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DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

Codex Eldar.

So many Howling Banshees are in fact cross-dressers. Interesting.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So many Howling Banshees are in fact cross-dressers. Interesting.

Aspect Warriors are cross-personalities anyway. You're just drawing a line in a human way, not an eldar way. An Eldar in their Aspect Warrior gear is basically a different person.

Yeah, a chick.

All known Eldar and Dark Eldar uniforms are gender specific, no reason to assume that male Banshees wear female cloths.

Kroothawk wrote:All known Eldar and Dark Eldar uniforms are gender specific, no reason to assume that male Banshees wear female cloths.

Except for the stuff that explicitly states they do you mean?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
So many Howling Banshees are in fact cross-dressers. Interesting.

Aspect Warriors are cross-personalities anyway. You're just drawing a line in a human way, not an eldar way. An Eldar in their Aspect Warrior gear is basically a different person.

Yeah, a chick.

Codex Eldar and many other sources clearly states that Eldar that walk the Path of the Warrior, use their armour as a pyscological shield, they create a seperate personality linked to that aspect (an Eldar who follows the Banshee aspect uses a banshee peronality in battle) that is 'activated' when an Eldar goes through the rituals of putting on the armour.

This acts as a shield, allowing the Eldar to perform acts of great violence without it transfering into their normal lives. You seem to be missing an important point, you cannot compare humans (or their mentality) to Eldar, it wouldbe similar to comparing the emotional needs of a potato to that of a human.

Eldar don't particularly distinguish between the genders, especially not the Dark Eldar. I would imagine there is some.

If male howling banshees cross dress, it would be incredibly akward for one to lose themselves on that path...

Male HB exarch: "Tons of aspects out there and I just happen to lose myself on the one where I have to dress as a chick. I could of been a striking scorpion, or a swooping hawk flying around, but nooo I decided to explore my gender identity..."

Awkward in the sense that it would be awkward if the Eldar cared about such things as gender-roles and gender-distinctions, as we humans seem to be hung up on. The Eldar, however, probably don't.

Psienesis wrote:Awkward in the sense that it would be awkward if the Eldar cared about such things as gender-roles and gender-distinctions, as we humans seem to be hung up on. The Eldar, however, probably don't.

Right on sir!

Although when hearing an ear spliting scream then seeing some blood crazed women running at you with a power sword i doubt anyone will be considering if it's a man under there

Well, interesting topic... If Kroothawk's image is legitimate from GW which I'm going to say sure it is in trust. I would have to say sure you could do it the same as that model but I will throw this idea out there as well. If you do so, then I would keep a helmet on the model you really don't know what GW was doing in that picture presented by Kroothawk for all you know there are Transvestites running around that just need a more except-able breastplate. Ether way though, that helmet is on male / female / both / other dosen't matter going by GW's presented look.
Now to be a bit more liberal in thinking, If you would stretch it to removing the helmet with female facial qualities I would say people need to read the entry(pg.37 lines 5-10)

Haemonculi specialise in body modification and alteration, and they delight in getting their claws into fresh new subjects. Perhaps their client fancies barbed quills upon his shoulders, the scaled face of a snake, or to have his eyes replaced by those of a Viridian wraithspider- no request is too bizarre for these inhuman surgeons.

So they definitely have some options, Though reading the entries under Incubi there are a lot of ' His ' ' He ' sayings and no ' They ' ' Their' ... Though considering Wyches and the mix of male and female model's in the low sections. Sure they're aren't any male Hex's or Succubi but they are in the grouping. So I don't see why Incubi wouldn't do the same. The difference between the two game wise is there job. One is an Arena Entertainer the other is a body guard. Lets say for a second your doing one of those 'Drow' trend armies then accurately by drow ideology all female's should be the incubi and the male's should be the Wyches. I can see the reasoning behind a lot of people's thinking you can justify fluff in a few ways and go the opposite reading another section (Like Incubi / Haemonucli reads.) I would say in the end its up to you how you want to do it but... anything is possible its only a limit on how we restrain ourselves and why fluff wise is a restraint in some instances. But fluff can be justified within itself too like the Haemonculi entry.

-Sincerely Viri

Viridian wrote:If you do so, then I would keep a helmet on the model

The helmet is absolutely imperative to Aspect Warriors. They almost don't exist without their hat on. There's a lengthy story either in the Compendium or C:E 2nd about this.

PS Incubi are still basically Aspect Warriors.

Why are people still posting in this thread. The answear has been given.

because we so SILLY

Addressing a point mentioned up above...

In English writing, the use of the pronoun "he", "his", etc. is acceptable for indicating both male-specific situations ("Bob drove his car to the store") as well as general, gender-non-specific situations ("Anyone who wants to, may drive his car to the store").

This is changing, somewhat, in the modern era, and some companies (White Wolf in particular) have been particularly "edgy" by using feminine pronouns (she, her, hers) as the gender-nonspecific, general usage pronoun.

Proper English still indicates the male pronoun as acceptable in general usage, however.

Thanks to this thread, I now have the understanding that Howling Banshees are supposed to be female.

Psienesis wrote:Proper English still indicates the male pronoun as acceptable in general usage, however.

Used English, meanwhile, tends toward "they" as the gender nonspecific pronoun in both singular and plural use, pissing off people who pay too much attention to 17th century prescriptivists.

Yes, casual English does. I don't think the Codices and BL novels are written in 'casual" English, though.

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Thats just creepie.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Eldar don't particularly distinguish between the genders, especially not the Dark Eldar. I would imagine there is some.

At least now we know why the eldar rarely reproduce they can't tell each other apart.

Or perhaps why it takes "multiple couplings"...

... they're not sleeping with the same person each time, but, totally unawares, they just "get lucky" to find a member of the opposite gender one night.

AFAIK the old 3 boxed reaver set had a metal male reaver succubus torso.

Yes, but since the all female Banshees allow males to join, there's no reason why the Incubi would forbid female membership.

Oriallis wrote:If male howling banshees cross dress, it would be incredibly akward for one to lose themselves on that path...

Male HB exarch: "Tons of aspects out there and I just happen to lose myself on the one where I have to dress as a chick. I could of been a striking scorpion, or a swooping hawk flying around, but nooo I decided to explore my gender identity..."

This made me lol

Psienesis wrote:Or perhaps why it takes "multiple couplings"...

... they're not sleeping with the same person each time, but, totally unawares, they just "get lucky" to find a member of the opposite gender one night.

'Path of the Seer' suggests otherwise. The protagonist's

Keep in mind, of course, that what we see in 'Path of the Warrior' also suggests that casual sex between two people in a relationship that's largely "friends with benefits" is also common (it doesn't actually happen, but the offer is extended at one point). So both promiscuity and monogamy are present in Craftworld Eldar society.

Ya a lot of the models aren't gender diverse because GW doesn't produce half male half female.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

In Path of the Warrior, two genders train together but they are not all wearing male costumes simply because Arhra who invented the aspect was male. There is nothing to support that statement in the book.

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

Codex Eldar.

Page and paragraph?

iirc, Gav Thorpe at one point stated that he'd intended that the Young King in 'Path of the Warrior' be a male Banshee exarch, but GW shot the idea down.

I might be misremembering, though...


I think I've seen comments that suggest all Banshee armor has molded breasts regardless of the gender of the individual inside. But I don't recall seeing anything to indicate that male Banshees actually think of themselves as females while wearing their mask. iirc, the aspect of the Banshee is an "Avenging Fury" aspect (correct me if I'm wrong...), and that's what Howling Banshees are supposed to embody. There's nothing inherently female about that ("Hell hath no fury..." aside...), so without a page reference and quote I'd be disinclined to believe that Howling Banshees who are physically male think of themselves as female while under the aspect.

At the very least, we've seen nothing to suggest that any of the other aspects have a defined gender role. The Scorpions in 'Path of the Warrior' certainly didn't seem to see themselves in that fashion.

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I see Succubi be similiar to Howling Banshees. Technically Eldar don't care about gender except they do have their female only Castes.

Incorrect. There are male Howling Banshees, there are female other aspects. Gender identity is a part of the aspect. When they assume that aspect, they assume that identity as well. The armor is shaped like a gender, the eldar inside may not be. Only Dire Avengers are a split-gender aspect.

Source?

Codex Eldar.

Which Edition?