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Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldar used to be able to think about a star being snuffed out and it would happen. There isn't a single human in existence than can do that. Not even the Emperor. Why would they even give a thought to humans? To the Eldar mind humans are simply a plague on the galaxy similar to the way the Imperium thinks of Orks.

I have a feeling the whole, 'I think that star should be destroyed' "KA-BOOM" was what you called a figure of speech.

If any race had that kind of power, the Necrontyr and the Old Ones would have trashed the galaxy a long time ago.

Nope, it wasn't a figure of speech. They really had that kind of power.

On the back of the Eldar codex it states " The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still dare oppose our will"

Farseer Mirehn Biellann said that.

Also from the Dark Eldar codex it states this when talking about the kabal of the dying sun:

"The kabal's wild claims that they retain the ability to extinguish stars are infamous, though their rivals have never quite managed to explain the deterioration of the sun Echillos during the Aleuthan Persecution."

Sounds to me like it's more than a figure of speech. Sounds more like they actually did have that power.

Also, in codex Eldar it states this on page 3:

"These are the Eldar, a race that is all but extinct, the last remnants of a people whose mere dreams once overturned worlds and quenched suns"

Sure. I'm not disputing they had the power to do it.

I'm disputing that it takes a 'thought'.

Heck, even Abbadon wheeled a Planet Killer around, and he's considerably less sophisticated than the Eldar. I've got no doubt the Eldar used to have Wraithbone Death Stars or whatever.

However, to reiterate, I doubt it was a case of thinking to oneself, 'I dislike that star' and watching it blow up. Some sort of technical machinery would have been required, and it would have had to be sufficiently complex and rare enough to not be a regular thing, because
a) if it was that easy, they'd be mass producing the things that blow stars today, and
b) if it was that easy, the Old Ones and C'Tan would have wrecked the universe a long time ago.

Ketara wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldar used to be able to think about a star being snuffed out and it would happen. There isn't a single human in existence than can do that. Not even the Emperor. Why would they even give a thought to humans? To the Eldar mind humans are simply a plague on the galaxy similar to the way the Imperium thinks of Orks.

I have a feeling the whole, 'I think that star should be destroyed' "KA-BOOM" was what you called a figure of speech.

If any race had that kind of power, the Necrontyr and the Old Ones would have trashed the galaxy a long time ago.

Nope, it wasn't a figure of speech. They really had that kind of power.

On the back of the Eldar codex it states " The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still dare oppose our will"

Farseer Mirehn Biellann said that.

Also from the Dark Eldar codex it states this when talking about the kabal of the dying sun:

"The kabal's wild claims that they retain the ability to extinguish stars are infamous, though their rivals have never quite managed to explain the deterioration of the sun Echillos during the Aleuthan Persecution."

Sounds to me like it's more than a figure of speech. Sounds more like they actually did have that power.

Also, in codex Eldar it states this on page 3:

"These are the Eldar, a race that is all but extinct, the last remnants of a people whose mere dreams once overturned worlds and quenched suns"

Sure. I'm not disputing they had the power to do it.

I'm disputing that it takes a 'thought'.

Heck, even Abbadon wheeled a Planet Killer around, and he's considerably less sophisticated than the Eldar. I've got no doubt the Eldar used to have Wraithbone Death Stars or whatever.

However, to reiterate, I doubt it was a case of thinking to oneself, 'I dislike that star' and watching it blow up. Some sort of technical machinery would have been required, and it would have had to be sufficiently complex and rare enough to not be a regular thing, because
a) if it was that easy, they'd be mass producing the things that blow stars today, and
b) if it was that easy, the Old Ones and C'Tan would have wrecked the universe a long time ago.

Can't Ctan destroy stars by eating them?

Can't Ctan destroy stars by eating them?

That's a bit different. IIRC, C'Tan in their unbound diffused natural state soak up the energy from stars over a period of time until they basically explode and burn out earlier than they would of done. I don't believe its an instantaneous process.

yeah, the Necrontyr actually found the C'tan because they were eating their sun. all the C'tan were feeding on 1 star(there used to be lots of C'tan) so they don't do it instantainously.

Ketara wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldar used to be able to think about a star being snuffed out and it would happen. There isn't a single human in existence than can do that. Not even the Emperor. Why would they even give a thought to humans? To the Eldar mind humans are simply a plague on the galaxy similar to the way the Imperium thinks of Orks.

I have a feeling the whole, 'I think that star should be destroyed' "KA-BOOM" was what you called a figure of speech.

If any race had that kind of power, the Necrontyr and the Old Ones would have trashed the galaxy a long time ago.

Nope, it wasn't a figure of speech. They really had that kind of power.

On the back of the Eldar codex it states " The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, and yet you still dare oppose our will"

Farseer Mirehn Biellann said that.

Also from the Dark Eldar codex it states this when talking about the kabal of the dying sun:

"The kabal's wild claims that they retain the ability to extinguish stars are infamous, though their rivals have never quite managed to explain the deterioration of the sun Echillos during the Aleuthan Persecution."

Sounds to me like it's more than a figure of speech. Sounds more like they actually did have that power.

Also, in codex Eldar it states this on page 3:

"These are the Eldar, a race that is all but extinct, the last remnants of a people whose mere dreams once overturned worlds and quenched suns"

Sure. I'm not disputing they had the power to do it.

I'm disputing that it takes a 'thought'.

Heck, even Abbadon wheeled a Planet Killer around, and he's considerably less sophisticated than the Eldar. I've got no doubt the Eldar used to have Wraithbone Death Stars or whatever.

However, to reiterate, I doubt it was a case of thinking to oneself, 'I dislike that star' and watching it blow up. Some sort of technical machinery would have been required, and it would have had to be sufficiently complex and rare enough to not be a regular thing, because
a) if it was that easy, they'd be mass producing the things that blow stars today, and
b) if it was that easy, the Old Ones and C'Tan would have wrecked the universe a long time ago.

The last line in my last post actually comes from the eldar book as an explanation of them, not a hyperbole sentence. They were that psychically powerful before the fall. However, you are probably right as all their tech is psychically based. I also wouldn't be surprised if any soul powerful enough to do that was immediately consumed by slaanesh on the day of his birth.

Mordoskul wrote:"The Astartes? Not but overgrown apes sporting crude weapons and armor. They lack the grace and wisdom of the Eldar. To us, they are deformed monsters, creatures formed in mon'keigh labs in an effort to overcome the frailties of Man. A noble, but ultimately futile pursuit. Their armor makes them slow, easy prey for the Banshee and the Scorpion. Their brutality makes them predictable, simple for the Seer to snip their threads with a thought. Their vehicles are cumbersome, no match for a Brightlance or Starcannon. Who are they to such as we? We have fought Chaos before their hopeless race crawled out of the sea."

How very in character Love the unforgotten realms DP, Im yet to meet anyone else who liked realms its a pity the show got cancelled :(

Brother Coa wrote:Eldar are afraid of Human Inquisition. As we can see that in their response from hearing the news about Exterminatus.
Some of them respect the Space Marines ( like Ulthwe and Biel-Tan ). Other's think of them like monkeys ( big mistake ).

Eldar are not afraid of the Human Inquisition any more than you are afraid of a moth in your closet. The news of Exterminatus does not strike fear into the heart of the Eldar the way you think it does. The act of Exterminatus is just another form of brutality from the humans that the Eldar find appalling. The idea that the humans would be ignorant enough to destroy a world just because they can't claim it as their own is what really gets the Eldar mad.

Why? Because humans have settled Maiden Worlds that the Eldar took thousands of years to terra form and now they have polluted them. When the Eldar come to claim them, the last thing they want is the Inquisition to try to Exterminate the world because then the Eldar would have to start over. And that takes a while as you can imagine.

And none of the Eldar respect the Space Marines. Nor any other human in the galaxy. Proof of this is here: " Some of you call us your allies. you are not allies, any more than a butcher's knife is his ally. You are tools, nothing more. To be used and expended to protect our race, that is your fate. Your kind think you are so magnificent. Yet even now, at the nadir of our power, we can manipulate you, turn you to our ends as easily as you might pull a trigger and fire a gun. Our time will come again, Eldrad has promised us. Once more you upstart mon-keigh shall kneel before our power! This time we will not be so lenient! We will exterminate you. Every world, every vessel, every one of you! Eldrad has seen the stars stained red with your blood and it pleases him! You think us weak, but we will be your doom, children of earth!"

Interrogation of captured Eldar Ranger Prisoner no. 28264 Prisoner awaiting termination from Codex eldar 3rd edition.

And thats from Ulthwe...a craftworld you claim respects the Space Marines.

And here's a quote from the Biel-Tan Swordwind entry in Codex Eldar 4th edition page 16: "The warriors of Biel-Tan care not, for to them all other races are usurpers to be culled without mercy"

I think there are definitely a few select humans who have the respect of the Eldar; Czevak for example must have been held in pretty high regard to have been allowed into the Black Library, and Ravenor seemed to have worked together with the Eldar in the last book of the Eisenhorn trilogy. I'm sure there are individual marines they respect as well (outside of the crap Goto wrote), but on a large scale they see them as just bigger and stronger humans.

I think so. They certainly respected Alpharius and Omegon.

My aren't there a lot of SM fanboys in this thread, and some with alarmingly juvenile senses of humor at that..

The eldar know that the Space marines are tough, strong and so forth. They are not 'genius levels of intellect' by eldar standards necessarily though. By human standards they may be smarter, and certainly better at processing information, but genius isn't that hard to attain. A lot of people top the 170 or so IQ that rates as genius.

By eldar standards humans are xenophobic, crude and unsubtle lunatics using technology that the eldar outgrew eons ago. They are thought of in much the same way that you might think of the survivalist down the street who drives around your neighbourhood with a loaded uzi.

The last time humanity attacked an Eldar (plural: Eldar btw not eldars) Craftworld they lost a whole sector fleet doing it, with no lasting damage to the craftworld. The eldar may be fading, but they are far from helpless.

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I find it unlikely that Space Marines even manage to rival the average hive ganger in intellect. They're deformed, acid drooling mutants whose idea of "brilliant tactics" is "Step 1) land a dozen marines near some enemies; step 2) stand in the open screaming and shooting at random objects; step 3) claim responsibility for the victory won by the hundred thousand guardsmen fighting in the actual battles".

Here is what stupid people in the Imperium have to say about the Eldar:

" Perfidious Eldar! These aliens had the stars in their grasp and now are left to sift the dust of their once fabulous realm. For all their intellect and mysticism they could not contain the beast within them, nor tame the wild monsters of the Shadow. Why should we pay them any heed? "

Grundwald, ordo xenos

Here's what smart people in the Imperium have to say about Eldar

"...Make no mistake, the Eldar still wield sufficient power to seriously contest the right and proper expansion of the Emperor's servants to the goal of utter dominance of the galaxy. It is only by concentrated will and faith in the Immortal Emperor that we shall overcome them.."

Inquisitor Czevak, Teachings on the Unholy


Here's what stupid Eldar have to say about Humans

"We bring only death, and leave only carrion. It is a message even a human can understand."

Reqhiel of the Sons of Fuegan


Here's what smart Eldar have to say about Humans

Eldrad is the greatest among us....He knows your affairs better than you do. He warned that weakling seer you call Emperor of the treachery of Horus and the strife which would engulf us, just as it engulfed the rest of the galaxy, but your arrogance deafened you to his words. Your stupidity almost destroyed the galaxy, yet you never knew how close the forces of light were to our ultimate defeat...

Interrogation of captured Eldar Ranger Prisoner no 28264 prisoner awaiting execution.

MandalorynOranj wrote:I think there are definitely a few select humans who have the respect of the Eldar; Czevak for example must have been held in pretty high regard to have been allowed into the Black Library, and Ravenor seemed to have worked together with the Eldar in the last book of the Eisenhorn trilogy. I'm sure there are individual marines they respect as well (outside of the crap Goto wrote), but on a large scale they see them as just bigger and stronger humans.

Yeah, but I think Cevak was only given information that the Eldar wanted to see spread amongst human elites to serve their own purposes. The same goes for Ravenor, you can bet his knowledge came from an exchange of some kind. They didn't just do it because he was cool with Yriel.

If anything, I think humans would usually elicit extra special disdain from Eldar because we fall into the uncanny valley.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Eldar are afraid of Human Inquisition. As we can see that in their response from hearing the news about Exterminatus.
Some of them respect the Space Marines ( like Ulthwe and Biel-Tan ). Other's think of them like monkeys ( big mistake ).

Eldar are not afraid of the Human Inquisition any more than you are afraid of a moth in your closet. The news of Exterminatus does not strike fear into the heart of the Eldar the way you think it does. The act of Exterminatus is just another form of brutality from the humans that the Eldar find appalling. The idea that the humans would be ignorant enough to destroy a world just because they can't claim it as their own is what really gets the Eldar mad.

Why? Because humans have settled Maiden Worlds that the Eldar took thousands of years to terra form and now they have polluted them. When the Eldar come to claim them, the last thing they want is the Inquisition to try to Exterminate the world because then the Eldar would have to start over. And that takes a while as you can imagine.

6:24 - he looks a bit scared to me. I would be to if world I was standing is scheduled to be cleanse of all life.

And none of the Eldar respect the Space Marines. Nor any other human in the galaxy. Proof of this is here: " Some of you call us your allies. you are not allies, any more than a butcher's knife is his ally. You are tools, nothing more. To be used and expended to protect our race, that is your fate. Your kind think you are so magnificent. Yet even now, at the nadir of our power, we can manipulate you, turn you to our ends as easily as you might pull a trigger and fire a gun. Our time will come again, Eldrad has promised us. Once more you upstart mon-keigh shall kneel before our power! This time we will not be so lenient! We will exterminate you. Every world, every vessel, every one of you! Eldrad has seen the stars stained red with your blood and it pleases him! You think us weak, but we will be your doom, children of earth!"

Interrogation of captured Eldar Ranger Prisoner no. 28264 Prisoner awaiting termination from Codex eldar 3rd edition.

And thats from Ulthwe...a craftworld you claim respects the Space Marines.

And here's a quote from the Biel-Tan Swordwind entry in Codex Eldar 4th edition page 16: "The warriors of Biel-Tan care not, for to them all other races are usurpers to be culled without mercy"

And Eldar are the most idiotic race in 40k. Instead of Helping Humans in stoping Chaos and retreving their maden worlds - they are set up to destroy them?
They do realize that right now Humanity is the only thing standing before Chaos and the galaxy?


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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:I find it unlikely that Space Marines even manage to rival the average hive ganger in intellect. They're deformed, acid drooling mutants whose idea of "brilliant tactics" is "Step 1) land a dozen marines near some enemies; step 2) stand in the open screaming and shooting at random objects; step 3) claim responsibility for the victory won by the hundred thousand guardsmen fighting in the actual battles".

And then come the Ultramarines with their leader Calgar and tear down your statement that SM are nothing more than stupid pricks in power armor...

'And Eldar are the most idiotic race in 40k. Instead of Helping Humans in stoping Chaos and retreving their maden worlds - they are set up to destroy them?
They do realize that right now Humanity is the only thing standing before Chaos and the galaxy?'


Sez the humans How about the possibility that if the humans and their chaos-god feeding empire were gone, Chaos would be a sight less worrysome? Or perhaps the possibility that humans are wrong in their belief that the flashbulb is keeping them out?

'And then come the Ultramarines with their leader Calgar and tear down your statement that SM are nothing more than stupid pricks in power armor...'

Wasn't he outfoxed by 'dead' hormagaunts (despite the fact they were still breathing, generating heat etc..) ? It could have been another 'stupid prick in power armor...' as you put it, but i think it was Calgar. I don't have the nid codex to hand to check.

He is smarter than the average bear, but the average bear ain't so smart The Ultras, by and large, haven't impressed me with their stunning grasp of consequences and tactical planning. Calgar's plans have the benefit of plot armour to protect them.

I would put marines in general as being of average intelligence (most are recruited from world that would make Conan look intellectual) with occasionally smarter individuals.

Xenophobia is to 40k what air is to breathing. The entire setting must be Grimdark. So, how better to display this than having beings which should get along, if for nothing else to remove greater threats, fighting and bickering over nothing more than who has pointy ears and who doesn't.

Eldar, especially Ulthwé, understand how humans are helpful to fighting chaos. Why else would they let inquisitors of the ordo malleus into the Black Library?

Firstly, it should be stressed that the harlequins, not ulthwe let czevak in, and they're a whole different breed of eldar to the craftworld guys. I'm pretty sure no-one knows what the harlies are thinking at a given moment.

Second, Brother Coa, if you are going to respond in equal terms to a simplistic argument or inflammatory statement, you can guarantee you'll get both barrels back. Its not going to produce the results you want in this discussion even if it is satisfying to be so vehemently defensive. The eldar are well known for collaborating with humans to stop chaos, especially ulthwe, but that is not to say this amounts to respect.

It seems that most of the canon statements from codexes lean towards the eldar simply viewing all humans, astartes or not, as something to be used, not necessarily respected. In terms of martial effectiveness, respect is not always the same as being wary. For example, I might not respect a 50 ton truck, but if its driving at me at speed, I'd be foolish to not understand what will happen if I don't get out of the way. Whilst there are some given examples of the eldar viewing a particular character with something less than disdain, its by no means a species wide perspective. But, as rightly "pointed" out, the 40k universe wouldn't have nearly as many reasons for a good scrap if we all got along.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Eldar are afraid of Human Inquisition. As we can see that in their response from hearing the news about Exterminatus.
Some of them respect the Space Marines ( like Ulthwe and Biel-Tan ). Other's think of them like monkeys ( big mistake ).

Eldar are not afraid of the Human Inquisition any more than you are afraid of a moth in your closet. The news of Exterminatus does not strike fear into the heart of the Eldar the way you think it does. The act of Exterminatus is just another form of brutality from the humans that the Eldar find appalling. The idea that the humans would be ignorant enough to destroy a world just because they can't claim it as their own is what really gets the Eldar mad.

Why? Because humans have settled Maiden Worlds that the Eldar took thousands of years to terra form and now they have polluted them. When the Eldar come to claim them, the last thing they want is the Inquisition to try to Exterminate the world because then the Eldar would have to start over. And that takes a while as you can imagine.

And none of the Eldar respect the Space Marines. Nor any other human in the galaxy. Proof of this is here: " Some of you call us your allies. you are not allies, any more than a butcher's knife is his ally. You are tools, nothing more. To be used and expended to protect our race, that is your fate. Your kind think you are so magnificent. Yet even now, at the nadir of our power, we can manipulate you, turn you to our ends as easily as you might pull a trigger and fire a gun. Our time will come again, Eldrad has promised us. Once more you upstart mon-keigh shall kneel before our power! This time we will not be so lenient! We will exterminate you. Every world, every vessel, every one of you! Eldrad has seen the stars stained red with your blood and it pleases him! You think us weak, but we will be your doom, children of earth!"

Interrogation of captured Eldar Ranger Prisoner no. 28264 Prisoner awaiting termination from Codex eldar 3rd edition.

And thats from Ulthwe...a craftworld you claim respects the Space Marines.

And here's a quote from the Biel-Tan Swordwind entry in Codex Eldar 4th edition page 16: "The warriors of Biel-Tan care not, for to them all other races are usurpers to be culled without mercy"

Thats from a captured prisoner of war whos waiting to be executed I would imagine his anger and frustration cant be representative of the entire eldar races views on mankind not to mention thats from the 3rd edition a lot can be retconned here and there.

ZeroSamurai wrote:Eldar, especially Ulthwé, understand how humans are helpful to fighting chaos. Why else would they let inquisitors of the ordo malleus into the Black Library?

correction: the harliquins let the Ordo Malleus into the BL. Harlies are unaligned with any Eldar faction and probably see clearer then the others so they would work with the Inquisition.

Ascalam wrote:My aren't there a lot of SM fanboys in this thread, and some with alarmingly juvenile senses of humor at that..

The eldar know that the Space marines are tough, strong and so forth. They are not 'genius levels of intellect' by eldar standards necessarily though. By human standards they may be smarter, and certainly better at processing information, but genius isn't that hard to attain. A lot of people top the 170 or so IQ that rates as genius.

By eldar standards humans are xenophobic, crude and unsubtle lunatics using technology that the eldar outgrew eons ago. They are thought of in much the same way that you might think of the survivalist down the street who drives around your neighbourhood with a loaded uzi.

The last time humanity attacked an Eldar (plural: Eldar btw not eldars) Craftworld they lost a whole sector fleet doing it, with no lasting damage to the craftworld. The eldar may be fading, but they are far from helpless.

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Going by average IQ today the united kingdom being a prosperous first world country has an average iq of 100 around the 6-8th highest average the higest average being 107 , and any individual possessing an IQ of 120 or higher accounts for only 2% of the population im wording it badly but basically only 2% of the uk's population has an IQ of 120 or higher. So I dont know how you can say a lot of people top the 170 genius threshhold also the genius threshold is 140 not 170 ... .


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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:I find it unlikely that Space Marines even manage to rival the average hive ganger in intellect. They're deformed, acid drooling mutants whose idea of "brilliant tactics" is "Step 1) land a dozen marines near some enemies; step 2) stand in the open screaming and shooting at random objects; step 3) claim responsibility for the victory won by the hundred thousand guardsmen fighting in the actual battles".

Have you read any space marine fluff ? like seriously ...


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Reanimator wrote:

It seems that most of the canon statements from codexes lean towards the eldar simply viewing all humans, astartes or not, as something to be used, not necessarily respected. In terms of martial effectiveness, respect is not always the same as being wary. For example, I might not respect a 50 ton truck, but if its driving at me at speed, I'd be foolish to not understand what will happen if I don't get out of the way. Whilst there are some given examples of the eldar viewing a particular character with something less than disdain, its by no means a species wide perspective. But, as rightly "pointed" out, the 40k universe wouldn't have nearly as many reasons for a good scrap if we all got along.

Perfect analogy right here

And I suppose creating a group of psychotic pseudo-religious killing fanatics, arming them with the best weapons you can create, and watching half of them rebel against you and run off to play with Slaanesh and the gang hanging out in the warp is helping to defeat chaos?

If it weren't for the Eldar interfering with Abaddon in his 13th Black Crusade by using the Predictions of Eldrad, and Eldrad sacrificing himself to stop Abaddon from being able to use a Blackstone Fortress against Cadia, and also the Phoenix Lord Maugan Ra leading forces of the Eldar in key battles, the Imperium would be no more.

Abaddon would have destroyed all of Cadia, opening the way for the largest Chaos invasion ever seen. The Imperium in it's current state could not have stopped that alone.

The Imperium thinks it is Cadia that watches over the Eye of Terror keeping things from getting out, but it is not. The Eldar let them think that. It is actually the craftworld of Ulthwe that keeps a vigilant eye on the Eye of Terror, influencing events so Chaos does not sweep through the galaxy, and manipulating the Cadian sector into wasting it's troops to stop them.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldar used to be able to think about a star being snuffed out and it would happen. There isn't a single human in existence than can do that. Not even the Emperor. Why would they even give a thought to humans? To the Eldar mind humans are simply a plague on the galaxy similar to the way the Imperium thinks of Orks.

No, they never had that ability. They had the ability to DESTROY star systems, presumably through their technology, but no single individual in the 40K universe has ever held such a level of psychic power. Certainly, there is some argument that the Big E has psychic ability to outclass any other psyker living, and in some sources is even claimed to be the greatest psychic individual ever to exist. Probably human propaganda, but it's repeated enough times to be plausible.

In Fulgrim wasnt that farseer dude really suprised when Fulgrim saw the world as too perfect to mark as Imperial and was going to leave it....until they noticed he had a sword with a Slanesh deamon in it (oops)

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:I find it unlikely that Space Marines even manage to rival the average hive ganger in intellect. They're deformed, acid drooling mutants whose idea of "brilliant tactics" is "Step 1) land a dozen marines near some enemies; step 2) stand in the open screaming and shooting at random objects; step 3) claim responsibility for the victory won by the hundred thousand guardsmen fighting in the actual battles".

Really? I can only presume you've never read any 40K fluff ever, then, or are deliberately trying to provoke a reaction of some sort.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldar used to be able to think about a star being snuffed out and it would happen. There isn't a single human in existence than can do that. Not even the Emperor. Why would they even give a thought to humans? To the Eldar mind humans are simply a plague on the galaxy similar to the way the Imperium thinks of Orks.

What? The guy has caused at least one big Warp Storm ( The storm of Emperor's wrath ) that is still active even in the 41'st millennium. And that one guy is holding 4 gods from entering our reality and "hunt" us. He ever protects the Human souls thus denying them to Chaos gods. And blowing up stars is easy, even our scientist have a way to blow up our Sun. Why should be a problem for empire that have means to blow up a planet to blow up a star?

And Humans have a respect for the Orks. They say: "never underestimate the Ork strength". You can see that also when Gabriel Angelos is fighting them in original DoW.

Amusingly enough, it virtually brought Magnus to his knees summoning enough psychic power to destroy a titan. And it terms of pure psychic power, he was pretty close to the big E. Somehow I think destroying a star would involve considerably more power than that.

It would help, of course, if the writers actually read each other's stuff and the codex fluff. Some are better than others, but it does lead to some pretty wide dissimilarities for power level regarding the same character sometimes.

I remember, back when epic was new, using Magnus to kill titans regularly, as his eye beam was pretty potent. Ah, good times

Ketara wrote:Amusingly enough, it virtually brought Magnus to his knees summoning enough psychic power to destroy a titan. And it terms of pure psychic power, he was pretty close to the big E. Somehow I think destroying a star would involve considerably more power than that.

We really don't know just how potent the Emperor's psychic power is.


Magnus may be the closest, but that could be like saying that Alpha Centuri is the closest star to our own. it's still a helluva long distance and the Emperor could be a million times more powerful then Magnus.

Ketara wrote:Amusingly enough, it virtually brought Magnus to his knees summoning enough psychic power to destroy a titan. And it terms of pure psychic power, he was pretty close to the big E. Somehow I think destroying a star would involve considerably more power than that.

errr hrrm " In theory, there is nothing that a trained Alpha-Plus psyker cannot accomplish through force of will; from snapping a Titan in half to summoning a legion of Greater Daemons. Representing such a great danger, the Inquisition usually executes Alpha-Plus psykers on sight unless the possibility for capture is nearly assured."