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Not a fan. I like the colors and washes/foundations having different bottles for distinctions' stake. The clear bottles look cheap.

Do keep in mind they said "from the factory in china"

So do not expect anything better than what we have, just hope its not worse.

I like the flat ring/edge around the inside of the black pots. I like to dab the excess paint off of the brush there, and like someone else said, dip paint off that lip inside the lid.

Makes me even more glad I've recently switched to Vallejo...

Personally, I love these. The colors are clearer, and if I'd be able to identify pots more easily, so I'm fine with the change despite the reduction in size.

I'm really not a fan of the foundation & wash paint pots right now, I like how the regular paint caps have that little flat part on the inside, I I shake up the pot, and take the paint from the inside of the cap and use the flat part on the inside rim for dabbing off paint or doing some light mixing.

I'd have to say my favorite kind are the valejo style droppers, but I don't like how watery most of the valejo paints are :(

With this change in the pots, I'll probably start getting Valejo paints since the eye dropper thing would make it easy to just squirt it all into my existing current GW pots.

Does anyone have better pictures?

I find GW and Vallejo to be very complementary to one another.

Some colors GW does better, some Vallejo.

Vallejo has droppers, which are nice because the paint doesn't dry out, and it makes for very repeatable mixing... But Vallejo also tends to get sorta clumpy and clogged in the dropper, so that can be a struggle.

Conversely, GW's flip tops are great to just grab some paint out and go, you won't have to fiddle with it to get paint, it's either dried and done, or you get paint.

I notice odd little "clotting" problems with Vallejo, where it forms little dingleberry sorts of things on the tip of the longest brush fiber. Not all colors, and not all the time, but one minor complaint.

All in all this sounds more pro GW, I guess, but I really do use a lot of Vallejo, particularly because of the mixing. Being able to count out drops and know you're repeating the same color over and over, that's a major, MAJOR plus for painting armies. For one offs, not as big.

Also, Vallejo's "Smoke" or whatever it's called, is fairly magical. Not the same effect as Devlan Mud, but similar in that plopping it on virtually anything makes it look much more interesting.

I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Ill stick to my P3 paints, although a dropper style bottle would be nice for sure.

If the only thing theyve changed for the paints is making the top lid clear, thats not so bad. If the lid itself is actually cheaper and flimsier Ill be disappointed.

i am suprised that you don't see model paint collections that are new from the factory popping up on e-bay from chinese shippers.

Not a fan of the Foundation style pot lids, but it isn't a deal breaker by any means. However, that semi-transparent lid bit is pure genius for being able to tell what color is what when they are all bunched up in my work space or in my paint drawer.

Although I quite like the foundation and wash lids, I have trouble opening them with no pain due to lack of nails (violinist you see), also, when ever I open them they are so tight I sometimes fear I may spill some of my precious paint over my cloths (not really a problem), the table and stuff and working on (a bit more of a problem) or the floor (now that IS a problem)

Of course, I like the transparent lids, I always have trouble finding the right colours even though I have the colour painted onto the lid for ease of use. Also, if they were pretty easy to open, then I think I'll like them more than the current ones as long as the price stays the same.

Got to admit for ease of popping round the corner from me I'll still be using some GW paints, moved to a new place and no idea if anywhere near does vallejo or PP paints where I can pop out and buy them if I need them that day.

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

oni wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

Don't eat it then...

For what it is worth, GW paints no longer say 'non toxic' on the side like they used to. Foundation red and yellow have the maximum lead content for something that can be sold to under 18s in Europe if I remember correctly as well. Dont eat paint

I don't like how watery most of the valejo paints are

Shake it baby! (for quite some time...)

And to get good layers you need to mix GW and Vallejo with some water anyway...

Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

GMMStudios wrote:Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

A well populated orphanage.

I had a look at the new pots and can confirm that they have the standard 12ml content as all previous Citadel and Foundation pots. Furthermore, with this years price hike just done, paints stay the same price (although they got considerably more expensive last year).

GMMStudios wrote:Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

There are special laboratories for such tests. But as tests are expensive, they are done selectively. E.g. by the EU (see Killabot example for a similar test).

The testing materials themselves likely run in the tens of dollars, assuming you already have a properly-equipped lab and somebody who knows how to run them. The expensive part generally would be putting together that lab. And either paying the lab personnel or getting the proper training yourself. (If you happen to know somebody who works in a chemistry lab and would do you a favor, and are willing to pay for the supplies yourself, you could probably get it done for under a hundred dollars.)

Or you could accept that paint with lead in it isn't really a problem unless you put it in your mouth, or it flakes off the model in significant amounts. If you're painting your house, you'd better avoid the lead... but unless you're painting thousands of models or have them where your kids can put them in their mouths (a bad idea anyway, as most of them are choking hazards), I can't see it being a problem.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

oni wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

Don't eat it then...

DaveL wrote:Or you could accept that paint with lead in it isn't really a problem...

Thought I'd toss this out there... the most common pathway of lead exposure is through ingestion of lead dust through normal hand-to-mouth contact. So unless your washing your hands everytime you get GW paint on them and wearing a dust mask when you're drybrushing; guess what... You'll be injesting lead.

So while it may not kill me it still doesn't give me a warm feeling knowing that I'm handeling a toxic substance.

GW made figures in lead for years and your hands would go black handling them over a long period. As long as you respected them by washing your hands afterwards before eating food and the like it was fine.

Paints don't have much lead in them. Unless you put the stuff in your mouth in large quantities you'll be fine. There are much greater risks in the hobby such as certain chemicals in various modelling putties and of course resin. Anyone seriously worried by the lead in their citadel paints should be too scared to leave the house.

You may be suprised to know that there are lead test kits available at many home improvement stores and on line. They were made specifically to test old paint on existing objects. Basically it is a test strip that you rub on the paint (sometimes you need to scrape the paint a little) and if it changes to a specific color there is lead in the paint.

Mick A wrote:

Phryxis wrote:The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other. The best was the original white soft plastic lid (still have some of the original release paints that are still usable...)

Mick

Agreed, after discovering all my blue paints had dried up beyond repair I won't be buying any more GW paints. My FLGS has warmachine's line as well and thats an opportunity to throw them more business.

I think the new design is kind of lame.
The paint tends to cake around the ring.
And I used the top of the black pot as a pallette
Does not work for the new style

I still have some 20+ year old white top GW paints that I use on a semi-regular basis. They rock.

All of the black screw top GW paint bottles were terrible in comparison, as has been said, they dry up so fast I may get 1 or 2 uses out of a pot before its gone.

the slightly newer black pop tops were an improvement over the screw tops, but they still suck compared to the white topped ones of old.

The company that produced the white-top paints is still around operating under a different name, my FLGS stocks their full range... Coat d'arms, I'm working on collecting their full catalog now.

RogueMarket wrote:I hope they aren't reducing the amount of paint. If so, its time to promote vallejo paints.

It was time to do that LONG ago, where have you been?