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It's a mish-mash that doesn't go together at all.

At least the Defiance gun concept art looks like real guns, and not industrial power tools.

Zefig wrote:The helmets I'm strangely okay with, as well as the armor. I'd like them MORE if they fit in better with the original troopers.

Don't like the bubbly lack of details, claw feet, sci-fi mounted gun, and I think the French hat seems a bit out of place. I like the concept of the minigun, but it could stand to get a lot more detail. It seems bare even by WGF standards. I like the peaked cap on the officer, but I'm not sure about the hand-eye-emblem thingy.

By biggest problem is that the poses seem really static and unnatural. The limbs are plenty animated, but everyone appears to have iron rods for spines with perfectly squared hips and shoulders.

trenchocoats and solid casting don't go together well...


The helmets are okay, but stud-head over there simply will NOT work. The cheap-scale casting theyre doing.... not in seven hells that it will work. And then the design choice.... I really don't get it. The look is just plain... off. The only thing worth buying I'd say are the GI heads.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I am glad the new team is keeping up the tradition of previewing designs and taking feedback.

I hope they dont mind a massive influx of negative/constructive criticism!

Pretty much agree with most of the major points. Its like they're trying to do everything in one set making a mishmashed, awkward mess

And the fact that they trademarked someone elses IP... sigh.... Well, at least I'm glad I dont need more shocktroops.

Besides, what feedback system do they have? Beyond Liberty and Union League, which is just a spawning ground for requests to get something onto production, seems like this famous lonnie may just run things to the ground. I need to get back on this and find out the status of both companies.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAIT a mainute... I just noticed.... WHY Is there a cigar in the hand of helmetface???


and closer inspection has also revealed that the mini-gun actually looks ridiculous, as the barrells will not spin...... ever... even theoretically.....

daedalus wrote:At least the Defiance gun concept art looks like real guns, and not industrial power tools.

Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

poda_t wrote:Besides, what feedback system do they have

WAAAAAAAAAAAAIT a mainute... I just noticed.... WHY Is there a cigar in the hand of helmetface???


and closer inspection has also revealed that the mini-gun actually looks ridiculous, as the barrells will not spin...... ever... even theoretically.....

A comment system on their site. We all know how well those usually work out

In the future, helmets will have cigar openings!

I think a lot of the guns/the entire concept look rushed, ergo little thought was put into them

I'm surprised people who make beautiful game mods dont work for miniature companies (I know its different when it comes to production but modders can really do some great 3D work)

ph34r wrote:Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

Now take your sweet sweet design, render it down in scale so a miniature holds it, and see how easy it is to mould and cast it cheap. The ubiquitous boltgun and las-rifle are fairly un-amazing designs, but they do the trick. Same with the grenade launcher. Their mission is to produce highest quality at lowest cost, so what you get is something that looks fair. I know people who hated the shocktroops but after handling the models came to love them and wanted to put an order of their own.

I just checked defiance games' stuff, and cant see what has you so offended, everything makes sense to me, and there isn't that much to a gun.

poda_t wrote:

ph34r wrote:Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

Now take your sweet sweet design, render it down in scale so a miniature holds it, and see how easy it is to mould and cast it cheap. The ubiquitous boltgun and las-rifle are fairly un-amazing designs, but they do the trick. Same with the grenade launcher. Their mission is to produce highest quality at lowest cost, so what you get is something that looks fair. I know people who hated the shocktroops but after handling the models came to love them and wanted to put an order of their own.

I just checked defiance games' stuff, and cant see what has you so offended, everything makes sense to me, and there isn't that much to a gun.

Look, maybe you like it. That's fine.

As an engineering and art major, I hate it on multiple levels. As a wargamer, it is vastly inferior to the vast multitudes of other options. It's not just that it is simple, or boring, but it is actively designed badly. It doesn't look like it would actually function as a gun. It's aesthetics suck too.

I was 110% in support of WGF when they first came out with the greatcoat troopers idea, but my faith has been totally shattered by their end results.

poda_t wrote:and there isn't that much to a gun.

You'd be surprised sometimes

ph34r wrote:Look, maybe you like it. That's fine.

As an engineering and art major, I hate it on multiple levels. As a wargamer, it is vastly inferior to the vast multitudes of other options. It's not just that it is simple, or boring, but it is actively designed badly. It doesn't look like it would actually function as a gun. It's aesthetics suck too.

I was 110% in support of WGF when they first came out with the greatcoat troopers idea, but my faith has been totally shattered by their end results.

If I may clear this up, the gun that poda is talking about is found here. He's not talking about the Wargames Factory Greatcoat heavy weapons, he's talking about the concept drawings that have been posted by the studio which has been formed by WGF's original founders.

Maybe if I wanted a mutant ant army these guys would be useful. The chest armour I like but the rest is pretty much gak and what's with the commander figure? "Oh hullo ducky, what do you think of my new handbag?"

This may be just my opinion , but i see it as a really harsh flaw in the great coat's designs.

The coat... the way they flow is as if its made out of silk. They need to make it look sturdy and heavy and thick.

ph34r wrote:

poda_t wrote:

ph34r wrote:Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

Now take your sweet sweet design, render it down in scale so a miniature holds it, and see how easy it is to mould and cast it cheap. The ubiquitous boltgun and las-rifle are fairly un-amazing designs, but they do the trick. Same with the grenade launcher. Their mission is to produce highest quality at lowest cost, so what you get is something that looks fair. I know people who hated the shocktroops but after handling the models came to love them and wanted to put an order of their own.

I just checked defiance games' stuff, and cant see what has you so offended, everything makes sense to me, and there isn't that much to a gun.

Look, maybe you like it. That's fine.

As an engineering and art major, I hate it on multiple levels. As a wargamer, it is vastly inferior to the vast multitudes of other options. It's not just that it is simple, or boring, but it is actively designed badly. It doesn't look like it would actually function as a gun. It's aesthetics suck too.

I was 110% in support of WGF when they first came out with the greatcoat troopers idea, but my faith has been totally shattered by their end results.

OH! you were talking about the gattling gun on the first page in this thread? YEAH that thing is a PIECE, i agree

SkaerKrow wrote:If I may clear this up, the gun that poda is talking about is found here. He's not talking about the Wargames Factory Greatcoat heavy weapons, he's talking about the concept drawings that have been posted by the studio which has been formed by WGF's original founders.

Ah I see. That is indeed a cool looking piece of concept art.

Hey, I like what they're doing. Here are my ideas for improvement.

That was amazing. I laughed hard at that last trooper.

Helmets don't feel right. Can't find a single historical reference for this. Doesn't look good.
Skeletal feet doesn't seem to fit.
What's with the commander wearing a pirate hat? Out of place.
Poses are very static; lack of dynamic motion.
Laser cannon is blocky and mostly uninteresting to look at.
Top half of the gattling cannon is good, buttom half is looks unfinished/neglected.

This feels like a student project because it lacks a cohesive feel. Skeleton feet aren't mirrored anywhere else and feel tacked on. It also feels like the modelers jumped right into the project without doing enough concepting/thumbnailing beforehand; rushed in without enough planning.

It's not a cigar, but a pin of a grenade from the looks of it. You can see the ring looped around the finger. But why hold the pin and point? Is he going "Aaaaaah that's where it went"?

These look awful to me, like unusably awful. Warzone figures are better, and that's saying something.

ph34r wrote:

daedalus wrote:At least the Defiance gun concept art looks like real guns, and not industrial power tools.

Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

Actually, I mean the artwork at the other company that K_K referenced:

mmm. Not Autoguns...

ph34r wrote:

daedalus wrote:At least the Defiance gun concept art looks like real guns, and not industrial power tools.

Real? More like a poorly detailed box with 8 cylinders coming out of it, and an ammo cylinder on the side for some reason. And binoculars.

Uhg, I can't believe how bad these are. I could literally do better than this, and I've only been working with 3ds max for 2 years.

**cough** massive exageration **cough**

For what you pay, they are very good quality, 18 models and and load of spares for £13? These were designed by the old team, and tthe new helemts look kinda out of place, what was wrong with the old ones?

Mantic is a company that's found a way to offer cheap minis that are great quality.

These WGF models just don't do it for me, but they are obviously selling so someone must like 'em.

Ouze, if you're not already working for WGF, you need to be. At least as a consultant.

I think anyone with a baccalaureate of arts in history would make a good consultant....

I also just saw some rough-sketch designs from the WGF originals (Now defiance games), and I have got to say, I am bloody well damn !%$!!@$ amazed and demand those things in production right now. The mortar is gorgeous.

I dont know who on that team is the design genius, but its clear that that is whats lacking from WGF right now.

I dont think WGF has even been releasing concept art before 3D renders either....

winnertakesall wrote:**cough** massive exageration **cough**

For what you pay, they are very good quality, 18 models and and load of spares for £13? These were designed by the old team, and tthe new helemts look kinda out of place, what was wrong with the old ones?

Warzone sells 80 troops for as low as $10 or $20 when they have sales.

It was made 16 years ago.

Its models are better, cheaper, and older.

WGF is awful in comparison.

ph34r wrote:WGF is awful in comparison.

Out of the box, I agree that the Wargames Factory models are sub-par. However, they're priced pretty well, and if you kitbash them with GW components, they actually come together to form some pretty good miniatures. I kind of like these new Heavy Weapon Team concepts for bits harvesting, but to be sure, I would never use them as is.

BrookM wrote:It's not a cigar, but a pin of a grenade from the looks of it. You can see the ring looped around the finger. But why hold the pin and point? Is he going "Aaaaaah that's where it went"?

I dont see any rings looping fingers hmm...

It's not a cigar.

Its a stick to ring the cowbell with.

Because that gatling gun needs more cowbell.


Get rid of those heads. You did so well with the first ones, that THESE just crapped on the cake.

And the band of the hand? No, those heads are pretty weaksauce.