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metallifan wrote:Definately the Sturmgewehr. It was the first true Assault Rifle after all. Existing Assault Rifles gotta give it credit, and it -was- the base for the design of the AK-47

This. And I've actually fired one, a friend has it :3

And if you think an AK is tough, you haven't taken one of these for a wear test.

My grandpa on my dad's side was forced into the Hitler Youth at the outset of WWII. When the allies invaded Normandy, he managed to get his hands on one. He said you could lie half-buried in Norman mud, full of sticks, rocks, and leaves, in the middle of a rainstorm, and when time came to make the ambush, you could count on it to still perform perfectly.

Now -that- is reliability.

I voted the AK. It is more than just history and functionality that makes it the best AR of all time. The fact that in some countries you can buy one for $25 american is just insane.

I'm with Generalstoner, there's more Ak-47s out there than anything else, used in more fields of conflict than anything else.

The market has spoken, whatever it is that an assault rifle is ultimately needed to do, the AK-47 does it better than the rest.

There's a Stg-44 for about $6k on gunbroker. Go get it!

Umm, potato gun.

If you get tired of shooting it you can eat the ammo.

How about assault shotgun? The AA12 is sick (in a good way). :

I'd have to say SCAR, but it isn't listed.

Time will tell on the SCAR, but I think we're long overdue for a weapon that is modular, covered in rail systems, and which uses significant amounts of composites in its receiver.

It's really very odd to me how firearms have progressed over the last 30 years. Very little has changed in terms of their basic function, but it seems like people spent all that time realizing, hey, it might be nice to be able to attach crap to it easily. It doesn't seem like it should take 30 years to discover that.

Oh, and I'm still fan of the Dimaco c8, which our army still uses.

Appears to be an AR. I don't see any major differences, at least.

FAMAS definitely, the accuracy of a sniper rifle combined with the length of a carbine whats not to love

sebster wrote:I'm with Generalstoner, there's more Ak-47s out there than anything else, used in more fields of conflict than anything else.

The market has spoken, whatever it is that an assault rifle is ultimately needed to do, the AK-47 does it better than the rest.

The bottom line is that the AK47 can account for the most deaths on a battlefield.

It is more than likely the 'best' assault rifle ever designed. Even if it jams, it is supposed to be one of the easiest guns to un-jam; that is a big plus. For it's cost, and reputation as a 'point and shoot' weapon, more people can be armed, cheaper than any other assault rifle.

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Its a cliche, but it has to be the humble AK surely? It always fires, and whatever it hits goes down, you cant ask for more than that.

Haven't fired a weapon ever but, HK416?

ShumaGorath wrote:Best is an objective measurement when you give no quantitative situations in which something could in theory be better or worse.

A knock-off the the AK which can be buried in the desert for a week, washed in the sea, and still fire reliably and accurately.

Funny how those guns are famed for being capable of something they don't actually do. Submersion and burial can damage an AK and doing such things significantly ups the chances of a jam or failure of another sort. The AK is a very rugged gun, it's not "Bury it then throw it in the sea and it's still 100% effective" rugged.

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Yes, but the Galil is. It's a standard part of Israeli military acceptance testing.

I would have voted AG3 but since its not listen I voted STEYR AUG

Kilkrazy wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Best is an objective measurement when you give no quantitative situations in which something could in theory be better or worse.

A knock-off the the AK which can be buried in the desert for a week, washed in the sea, and still fire reliably and accurately.

Funny how those guns are famed for being capable of something they don't actually do. Submersion and burial can damage an AK and doing such things significantly ups the chances of a jam or failure of another sort. The AK is a very rugged gun, it's not "Bury it then throw it in the sea and it's still 100% effective" rugged.

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Yes, but the Galil is. It's a standard part of Israeli military acceptance testing.

Plus its got wire cutters and fricken bottle opener built in. they also solved alot of the ak's accuracy problems by simply moving the rear sight.

Lol No. Anything the AK-47 can do, some other weapon probably does better
It has two things going for it, reliability and quantity.

Let’s point out some faults.
1. 7.62x39mm is not a particularly effective ammunition. It’s a very stable, non-fragmenting round. The Early ones caused MINIMAL damage.

2. Accuracy isn’t anywhere near its modern counterparts. (High tolerances for better reliability)

3. Sighting Sucks, has a “high” profile and has weird ranges.

4. A lot of recoil.

5. No standardized mounting rails for accessories and sights.

6. XBOX HUEG magazine.

There are probably more that i haven't thought about.

Low quality of available training.

Kilkrazy wrote:Low quality of available training.

Doesn't he watch movies? Weapons should be fired, one from each hand! He's just lazy.

lol. Thats a great picture, i saw a guy in Sierra Leone firing with the stock wedged between his feet.. like some sort of bizzarre bullet firing mortar tube?

Bla_Ze wrote:Lol No. Anything the AK-47 can do, some other weapon probably does better
It has two things going for it, reliability and quantity.

Let’s point out some faults.
1. 7.62x39mm is not a particularly effective ammunition. It’s a very stable, non-fragmenting round. The Early ones caused MINIMAL damage.

2. Accuracy isn’t anywhere near its modern counterparts. (High tolerances for better reliability)

3. Sighting Sucks, has a “high” profile and has weird ranges.

4. A lot of recoil.

5. No standardized mounting rails for accessories and sights.

6. XBOX HUEG magazine.

There are probably more that i haven't thought about.

Wait, you think an AK has a lot of recoil?

Compared to modern 5.56 weapons, yes.

Now compare it to a proper rifle. The AK's recoil is nothing to a finely crafted 7.62 NATO.

Frazzled wrote:Now compare it to a proper rifle. The AK's recoil is nothing to a finely crafted 7.62 NATO.

And no one interested in hitting a target will fire a 7.62 NATO in burst mode, let alone fully automatic.

Its not in the same category as a 5.56 NATO, or even a 7.62x39. The weapons that fire 7.62 NATO are now, almost universally, considered to be DMR's.

Doesn't help that the AK is stupidly front heavy (and heavy in general). My upper body isn't terrible and after two magazines (single firing) I was getting tired in the forearms.

Snikkyd wrote:I'd have to say SCAR, but it isn't listed.

too bad the scar is one of those weapons that get's represented a lot more in games rather than in real life. from what I have read and talked to others about....it's really not all that....

sorry noobs...

I vote for FAL...but I would rather choose the M14, or the M1 Garand...

they are not really assault....but I would rather have an M14 than any other rifle out there. They fire rounds fast enough to be used for CQC, yet they are scary accurate even with iron sights to 1000+ yards.






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ShumaGorath wrote:Doesn't help that the AK is stupidly front heavy (and heavy in general). My upper body isn't terrible and after two magazines (single firing) I was getting tired in the forearms.

very true....the AK will outlast anything, if it was apocalypse time, and I had not gun cleaning supplies, I would trust nothing but the AK as far as reliability.....but they tumble bullets so bad, the thing is wildly inaccurate, and like Shuma said, very heavy...

Bla_Ze wrote:There are probably more that i haven't thought about.

There's no doubt a whole lot more. If the question is 'what assault rifle would I most like to have if I were a properly trained member of a modern day military?' then the AK-47 would come just about last. But we weren't asked that question, we were just asked "what is the best assault rifle?'

Now, in those terms you need to also consider how common the above situation is compared to this other question - 'what is the most practical weapon I can get my hands on the distribute to my warband, who have minimal training in combat and weapon maintenance and just need something loud and scary so that I can move from village to village terrorising and looting the locals to keep this god-awful scrub war going for decades?' then the AK-47 is the clear market leader.

Then you have to consider that the latter question is, sadly, a lot more common than the former, as demonstrated by the simple fact that there's a hell of a lot more AK-47s in the world than any other gun.

I agree with Sebster whole heartily. When I am running through Dust2 and trying to plant a bomb, my terrorist friends and I only rely on the power and efficiency of the AK47. No CT unit can stand against the withering hale of bullets unleashed by this weapon. Also, I can bury it in sand and throw it into the sea on my way to the bomb site

I'm going with the AR thats best for killing zombies, the AK 47, thats what the zombie survival guide says so it must be true.

I prefer the SKS over the SKS....a bit more accurate...

although....there are exceptions....this is the beast that I own...the VEPR K


mine is chambered for the 7.62x39 at the moment...but I am thinking of bumping up to the .223...

I also own a a Yugo SKS, a few WWII rifles, SA XD 9mm subcompact, and a heavily *nerdily, uselessly* modded mossberg 500....










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oh, I am also purchasing this from a friend, I am giving him money every month as it is over 4000 new....I am paying 1800 heavily used....

I LOVE this gun.. HK SL8 .223...



say what you want...


I have a baddass white rifle now..... I wish I could carry it around slung on my back....not to shoot anything...just because I love the look of it so much.




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youbedead wrote:M14 definitely, the accuracy of a sniper rifle combined with the length of a carbine whats not to love

fixed.

I went Steyr AUG, partially because it is so reliable, accurate and light, and partially bacause I like Austeyr F88s anyway.

Love the look, inbuilt scope, Easy beyond belief use and the fact that it uses a very simple to find bullet size.

FALs come in a close second, because the 7.62 x 51 NATO is just badass...

I'm sorry, but if you have the MP 44 up on the poll and no BAR listed something's going on.

Personally I would put the Thompson Gun up there, but as it is not a choice I got to go with the AK-47. Large caliber, works in all conditions, heavy enough to be a club, and mass produced.

Of course a running joke with the AK-47 is that you would be lucky to hit the broadside of a barn, from the inside.

Poor accuracy at long ranges is a drawback because if you can't get effective range, it's just not effective.

Although the whole "gun x works if mud is packed in" depends on luck. You can pack an AK-47 full of mud and have it fire or not.

halonachos wrote:I'm sorry, but if you have the MP 44 up on the poll and no BAR listed something's going on.

I thought assault rifles were generally weapons with smaller rounds, and the BAR fired a big ass bullet, making it a light machine gun.