Well there goes my last Maelstrom order for GW stock

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**Makaleth**

Oh and on that...

I just bought:

2 Tau Piranhas ($AU82) for 25.42pounds ($39 converted)
1 GK Marines ($AU55) for 16.81pounds ($26 converted)
1 GK Terminators ($AU74) for 22.71pounds ($35 converted)
1 Trygon ($AU83) for 25.22pounds ($39 converted)
all from Maelstrom.

Saved me in total,
$155

Or in better terms... 53% off.

That people is 3% better than staff pricing in Australia (which in theory was meant to be close to the cost price of the models!! Yeah right). That alone is argument that the prices are so out of distortion that staff find it cheaper to buy from overseas.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

I did want to buy some GK models when they were released, but have decided to not start the army, no matter how small or elite it is.

Better to fill holes of armies I have than to plunge money into something new.

**H.B.M.C.**

That’s what I’ve told my friends: Use this final order to fill gaps in a force and to complete those things you have always planned to get around to.

That’s why I’ve ordered the Possessed and the Bikes. I’ve had 6 sets of Possessed wings sitting in my bitz box for months now, always with the intention of using them to make a full unit of winged Possessed (just ‘cause it’d look cool!). I’ve also had a stack of spare Khorne Berzerker heads, shoulder pads and torsos to make a Khornate Biker unit – all I needed were the bikes! – so now I’ve ordered them.

A friend of mine is going to be ordering Dreadnoughts (Ork, Marine and Eldar), as they’re the one thing he lacks in all his forces.

So fill your gaps everyone, and say thanks to Maelstrom for all they’ve done to help the hobby in Australia.

**AvatarForm**

In my shopping cart, but not at checkout yet...

Codex Space Wolves £15.75 /AUD$24.10 (AUSRRP = AUD$48)
Space Wolves Battleforce £46.12 /AUD$70.56 (AUSRRP = AUD$145)
Space Marine Devastator Squad £18.45 /AUD$28.23 (AUSRRP = AUD$55)
Space Marine LR Crusader/Redeemer £34.65 /AUD$53.01 (AUSRRP = AUD$103)
Space Marine Vindicator £24.93 /AUD$38.14 (AUSRRP = AUD$74)
3 x Space Marine Razorback £18.45each /AUD$28.23each (AUSRRP = AUD$55each)
2 x Space marine Land Speeder £16.65each /AUD$25.47each (AUSRRP = AUD$50each)

Total £219.39 /AUD$335.36 (AUSRRP = AUD$690)

(without 18% off discount and cashback)

You can each do the math... and the USA GW apologists can figure this one out in USD, remembering that the USD was once stronger than the AUD and our prices were originally set in those days and GW never adjusted them.

**Makaleth**

The GK's and the Trygon are the things I have wanted for a while that I don't really collect (well... 50 grey knights accidentally happened, but oh well)

**lord_blackfang**

Hey, hey.

Maybe you guys could petition your government to join the EU.

**Deepeyes**

My last order

1x Storm Raven £32.80
2x SPACE MARINE PREDATOR £44.32
1x SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR £22.16
2x SPACE MARINE ASSAULT SQUAD £29.60
3x Sang Priest £28.29
1x Furioso Dreadnought £22.16

£179.33 or NZ$363.57 / US$289.339

Buying it locally

£330.45 or NZ$669.80 / US$533

I had planned to slowly build my army up over the course of the year.

**Delephont**

LunaHound wrote:
Delephont wrote:Jokes aside, what are you guys planning to do post the "last order"......now thats what I want to know!

Build it , ran them over with a car or something heavy , let dogs pee on it , and burn it.

Video tape all of the above , upload it on youtube , send link to GW HQ and every Wargamming forum.

Isn't that like, a waste of dog pee.....

**lukewild1982**

I think it may actually be slightly cheaper to get a cheap flight where possible, come over and buy all the stuff and take it back. Unbeleiveable

**Waaagh_Gonads**

I walked past my local flight centre last week.

On Oz Dollars:
Brisbane to London return- $1668 ($1558 from Sydney)
Underground ticket (cash) Heathrow to St Pauls return $15
Darksphere games has pick up of stock at 25% off GWUK retail for a total 58.3% saving.

Some food and couple sights - $100

Same day trip (I'd be so doing this if unemployed) $1773.

The 5 purchasers in this thread so far are up to about $1291 in savings - and that is still short of the darksphere discound by about 7%.

So to break even, you would need about 7 gamers doing a large order (realistically about every 3-4 months) before the discounts start kicking in.
Get to 15 and the savings get up to about 30%
I'm sure 15 gamers once a month could be rustled up in most cities.

**Makaleth**

And people still think that this is 'fair',

On topic though:

1 Valk and 2 paints... yes even paints are double the cost in OZ (Explain that one people!)

Saved about $50 on 35 pounds.

**H.B.M.C.**

You ordered a Valk? Ok...

I did my final 'thank you' Wayland order. Baal Predator, Blood Bowl, 5 GKTs, 10 PAGKs, Cryx Cephalyx and Drudge Mind Slaves Unit Box and Cryx Cephalyx Overlords.

**poda_t**

currency strengths have nothing to do with calculating prices. Look at hte difference between CAD and USD and TELL me why the difference? It doesnt make sense.

That being said, If some people in the southern hemisphere are willing to pay a little extra, I'd happilly act as an "agent", so long as it works out cost-wise in your favor. Not to profiteer, but if I have $10 for my time, so long as you still save $40 or more after all the shipping around.

for instance:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Warhammer-40K-NEW-Unassembled-Space-Marine-Tanks-x6-/260787554141?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb826475d
will cost about 440 AUD from GW, but If my math is right, for me to buy it and ship it would be around 340 AUD to be on the safe side, with tracking number.

then again, dont know how GW intends to govern ebay... so if it turns out ebay also wont be able to ship south... well... if its from the that discount game store, hit me up,and well work something out.

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checked shipping info, looks like theyre still doing Australia... still.. if one day they stop....

**I_am_a_Spoon**

Just out of interest, can I order from Wayland now?

**chromedog**

Yes, unless you are after GW product.

Wayland are concocting some kind of legal dodge around GW's embargo and will be notifying subscribers and via facebook in the near future.

**Vimes**

I_am_a_Spoon wrote:Just out of interest, can I order from Wayland now?

Nope, every european based retailer has these conditions set on them. While Wayland is not happy with them (see their response in the thread dealing with that) they have to comply (for now) if they want to continue carrying GW stock.

Edit: Ninja´d. Of course this only applies to GW stock.

**DarkStarSabre**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:London resident - walk to dark sphere, pick up order (25% of UK retail) and then mail it to me air mail.

What's funny is that Customs seriously under-rates miniatures. They'll pounce on everything else but they underrate minis by a mile. This is probably the best plan guys - transfer money via Paypal, get a friend in the UK to buy it and mail it out to you.

**Tech Guard**

I'm sorry you all seem to be missing the point here, this is a site dedicated to the love of wargaming and minitures and you are desicrating this just because of prices. I am also a sailor i sail a 16'000 dollar boat, for a peice of rope 2 m long it costs me 100 dollars. And you complain aboat this get a life people. Sure it may cost more but i and a whole lot of people love this hobby. Take this conversation to another site not this one, its really pissing me off all of you ungreatful gammers out there. here you are complaining about prices when a kid in africa starves, this is just a hobby people.

**H.B.M.C.**

There aren't enough facepalms in the world...

**Tech Guard**

look man I dont want to stir the pot but seriously take this somewere else, maybe make your own web page. Eventualy people get annoyed with all of these posts. There is already 13 websites that have been created in the past 4 days about how people are annoyed about this topic, they are simply over it.

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And look i agree with you on the buying of cheap stuff online, but dont forget shear holders still run GW and 98% of these shear holders are war gamers. this desicion was made by these people. if you should be angry at anyone its them.

**SilverMK2**

Tech Guard wrote:look man I dont want to stir the pot but seriously take this somewere else, maybe make your own web page. Eventualy people get annoyed with all of these posts. There is already 13 websites that have been created in the past 4 days about how people are annoyed about this topic, they are simply over it.

Can you stop dragging this thread off topic? If you don't want to read about these issues, don't click on the threads. Many people are interested in them, hence why so many people are talking about them.

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Tech Guard wrote:And look i agree with you on the buying of cheap stuff online, but dont forget shear holders still run GW and 98% of these shear holders are war gamers.

As they say "pics or it didn't happen". Where is your proof that 98% of "shear holders" are war gamers?

I am almost certain that the vast majority of shareholders are not gamers.

**Tech Guard**

look im not out to create enemies, and yes your right i don't have evidence (i know 3 shear holders and all 3 are wargammers) but as of yet i hav'nt heard any evidence for price rises here in australia. someone please show me if i am wrong.

**Brunius**

Redbeard wrote:As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones? What's the median wage in Australia, expressed in GBP or USD?

Just curious. I understand that it sucks to lose a discount that you're used to.

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Okay, no responses yet.

I found this:
Average Full Time Ordinary Time Earnings Q4 2010 State Average Annual Wage Tasmania $57,808 South Australia $60,414 Victoria $64,620 Queensland $65,619 Northern Territory $65,962 New South Wales $66,565 Western Australia $73,148 Capital Territory $76,367
Here (http://www.livingin-australia.com/salaries-australia/). Cannot state anything about accuracy.

Anyway. Picking the middle number, 65,619, that equates to $69070 US, or 42837 GBP.

In the US, according to the government site, http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html, the average annual wage here in 2009 was $40,711 USD. So, according to these figures, the average US salary is only 57% of the average Australian Salary. In the UK, this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285) indicates that the median salary in the UK is 26k GBP. Here, the UK salary is only 60% of the Australian salary.

I read the letter that Mark Wells wrote on facebook. And, I can understand, Australian shops have to pay their employees in Australian dollars. They have to pay their rent in Australian dollars. While I understand that it's unfortunate that you're losing a discount that you've become accustomed to having, I think your posts are a bit misleading. It does appear that you're expected to pay twice what the rest of us pay - but looking at the data here, you're also making twice what we're making...

If I'm missing something, please let me know what it is. But if you can, please cite references. I've tried to include everywhere that I've gotten my data in case you want to check it out.

The exchange rate is what you're missing. It was different back in 2010.

Also, rent etc. will be different

In the US:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=486753 wrote:$684/month.

Times that out to per year: $35568

In Australia:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/139191 wrote:We pay $800 rent

Times that out to per year: $51600

Big difference. And that's just on rent. Account for that on electricity, gas, phone, internet....

**lord_blackfang**

Brunius wrote:Big difference. And that's just on rent. Account for that on electricity, gas, phone, internet....

Double pay, double cost. Makes sense to me. Dunno why you think your standard of living should be twice as high for the same amount of work done.

**Scipio Africanus**

Redbeard wrote:As a quick question, how do your Australian salaries compare to the UK or US ones? What's the median wage in Australia, expressed in GBP or USD?

Just curious. I understand that it sucks to lose a discount that you're used to.

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Okay, no responses yet.

I found this:
Average Full Time Ordinary Time Earnings Q4 2010 State Average Annual Wage Tasmania $57,808 South Australia $60,414 Victoria $64,620 Queensland $65,619 Northern Territory $65,962 New South Wales $66,565 Western Australia $73,148 Capital Territory $76,367
Here (http://www.livingin-australia.com/salaries-australia/). Cannot state anything about accuracy.

Anyway. Picking the middle number, 65,619, that equates to $69070 US, or 42837 GBP.

In the US, according to the government site, http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html, the average annual wage here in 2009 was $40,711 USD. So, according to these figures, the average US salary is only 57% of the average Australian Salary. In the UK, this site (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285) indicates that the median salary in the UK is 26k GBP. Here, the UK salary is only 60% of the Australian salary.

I read the letter that Mark Wells wrote on facebook. And, I can understand, Australian shops have to pay their employees in Australian dollars. They have to pay their rent in Australian dollars. While I understand that it's unfortunate that you're losing a discount that you've become accustomed to having, I think your posts are a bit misleading. It does appear that you're expected to pay twice what the rest of us pay - but looking at the data here, you're also making twice what we're making...

If I'm missing something, please let me know what it is. But if you can, please cite references. I've tried to include everywhere that I've gotten my data in case you want to check it out.

Averages mean nothing when more then 90% of people buying are either
A. Under the age of 16, and therefore do not have that kind of disposable income
or B. are artizans, tradies, college students or unemployed/minimum wage.

You cannot justify anything being 100% more expensive, no matter your context, than a country like america.

I would understand maybe ~30% more than america, but not 80%+

Your point is moot.

Fnote: Your figures are unfair, given australias large portent of miners, whom don't represent the majority of gamers or the country.

Before you use a source, be cynical about it, then make a decision. never take anything for truth 'till you rip it apart and make sure its the truth.

We'll make history students of you people yet!

Also,

3x predators
1 trygon
100 magnets

Cost me 155+postage.

would've cost me 306+magnets.

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SilverMK2 wrote:Where is your proof that 98% of "shear holders" are war gamers?

I imagine many of them are ready to cut our wallets off like fleece... maybe that's why he called them shearholders?

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Tech Guard wrote:look im not out to create enemies, and yes your right i don't have evidence (i know 3 shear holders and all 3 are wargammers) but as of yet i hav'nt heard any evidence for price rises here in australia. someone please show me if i am wrong.

how about back in 2008?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060074

Hell, I'd give them a testicle if I could have 5$ models again.

**Tech Guard**

sorry to sound stupid but what do you mean by 5 dollar minis

**SilverMK2**

Tech Guard wrote:sorry to sound stupid but what do you mean by 5 dollar minis

A model that costs $5 to buy. Many characters etc have rocketed in cost.

**Tech Guard**

I was'nt into wargamming around that time

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or do you mean the 55 dollar tacticle squads around 2007-2008 remember i did a whole sons of orar army before they rocketed to 64 bucks for a squad.

**Scipio Africanus**

Tech Guard wrote:I was'nt into wargamming around that time

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or do you mean the 55 dollar tacticle squads around 2007-2008 remember i did a whole sons of orar army before they rocketed to 64 bucks for a squad.

spoton, brah.

**H.B.M.C.**

Tech Guard wrote:98% of these shear holders are war gamers

They are?