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i better be able to play mechanicus.... hopefully it'll be like elder scrolls or fallout like

Ennkay wrote:If this isn't a shooter im going to hang myself

And that from someone with Lincoln as his avatar

Anyway, whatever its name, I will certainly test and play it!

ph34r wrote:Well, you are getting 3 games stacked on top of each other

Eh? Three games? What three games?

ph34r wrote:...plus a monthly fee for servers, and weekly patches, and frequent content patches that add dungeons, quests, etc.

Yep. All happy to pay monthly for those. Why am I also forking out a stupid amount of money for a game I can't play unless I pay even more?

ph34r wrote:You don't have to pay for the expansions if you don't want.

K... not really talking about expansions here, but anyway...

ph34r wrote:You will still get 6 years of patches

Yeah... see, every other game I own - and I do mean that, every other game I own - has patches, and I've never had to pay for one.

ph34r wrote:and the content of the entire first game, as well as everything the additional games have added, except for the ability to go from level 60 to 80

Ah! We're talking about WoW. Gotcha.

ph34r wrote:for the huge "double dip" of $5 to start plus $15 per month, plus a free 10 days (or $5 of game time essentially).

Basically, it's zero dollars plus $15 a month to play a game that originally cost $50, and has been improved for 6 years straight, and you get your $15 worth per month of improvements and additions to the game constantly happening.
Does that really sound unreasonable?

Yeah, I'm talking about MMO's in general. I bought Guild Wars and played that for a while. I was fine paying a decent amount for that because there was no monthly fee. Aion when it came out here was in the high $70 mark... for what? You've still got to pay more before you can play it. Seems like a rip off to me.

Micro-transaction, eh?

"Well, Mr. Skully McSkullson, your n00b bolter isn't really doing the job anymore, is it? However, for a one-time payment of $15.00 *insert CC number here* we'll upgrade it to a master-crafted bolter!"

I hate the new wave of micro-transactions to pay for things in game. "Hey guy! want a new skin for your game!, it wont actually change anything, but you can look cool for only $4.99!"
"but I already paid full price for the game"
"And now you can have the game, WITH ADDONS!"
"Feth you."

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hopefully it'll be like elder scrolls or fallout like

That would be nifty actually. A 40k MMO version of that would be an interesting game if done properly ofcourse.

Nice name, but I will hold my opinion until I see some actual gameplay.

Ah, Dark Millennium!

Invoking 2nd Edition = A good thing!

This surely heralds the return of armor save modifiers to 40K and that holiest of holy grails...

Terminator Armor saving on a 3+ on 2d6!

I wanna call my character Jervis.

Wolf wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hopefully it'll be like elder scrolls or fallout like

That would be nifty actually. A 40k MMO version of that would be an interesting game if done properly ofcourse.

indeed, hopefully it will be like this and done correctly... with all factions present upto and including inquisitors and the crons

The Night Stalker wrote:Nice name, but I will hold my opinion until I see some actual gameplay.

Don't worry. I'm sure we'll get some really fancy CGI movie made by Blur studios that will have nothing to do with the game whatsoever, but will look really shiny and will make everyone go 'Ooooh! AHhhhh!'

I mean, they did it with Warhammer Online, they're doing it with Not-Knights of the Old Republic. Why not Dark Millennium?

Gitkikka wrote:Micro-transaction, eh? - "Well, Mr. Skully McSkullson, your n00b bolter isn't really doing the job anymore, is it? However, for a one-time payment of $15.00 *insert CC number here* we'll upgrade it to a master-crafted bolter!"

From what we can see over on warhammer40konline, they have an interview with massively at 12midday PST today.

We would assume any announce would be at that time or just before, so hopefully info will be out within 6-7hrs.

On a side note we also spotted an interview with one of the THQ fellas that let slip actual gameplay footage is due to be shown today, oh and he mentioned titans will be in the game.

Hee hee, I love Penny Arcade.

And I'm afraid the name "Jervis" has been taken. "Jervass" is available though.

Karon wrote:
It would be complicated, but would make a great game, and more importantly, a DIFFERENT game, a DIFFERENT MMO.

In the MMO Industry, different is BAD.

Sure it seems like if the 40k MMO is a wow-remake or a planetside-remake(please god, please god, LET THIS HAPPEN) would just be rehasing someone else's work, but in the case of MMOS, this is typically a GOOD thing.

MMOs that tried to be original

Star Trek Online

Matrix Online

Rising Force Online

Warhammer Age of Reckoning (They specifically said, it's just like WoW but 'Different' and every point that was 'different' was what killed the game)

The list goes on and on...

now if you want your 40k mmo to last around 3 years and not have a playerbase exceed 30-40k by all means, hope for a 'different' type of game.

But if you're like me, and want to see this MMO last, and bring countless new and exciting (and non-beardy) people into the 40K franchise, then you'd probably best be picking up Planetside or doing a 10day trial of WoW and hope that your time in these games translates to 'potential experience' in the upcoming title.



AS far as will it be an RPG a FPS or any other genre, I personally have noticed that most official sources cite the game as a "Warhammer Online MMO" and seeing as how its done by Vigil (anyone who has played Darksiders has tasted their work, and if you havent played Darksiders yet, rent it, its a good one) a strict click to punch/spell/shoot (aka current MMORPG mechanics at their most basic level) seems EXTREMELY unlikey, however, so does the concept of a traditional FPS. I see it working like a 3rd person Action game (much like Legend of Zelda) that may have a "First person mode" (which may or may not function like a traditional FPS) but be more focused on the Third person action experience.

That being said, with Vigil's history and THQ taking rendering to new heights, and the projected release dates (that I have seen) this game is going to be FAAAAAAR off, and when it DOES come out, you will need a beast of a computer (2gig video memory(Sli/Crossfired or single card) 4-8 gigs RAM, quad 3.0gzh processor etc) to keep up with what will probably end up being the end-game specs, the game will probably have a hard time scaling, so if you are running off a hand-me-down XP desktop or a Netbook, start saving up now if you are interested in this game.

Yeah, I'm talking about MMO's in general. I bought Guild Wars and played that for a while. I was fine paying a decent amount for that because there was no monthly fee. Aion when it came out here was in the high $70 mark... for what? You've still got to pay more before you can play it. Seems like a rip off to me.

i wouldnt really consider Guild Wars an MMO, to me it was just a 3d version of Diablo 2. it had some MMO-like features but it falls short of being a true MMO. As for being free that's its gimmick to get you playing, just like the Free 2 Play games that cost you nothing to download and play but run an in game Cash Shop to buy all sorts of items and junk with real money. In those kinds of games if you want to be good you have to pay for it so you basically create your own subscription fee be how badly you want stuff.

Onto the real isssue. Why pay for a game and then pay a monthly fee. Well they were nice enough to give you a free month with your purhase so knock $15 off the cost of the initial purchase. Your initial purchase goes to paying everybody who made the game in the first place, game development does not come for free or out of thin air. Secondly your reoccuring monthly fee goes to maintain all of the servers (hosting aint cheap), pay the tech support (WoW has a 24hr server maintenance team), pay people to develop new content for patches, bug fixing and events (dressing up for holidays seems like a Space Marine would want to do.)

Then there are expansions some companies have them for free (Lineage 2) others make you pay for them and put them out at such a frequent rate just so they can keep the game "fresh" and keep people playing and attracting new players with "new content" (WoW, Everquest)

The monthly fee does decrease the more months you subscribe for, a 6 or 12 month subscription is cheaper per month than paying by the month.

I really don't get the issue with subscription fees. its part of how they do buisiness, if you dont like it play one of the free ones and see how different things are run.

MMOs are like 40k and WHFB, you have expansions and codex updates and you dont have to buy them; but unless you have a good gaming group you wont be getting many games with the general public.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Warhammer Age of Reckoning (They specifically said, it's just like WoW but 'Different' and every point that was 'different' was what killed the game)

I have to disagree on this one. It didn't try to be original at all, it tried to be DAoC 2(unsurprisingly, since it's the same creators), and didn't fail too much at that(hence why I loved WAR). Had it actually BEEN DAoC 2, it probably would have done better.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Karon wrote:
It would be complicated, but would make a great game, and more importantly, a DIFFERENT game, a DIFFERENT MMO.

In the MMO Industry, different is BAD.

Sure it seems like if the 40k MMO is a wow-remake or a planetside-remake(please god, please god, LET THIS HAPPEN) would just be rehasing someone else's work, but in the case of MMOS, this is typically a GOOD thing.

MMOs that tried to be original

Star Trek Online

Matrix Online

Rising Force Online

Warhammer Age of Reckoning (They specifically said, it's just like WoW but 'Different' and every point that was 'different' was what killed the game)

The list goes on and on...

now if you want your 40k mmo to last around 3 years and not have a playerbase exceed 30-40k by all means, hope for a 'different' type of game.

But if you're like me, and want to see this MMO last, and bring countless new and exciting (and non-beardy) people into the 40K franchise, then you'd probably best be picking up Planetside or doing a 10day trial of WoW and hope that your time in these games translates to 'potential experience' in the upcoming title.

it is easy to point out the games that are different and failed but you completely ignored the ones that are different and stuck around.

sure there were some that were different that didnt make it.

Horizons
Auto Assault
Shadowbane

and those that are different and still around today.

Planetside
Eve Online
Lineage 2
Project Entropia

The problem is that everyone compares everything to WoW and realistically WoW is not different at all either.

WoW took everything that worked from other MMOs and watered them down so that the game would be easy and fun to play so that it would appeal to the masses. There is nothing ground breaking about WoW, everything that WoW does has been done before.

People do want different but MMOs tend to have their flavor of the month like 40k and WHFB do too. Diehard fans will stick with what they like and buck the trends.

Keys to success for a 40k MMO

1. Big shoulder pads
2. Plenty of darkness of the grim variety
3. a whole lot of violence
4. Interesting and fun one-liners
5. Jervis NOT helping balancing things
6. Good graphics and atmosphere.. none of the cheesy stuff cryptic puts out (STO people)

Kirasu wrote:Keys to success for a 40k MMO

1. Big shoulder pads Have Dark Eldar as a playable race
2. Plenty of darkness of the grim variety
3. a whole lot of violence
4. Interesting and fun one-liners
5. Jervis NOT helping balancing things
6. Good graphics and atmosphere.. none of the cheesy stuff cryptic puts out (STO people)

Fixt

Maybe next year!

I want to play as a Broadside.

and i want to play as an arch magos... but will it happen? most likely not. more then likely it'll be marine and guard based

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:and i want to play as an arch magos... but will it happen? most likely not. more then likely it'll be marine and guard based

Acardia wrote:I want to play as a Broadside.

Oh ye of little faith!

Tzeentch has granted this man his wish!

Such is the power of chaos! (And MSpaint)

Acardia wrote:I want to play as a Broadside.

I want to play as a Shokk Attack Gun.

I still think a huge majority of traditional 40k players will be very dissatisfied with anything produced along this genre. Because most of what I'm hearing is that people basically want an MMO of 40k to play like a massively scaled Table-top game, which we know will not happen.

Factions suck in MMO's, I've tried them and it get's very boring. Especially when you're partied or clanned with a moron that deserves to be PK'd. Fully open PvP would never work for this IP as an MMO unless it followed the path of Rogue Trader or Inquisitor. The problem then would be justifying large battles of 100-500 people at one time.

Fortunately there is a lot of time before we will ever see this on the shelf so...no reason to worry for now.

Good and I mean really good MMO's run off of 'DRAMA'! If there's no drama, there will be no longevity.

http://www.fz.se/artiklar/nyheter/20100615/forst-hos-fz-wh-40000-dark-millenium-online

Heres the first trailer and the first pictures from the game Enjoy!

Harpa wrote:http://www.fz.se/artiklar/nyheter/20100615/forst-hos-fz-wh-40000-dark-millenium-online

Heres the first trailer and the first pictures from the game Enjoy!

I bet alot of people just wet themselves at the hope of piloting a WarHound. It's really hard to get an idea of the game mechanics from that trailer though It looks like there are definately elements of a 3rd person Shooter as well as either Squad based or something akin to it for a 'party' system.

Feth me. Warhound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That... I mean... it's a little cartoony-super-deformed... and the 'daemon' looked a little dopey... but still... yeah... I'll give it a chance.

Looks like it's Black Templar vs orks.

I'm pretty comfortable with that.

'Cept i want Ravenguard :(

Vehicle support would be AWESOME.


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I take that back. I like the variance they shwoed. Chaos, Guard, Marines, Orks. reminds me of DoW. Looks like lost of vehilce support, though I bet the titan will be more like Liberty prime was in Fallout 3.

It heavily reminds me of WoW in the 41st milennium. which is to say AWESOME. I'll play the demo when it comes out. if i'm impressed, I'll probably switch to it from WoW.

I want to be a bloodthirster!