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err Vortex nade. All I know is that anything thats touched / Partially touched by it is killed. No saves nor Invulnerable saves.

Huge things I forgot but they get some kind of hit not get utterly wiped out.

Dylwar wrote:err Vortex nade. All I know is that anything thats touched / Partially touched by it is killed. No saves nor Invulnerable saves.

Huge things I forgot but they get some kind of hit not get utterly wiped out.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it's like d6 unsaveable wounds to monstrous/gargantuan creatures and d3 structure point hits to vehicles with structure points.

yeah thats pretty much it I think unless you consider leaving a cratter a stat lol.

Ok, now back to Magnus. (Sorry if im being mean)

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:As a Primarch and a deamon prince he should cost more than any greater deamon or IC in any codex. He really should be 600-1,000 points.

angron doesn't cost that much..... then again he works unlike the other deamon primarchs

Where can you find these statlines? In IA books?

they do not exist... Thats why we are making them

WS - 7
BS - 7
S - 6 (7-10)
T - 7
W - 6
I - 6
A - 3 (4-7)
LD - 10
Sv - 2+/3++

Special Rules: Monstrous creature, Changelings aura, Deamonic anchor
Wargear: The gaze of Tzeentch, Deamon weapon (name?)

Changelings aura: When ever a model wounds Magnus in close combat (even if he makes his save) roll a dice, on a 1 that model is turned into a chaos spawn.

Deamonic anchor: Any unit of Tzeentch demons with a model within 6" of Magnus the Red has its invulnerable saves increased by 1 (5+ becomes 4+ for example) to a maximum of 3+.

The gaze of Tzeentch: Tzeentch always keeps a careful eye on his favorite minions, Magus has the Warp time power constantly, it is always in effect and cannot be taken away. (hence why i toned some stats down, Magnus wasn't the greatest fighter of the primarchs so his strength lies in his psychic abilities, which brings me to his deamon weapon...)

Deamon weapon (name?): The Tzeentch demon bound within feed off Magnus' psychic energy, in return Magnus can also draw strength from the deamon.
For every psychic power cast Magnus gains an extra attack and a +1 S modifier until the start of his next turn.

Master of forbidden lore: Magnus may cast D3+1 psychic powers a game turn (some of his energies are required to feed the demon and keep up the aura)
(Note - with the demon weapon this mean he has 4-7 attacks at strength 7-10, depending on how may powers he gets.)
Magnus can cast any power in the chaos codex with out needing to pass a psychic test.
Magnus has had 10'000 years to learn all he can about psychic powers and as such can cast ANY psychic power from any other codex, however his mastery of these powers are not total and a Ld test is required.

Now thats what im talking about . But then comes last problem... what about points?

about 500 should suffice... but best it be a multiple of 9...
so how about 495.

Although the best way would be to pick your rules and playtest them in a small apoc game/large normal game (about 3,000 points) and see what happens.

goggari wrote:they do not exist... Thats why we are making them

Nah, I meant for Angron, he said he cost like 500 points.

Oh, my bad. I usually mix up with angron and magnus.

As an old timey Epic player I think he should also have an uber bolt of Tzeentch...Epic 2nd edition Magnus had a blast that was equivalent to a Volcano Cannon IIRC.

Jack

He should have some sort of feel no pain.....But that might make him really broken.....

dayve110 wrote:
Magnus has had 10'000 years to learn all he can about psychic powers and as such can cast ANY psychic power from any other codex, however his mastery of these powers are not total and a Ld test is required.

Hmmm...doesn't this mean he could use Ork powers and use the one which lets the orks WAAAAAGH! ? Not that he would want to, just wondered if there should be some sort of limit to what powers he can use. Like only powers from Space Marine codexes (maybe not Space Wolves for obvious reasons) and Daemon/Chaos ability powers

Check the new model for daemon prince: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490603&prodId=prod860026a I think those bits can make magnus (and little greenstuff).

anyone?

Givem a staff and maybe a cloak and i'd be happy xD

But doesnt most pictures show an axe?

um i don't see any axes only 1 sword and what looks like a tiny pistol/axe. I guess you could just make your own or see if GW sell oversized staffs lol

well... there is an axe. But anyways its good model to build magnus, right?