's recent miscarriage and making death threats are a little more serious than telling you to play 40K better. There's thick skin and there's turning a blind eye to personal, serious attacks. While I don't know Spencer from Adam if a hobby ever got to where lives and family were being attacked... I think he did the right thing.

agnosto wrote:You can't say the n-word but Rush Limbaugh can say things like this?

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

[To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

“Let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do — let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work.”


Yeah, you're right. Some gamer dude says the n-word one time and he should just roll over and die.

No one who would be offended by overt racism listens to Rush .. There is money in that kind of talk after all, even if people deny it

However, the difference is most programs are listened to by a multi-cultural group of people who dont like hearing racial slurs. I do think people take words way too seriously and the internet age has caused people to get "offended" for the sake of gaining attention. It does amuse me on an academic level that people can say one "racist" word and be labeled a racist forever, yet people forgive MUCH worse offenses quite easily. Probably falls into the "Im holier than thou" category in that it makes people feel better about themselves in that they may have less money, fame, etc.. but at least they didnt get caught on air saying racist stuff!

Let he who has no sins throw the first rock, right?

I drop N bombs all the time and I'm not racist, my best friend in high school was black. It's a fething word, whopedy doo. People need to stop with the drama crap. They just want to feel important.

The Green Git wrote:

mike_houghton98 wrote:His affairs needing to be in order can be a number of things.
Without knowing anything else I dont think that can be thought of as a threat.
It could mean that he is going to make spencer lose all his sponsors, and his affairs could mean his bank accounts, money, cash flow etc.

That's got to be the lamest defense of hate speech I've ever heard.

"Get your affairs in order" is a well known euphemism for "You are going to die". When Funeral Houses, Will Attorneys and Doctors ask the question "Are your affairs in order" they aren't talking about sponsors or cash flow. They are talking about Wills, Funeral Plots and Estates. They are talking about death and you know it, I know it, and everyone reading this knows it.


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evilsponge wrote:40k radio has never been a good podcast, and Spencer literally taking his toys and going home because someone on the internet said mean words to him is a testament to what a prima donna he is (not that i'm defending the person who made the remarks, but he should grow a thicker skin)

I'd say bringing up your wife's recent miscarriage and making death threats are a little more serious than telling you to play 40K better. There's thick skin and there's turning a blind eye to personal, serious attacks. While I don't know Spencer from Adam if a hobby ever got to where lives and family were being attacked... I think he did the right thing.

No calling the cops and going on with your life would've been the right thing, not throwing a tantrum and shutting down your website

evilsponge wrote:No calling the cops and going on with your life would've been the right thing, not throwing a tantrum and shutting down your website

Calling the cops would do what? Fill out a police report, subpoena the ISP for logs, look up the user that posted the threat and do what?

I think just removing yourself from the situation is more time and cost effective. If anyone is throwing a tantrum it's the person making the threats and insults.

Atleast from my perspective.. giving into threats and fear is no way to live my life. If I ENJOYED broadcasting I wouldnt shut down cause some fool made threats. Doing so would let them win.. Perhaps he simply WANTED to stop broadcasting and this was a convenient catalyst? Reminds me of the whole vassal drama.. Somehow people believed that GW sending a silly threatening letter meant a damn thing. Instead the person who ran it just didnt want to deal with it and update it all the time.. so others took over. Succeeding is the best way to beat people who push you around

We'd be in a bad place as a society if the bullies made us do whatever they wanted

Either way I won't miss the show, I honestly doubt it had much life left in it after Spence alienated just about all his friends

eNvY wrote:I drop N bombs all the time and I'm not racist, my best friend in high school was black. It's a fething word, whopedy doo. People need to stop with the drama crap. They just want to feel important.

What you say with your friends and what you publish for the whole world to see are two different things.

Phil left for a reason.

All I'm going to say.

Lets get something straight.

Whether or not 40kradio had good content is pretty much irrelevant. The fact is that it added to the 40k community in a generally positive way.

Sure, humans made mistakes on the show, but thats what humans do.

Now its gone because some silly fool decided to take it personally and e-mail Spencer an irate, insulting and threatening letter during a known time of bereivement.

Now the 40k community is lessened thanx to this moron's nerdrage.

Good job.

it added to the community in a positive way? I felt pretty embarrassed knowing I had something in common with them.

Deadshane1 wrote:Lets get something straight.

Whether or not 40kradio had good content is pretty much irrelevant. The fact is that it added to the 40k community in a generally positive way.

Sure, humans made mistakes on the show, but thats what humans do.

Now its gone because some silly fool decided to take it personally and e-mail Spencer an irate, insulting and threatening letter during a known time of bereivement.

Now the 40k community is lessened thanx to this moron's nerdrage.

Good job.

QFT

Nah calling it quits after those personal attacks seem like nothing more than a cop-out. In reality its because 40k Radio (aka Spencer) made dumb decisions in the heat of the moment like Spencer firing his hosts and bringing back the controversial and infamous Jar Jar Kramer.

Spencer's also a guy that dishes out heated nonsense as well. I do agree that personal attacks isn't cool but he basically does that to his friends and a big reason why the other hosts left. Bringing back Jar Jar was a move in desperation and Spencer knew of the controversy regarding him; not much sympathy for lifting a lifetime ban and then again him trying to cop-out with the "second chance" nonsense when its really because he has no other hosts to call upon...

Spencer has a history of basically deflecting everything negative to him right back to others; his personality is the main downfall of 40k Radio.

RIP.

Used to be Tau-riffic. More drama on why Spencer's an asshat here: http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=3444