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He's my best mate. I'm constantly pointing out new things to try and stuff. To be honest he's had a certain amount of bad luck in our games. Blew up his general twice on miscasts. Lost a lvl 2 mage in my first turn of shooting, twice. My war machines are really reliable for some reason. In all our games I've only had 2 blow up..

It might help to know that this was a rage post after I, for lack of a better word, smashed his army with mortars and a couple of grapeshots from cannons (a 20 strong SM unit down to 3 and 20 spears down to 8 in 3 turns).

Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying seeing my army actually do some good out there but I also want his to be successful.

I'm not new to Warhammer, but I'm still getting used to battling as I just used to collect. So saying I deserve to lose is a bit harsh don't you think?
And yes, I am still working out all the kinks, which is exactly why I came to Dakka to ask if anyone could help me. I'm going to rewrite my list now, and hopefully someone can help me out and show me what I can add in it to help instead of saying I deserve to lose.
Ps, warmachines have T7, so good luck shooting at them with S3 bows Ragnar -.-

kastellan wrote:I'm not new to Warhammer, but I'm still getting used to battling as I just used to collect. So saying I deserve to lose is a bit harsh don't you think?
And yes, I am still working out all the kinks, which is exactly why I came to Dakka to ask if anyone could help me. I'm going to rewrite my list now, and hopefully someone can help me out and show me what I can add in it to help instead of saying I deserve to lose.
Ps, warmachines have T7, so good luck shooting at them with S3 bows Ragnar -.-

I did not say you deserved to lose. I said that I was not saying your friend should not lose deliberately to you when I asked him to give you pointers and such.
Also try a bolt thrower or scouts against them, I found that my DE shades work best. If they don't do the job at least they tie them up for a few turns.

Ragnar4 wrote:
If you're marching into the teeth of your opponents guns. You deserve to lose IMO.

He wasn't taking to you syanticraven =)

I see, I see my apologies good man.

To be honest hes going to struggle at 1500 points if you played a 2k point game where he can use teclis he then has a slightly better chance. Empire can be more dominant in the magic phase/dispel phase for alot cheaper than high elfs, they totally outshoot them and can have nice horde blocks or steadfast blocks for the price of 20 weak elfs.

I wouldnt quit high elfs just play someone with out mortars =).

Lol see the problem is he's my best mate, so it's easy to organise a game against him.

Buy some chaos warriors =)

haha I've suggested the same thing. The guy who runs our FLGS plays VC so shooting isn't a worry and he's offered to go through some different tactics that he could use whilst also giving him a chance to play something completely different to Empire.

Archmage
Lore of Life
Level 4
Folariath’s Robe
Silver Wand
315pts

Noble
Heavy Armour
Great Weapon
Temakador’s Gauntlets
127pts

Mage
High Magic
Level 2
135pts

20 Spearmen
Standard
190pts

20 Spearmen
Standard
190pts

19 Phoenix Guard
Keeper of the Flame
Standard
309pts

14 Swordmasters
Bladelord
Standard
234pts

I know you all said get some eagles but I dunno how to cut down on anything to get them. Some help please? Lol.

Drop the swordmasters and level 2 wizard.

You gotta think like your an empire mortar crewman, do i kill the close combat monsters charging at me (swordmasters) or weak spearmen. They both die extremely fast i think swordmasters should stay at home against any gunline.

kastellan wrote:
19 Phoenix Guard
Keeper of the Flame
Standard
309pts

14 Swordmasters
Bladelord
Standard
234pts

I know you all said get some eagles but I dunno how to cut down on anything to get them. Some help please? Lol.

Cut one of those units to increase the other unit and then add 2 eagles and if enough points are left over a small unit or archers/Bolt thrower or even some reavers or scouts.
Pick which one you like better.

I would also advise you keep the lvl 2 and give it the silver wand instead of the lv4. I also here that Lore of Life may not be the best lore for you to go for, that shadow or heavens was better for you.

Hes wasting 1/3 of his points on 2 mages that need to pray they roll good for the winds of magic, as i said empire spend 240 points for lvl 4 wizard with rod of power and will shut down your magic unless you roll very well.

bennyboy6189 wrote:Hes wasting 1/3 of his points on 2 mages that need to pray they roll good for the winds of magic, as i said empire spend 240 points for lvl 4 wizard with rod of power and will shut down your magic unless you roll very well.

I am advising him on my belief that he will not just be playing against empire. There is also the chance of Irresistible force, although that can go very wrong.
Plus if he can then kill said wizard his magic game is afoot again.

kastellan wrote:
Ps, warmachines have T7, so good luck shooting at them with S3 bows Ragnar -.-

Check your rule book. str 3 wound t7 on a 6.. All of his war-machines have 3 wounds. Therefore, you only need on average 18 hits to get 3 wounds

I'm totally unaffected if you want to dismiss what I have to say. You just keep right on marching towards his cannons and letting them grapshot you to death.. cool?

His warmachines are probably at the far side and at the back of the table edge, at a guess.

Well, if he wants a magic phase he could easily take a level 4 Archmage with the Book of Hoeth. No amount of dispel dice will shut that down.

I would also drop the Swordmasters, beef up the Phoenix Guard and pick up a couple of eagles.

**Edit** Oh, put the Banner of Sorcery on your PG btw... that banner should be on EVERY High Elf list.

Lehnsherr wrote:Well, if he wants a magic phase he could easily take a level 4 Archmage with the Book of Hoeth. No amount of dispel dice will shut that down.

I would also drop the Swordmasters, beef up the Phoenix Guard and pick up a couple of eagles.

**Edit** Oh, put the Banner of Sorcery on your PG btw... that banner should be on EVERY High Elf list.

it does cost 100 points though which would negate the possibility of getting eagles or beefing up the PG
The banner of sorcery could balance it out though without need for the book.

Well, I'd get the eagles. At the 1500 point mark 20 PG should be enough.

His current level 4 costs 315, the level 4 I'd take would cost 360. Add in the banner of sorcery (50 points) and you are lookin at 95 more points.

Dropping the Swordmasters nets you 139 (234-95).

At that point I'd also drop the Gauntlets and Heavy armour on his Noble, and instead take Armour of Caledor and a Guardian Phoenix.

Noble would now cost 143 instead of 127, and he would have the points from the Swordmaster change

The reason I'd take the book is it makes his magic phase that much more scary. With average rolls he is looking at 9 dice per magic phase. Thats very likely that he is casting at least 2 spells with IF every phase.

zeekill wrote:Take minimum core with sea guard and then teclis with lore of light (6 dice pha's protection every turn) and 2-3 units of pheonex guard. Then laugh as you easily walk up the field unharmed.

Sadly pha's protection isn't as effective as you may think, as shown here. And to think that all the warmachine empire gunlines use are actually stone throwers or cannons.

Personally, I find 15 PG enough at this points level. Dropping 4 PG nets you enough points to get at least one Great Eagle.

Again, though. The thing that'll help you most is deploying and advancing in shallow and wide formations until right before you get to the enemy lines. This will help 'minimize' losses from every mortar blast or cannon shot.

i would use something fast.
reavers and eagles.
(shadow warriors simply do not worth it)
your swordmasters are just free points for an empire gunline.
put more phoinix guard instead.
use the reavers and eagles to kill the crews while your phoinix guard will slowly closing in.
the book of hoeth is worth it depending on the lore.
you could use life yes but you could also use shadow. one miasma and a pit of shades and BOOM what warmachine??
as far as core is concerned..
you could use archers in order to fire with longbows at his units or use a combination with a lvl 2 mage that uses high magic.
spells one and two. use the shield to protect some of your vunrlable units and the curse to increase your hits.
bolts do not worth their points.

Sorry I haven't posted in a while, had exams last week so didn't have much time. So I went away and decided to write up a 2000 point list. This list was mainly to include a dragon in my army, coz I love the army and would love to use it lol. So here it is:

Teclis / 475

Dragon Mage of Caledor / 350

20 Spearmen / Banner 190

20 Spearmen / Banner 190

16 Swordmasters / Banner, Bladelord 264

19 Phoenix Guard / Banner, Keeper of the Flame 309

2 Great Eagles / 100

Repeater Bolt Thrower / 100

Will this list be any competitive? Lol.

25% core. Think you're a little shy by my count. Aprrox 120 odd points?

Oh yeah haha. Damn.

If you got teclis, the dragon mage will do little other than channel and get hit by cannons, if your lucky and go 1st he may make it out of his deployment zone(advise based upon him playing empire, which he said he plays most often)

Yeah with teclis either get a lv2 mage (not needed) or a BSB if you can afford a cheap one

The reason I chose the dragon is coz I just love the model and want an excuse the put it in there haha. If I didn't end up taking Teclis I'd probs put a Prince on a dragon and get 2 level 2 mages. Which would be better? Having Teclis and a Dragon Mage or having a Prince on draagon and 2 level 2 mages?

Teclis. He is the best mage in the game and he damn well makes sure you know it.

Haha that's awesome. He has no protection whatsoever though..