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Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Extremely wishful thinking?

Do remember that the downloadable copy is at least one month old. Stuff might or can happen pretty quick in the days leading up to the printers deadline.

According to the pdf you get one per inquisitor, and they don't take up a slot.

However, if you take the cheap Vanilla Dreadnought priced Coteaz, they become troops.

Also Coteaz is now what the mystics were in the old codex, but he also works against anything coming in from reserve within 12" (outflank, opponent's table edge...)

And to settle the debate we had in the previous thread, GK can NOT use Chimeras. ONLY Inquisitors and Inquisitorial Henchmen can use them. So your GK will be stuck in their Rhinos, Razorbacks, Stormravens and Land Raiders.

Thats the thing; with Coteaz you can get the 9 squads in 9 Chimeras if they don't count; all with meltas. Isn't that a bit much?

Dysartes wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Extremely wishful thinking?

Extremely, extremely wishful thinking, I'd say. Based on the wording in the codex, it seems pretty clear Coteaz's rule overwrites the Warband's for FOC placement and Inquisitor restriction.

Whoever was asking, the Stormraven does have The Aegis.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Because if it doesn't take up a slot; its going to lead to the mother of all cheesy lists.

See the 3-man Retinue squads with Razorbacks/Chimeras.

The way it seems to read though is that you require an Inquisitor for 'each' unit of henchman. Unless you take Cortez, then they are taken as troops. So it doesn't appear that unlimited amounts are possible.

OMFG!!

"For each inquisitor in your army you may also include a unit of 3-12 henchmen, chosen in any combination"

Death-Cult Assassins - now only have Uncanny Reflexes (5+ invulnerable save)
No More - Independent
No More - Fearless
No More - Inflitrate
No More FUN!!

Henchmen as one big retinue? so like, you get an inquisitor and he can have a platoon or something?

I was hoping to still be able to have it be more squad based, like you have your HQ inquisitor, up to 6 units of stormtroopers or guardsmen or whatever.. I guess I'm just looking for an alternate way to play my guard army by using my same guardsmen troop models, but throwing in inquisitors and other goodies instead of leman russ spam

Yep, that seems the most plausible explanation. And Henchmen can get heavy weapons very cheaply. Not IG-level cheap, but cheap enough that you won't mind when they inevitably blow themselves up with plasma guns

Sadly Necros, allies rules are totally gone. Nary a whiff of them left. So sadly, unless your opponent agrees to it, Inquisitors are off-limits to Guard.

Arander wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Because if it doesn't take up a slot; its going to lead to the mother of all cheesy lists.

See the 3-man Retinue squads with Razorbacks/Chimeras.

The way it seems to read though is that you require an Inquisitor for 'each' unit of henchman. Unless you take Cortez, then they are taken as troops. So it doesn't appear that unlimited amounts are possible.

Yeah, but the cheese list takes Coteaz as its HQ; unlocking the choice. Take your obligatory 2 Grey Knight troops. Fill the rest of the points with 3-man Retinue squads with transports.

So, on the Paladin squad:

Are we assuming a Nemesis warding stave is an improved PF+SS?

Also, I hope they get the ability to take a LR dedicated transport.

Seems like the assertion is correct: Max of 6 Henchmen units. It simply says that it makes them troops and removes the limit per number of inquisitors.

Like that Coteaz is a Mystic (12" bubble) and that he can re-roll the Sieze the Initiative, even if it is your enemy rolling it.

Grakmar: As far as I can see, the armoury stuff isn't in this copy, so I can't tell you either way. I CAN tell you, however, that the codex doesn't rule out LR transports for them.

Not having the armoury pages is a little annoying. I'm really interested to see what the nemesis weapons do, as well as psycannons, psybolt ammunition, etc...

Wow, Dreadknights are a lot cheaper than I thought they'd be.

I know, it's a pain in the back side seeing all these lovely big upgrades but not knowing what they actually do.

Puma: Cripes, I just noticed that when you pointed it out. That is scary cheap.

puma713 wrote:Seems like the assertion is correct: Max of 6 Henchmen units. It simply says that it makes them troops and removes the limit per number of inquisitors.

Like that Coteaz is a Mystic (12" bubble) and that he can re-roll the Sieze the Initiative, even if it is your enemy rolling it.

So they count as troops (with regards to slots) thanks to Coteaz? I can begin to like this codex alot now if true.

Yep, the rule states that absolutely Coteaz makes Henchmen troops.

Mr Hyena wrote:

puma713 wrote:Seems like the assertion is correct: Max of 6 Henchmen units. It simply says that it makes them troops and removes the limit per number of inquisitors.

Like that Coteaz is a Mystic (12" bubble) and that he can re-roll the Sieze the Initiative, even if it is your enemy rolling it.

So they count as troops (with regards to slots) thanks to Coteaz? I can begin to like this codex alot now if true.

Doesn't look like they count as troops, they actually ARE troop choices. So no terminators or GK squads if you take all Henchman. But it does let you build a really nice Inquisitorial force from what I'm reading, which is way cool.

Arander, it doesn't bar GK as troops. So you can actually mix them!

(Wow, I'm doing a LOT of posting tonight )

Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Because if it doesn't take up a slot; its going to lead to the mother of all cheesy lists.

See the 3-man Retinue squads with Razorbacks/Chimeras.

To be as hint-ish as possible without being too specific: Henchmen don't take a ForceOrg slot the same way Tyrant Guard don't take a ForceOrg slot. If you buy a Tyrant, you are allowed to buy ONE unit of Tyrant Guard. If you buy two Tyrants, you can buy TWO units of Tyrant Guard. Otherwise, you can't buy Tyrant Guard. The same goes for Inquisitors and Henchmen.

Paladins don't have a Dedicated Transport entry. And none of the LRs are in the Dedicated Transport section, to whoever was musing about transports.

Check that: None of the terminators have a dedicated transport entry.

Any info on what the Dreadknight's weapons do?

Nope, Leenus, we don't have the armoury pages, so no-one knows.

Mr Hyena wrote:Thats the thing; with Coteaz you can get the 9 squads in 9 Chimeras if they don't count; all with meltas. Isn't that a bit much?

No, not at all. GW would love for you to buy all that!

...This is a GW book and they've made a rule that could result in a lot of disallowed sales.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY, INFORM THE PRESSES!



Nah, I kid. As far as I can tell, Henchmen squads are limited to 6 with Coteaz.

Absolutionis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Mr Hyena wrote:Hmm...

On the basis of the wording so far I'll rule it as Henchmen do take a slot.

Its more balanced that way (no 1,000,000 Razorbacks/Chimeras) and it means also pure =I= is possible. Much fairer.

"This unit does not use up a force organisation slot." I don't see how that can be interpreted with any sort of ambiguity.

Because if it doesn't take up a slot; its going to lead to the mother of all cheesy lists.

See the 3-man Retinue squads with Razorbacks/Chimeras.

To be as hint-ish as possible without being too specific: Henchmen don't take a ForceOrg slot the same way Tyrant Guard don't take a ForceOrg slot. If you buy a Tyrant, you are allowed to buy ONE unit of Tyrant Guard. If you buy two Tyrants, you can buy TWO units of Tyrant Guard. Otherwise, you can't buy Tyrant Guard. The same goes for Inquisitors and Henchmen.

Except for Coteaz, who removes that. (Who I am converting into a Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor dammit. I will do it or SOMEONE WILL BURN)

I'm gonna go with him, some Elite Inquisitors, my 6 Henchmen squads, an Assassin and chimeras. Lovely army.

I totally want the jokeaero ape model someone posted in the rumours thread awhile back, clinging to a pole while holding a bolter and a boltgun in it's hand and foot. LOVE IT, I hope they're a real unit just for that reason! haha!

edit: I play space wolves but i still want to see these monkeys on the table!

here's a link to the reaper mini store where you can buy one for only 7 bucks:

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/chronoscope/sku-up/50214