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Fluff wise:

Lucius. Whomever slays him finds they are possessed by him and soon he becomes them.

The Eternal.

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I'm pretty sure Kharn has been killed before as well, during the heresy I think. Khorne brought him back to life. I can't see that any of them (except maybe Ahriman) would be able to be killed indefinitely.

   
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AvatarForm wrote:Fluff wise:

Lucius. Whomever slays him finds they are possessed by him and soon he becomes them.

The Eternal.


Again, it's not confirmed whether its unavoidable. Possession hinges on the killer feeling satisfaction or strong emotion at the death of Lucius.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:Fluff wise:

Lucius. Whomever slays him finds they are possessed by him and soon he becomes them.

The Eternal.


Again, it's not confirmed whether its unavoidable. Possession hinges on the killer feeling satisfaction or strong emotion at the death of Lucius.


Given the options, I cannot see any of them NOT feeling satisfaction.

Kharn literally only feels alive when slaughtering, his satifaction of the kill would be Khorne's own ecstacy.

Ahriman is a proud bugger, satisfaction is guarateed.

Typhus' psyche hasnt really been fleshed out as such, but you can be sure that if he is serving Nurgle he would feel satisfaction.

Lucius faces no threats as he is guaranteed to be reborn in the body of his killer. Even in death, he experiences ecstacy, serving Slaanesh further. However, his martial prowess has only truly been bested a few times in fluff, once only in HH novels.

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Again, it's not proven that it's a guarantee. Kharn is literally a mindless killer, I doubt he would feel anything when he buries his chain axe into Lucius's skull. You can argue that he is protected by Slannesh, but Kharn is protected by the much stronger Khorne. If it's skill, then Lucius has demonstrated MANY times in the HH that he is an excellent swordsman. He is predictable however, and is almost too Honorable, fighting only with the blade, like a fencer. Kharn is stronger, less skilled, but hes a true fighter. Lucius would dance circles around him to start with, but one hit with that axe and Lucius is dead.
   
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AvatarForm wrote:
Lucius faces no threats as he is guaranteed to be reborn in the body of his killer.

No he is not. What if Kharn kills Lucius? Do you think Khorne's just going to let Slaanesh kill his champion? Slaanesh doesn't just get to dictate the rules regardless of anybody else.
iproxtaco wrote:Kharn is literally a mindless killer, I doubt he would feel anything when he buries his chain axe into Lucius's skull.

I forget what the story is called, but there is one in 'Let the Galaxy Burn' which explores Kharns emotions and thoughts as he faces Slaaneshi forces. He feels, and he'd almost certainly be satisfied at killing the eminent champion of a rival Chaos God. That said, it'd mean little, since Khorne isn't going to be too happy at Slaanesh killing his champion.

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Gorechild wrote:I'm pretty sure Kharn has been killed before as well, during the heresy I think. Khorne brought him back to life. I can't see that any of them (except maybe Ahriman) would be able to be killed indefinitely.


He has; he died in the assault on the Emperor's Palace during the HH. He was found mangled by his followers who bore him back to their dropship on their shoulders. Inside they discovered he was still alive, but barely, likely due to Khorne not wanting to lose his favoured Champion.

I think he's died before too.

As for the fighting, Ahriman would win. Whilst Typhus, Lucius and Khârn are fighting, Ahriman would go all Team Rocket and dig a deep hole full of nasty things, cover it with leaves and stand on the other end. When Khârn undoubtably comes at him after murdering Typhus and Lucius, he falls down the hole to his doom and Ahriman lights a cigar and walks off, muttering to himself about loving it when a plan comes together.

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Avatar 720 wrote:
Gorechild wrote:I'm pretty sure Kharn has been killed before as well, during the heresy I think. Khorne brought him back to life. I can't see that any of them (except maybe Ahriman) would be able to be killed indefinitely.


He has; he died in the assault on the Emperor's Palace during the HH. He was found mangled by his followers who bore him back to their dropship on their shoulders. Inside they discovered he was still alive, but barely, likely due to Khorne not wanting to lose his favoured Champion.

I think he's died before too.

As for the fighting, Ahriman would win. Whilst Typhus, Lucius and Khârn are fighting, Ahriman would go all Team Rocket and dig a deep hole full of nasty things, cover it with leaves and stand on the other end. When Khârn undoubtably comes at him after murdering Typhus and Lucius, he falls down the hole to his doom and Ahriman lights a cigar and walks off, muttering to himself about loving it when a plan comes together.


Epic win!

although this would be yet another method of killing Lucius off, killing his killer.

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The fight between Kharn and Lucius would go something like the sword fight in the movie Rob Roy....with Kharn playing the role of Robert

If you haven't seen the fight, look it up..its quite awesome

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There's an old short story about Kharn in Dark Imperium about karn almost giving in to a psychic driven daemon prince of slanesh contained within a throne. So I'd say yes its possible for him to be affected by psykers if they were in such a cunning guise as this.





 
   
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Good job Lucius cant take a daemon weapon. If he rolls a one, kills himself and finds it overwhelmingly amusing, does he reincarnate as himself?

 
   
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Even if Kharne can't be affected by psyker powers his surroundings can. Make him fall in a hole then close it or something.
   
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Nicholas wrote:Even if Kharne can't be affected by psyker powers his surroundings can. Make him fall in a hole then close it or something.



Like a hole's gonna stop Kharn.

   
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surely kharn's sense of triumph is when he stands on lucy's body and screams "blood for the blood god" and as far as axe vs sword, a good fencer will use an axe's weight to his advantage, also lucy has his daemon infested whip

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Avatar 720 wrote:
Gorechild wrote:I'm pretty sure Kharn has been killed before as well, during the heresy I think. Khorne brought him back to life. I can't see that any of them (except maybe Ahriman) would be able to be killed indefinitely.


He has; he died in the assault on the Emperor's Palace during the HH. He was found mangled by his followers who bore him back to their dropship on their shoulders. Inside they discovered he was still alive, but barely, likely due to Khorne not wanting to lose his favoured Champion.

I think he's died before too.

As for the fighting, Ahriman would win. Whilst Typhus, Lucius and Khârn are fighting, Ahriman would go all Team Rocket and dig a deep hole full of nasty things, cover it with leaves and stand on the other end. When Khârn undoubtably comes at him after murdering Typhus and Lucius, he falls down the hole to his doom and Ahriman lights a cigar and walks off, muttering to himself about loving it when a plan comes together.


yeah, they found him dead atop a mountain of those he had killed, and then they realise he is still alive. he has probably died many times since, but Khorne has ressurected him.

   
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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:
Lucius faces no threats as he is guaranteed to be reborn in the body of his killer.

No he is not. What if Kharn kills Lucius? Do you think Khorne's just going to let Slaanesh kill his champion? Slaanesh doesn't just get to dictate the rules regardless of anybody else.


I could ask you the same thing... do you think any of the other Gods would allow Kharn to kill their favoured?

Aside from Ahriman, who is attempting to deny Tzeentch's "gift" on his legion and "cure" them...

So, in a fight without God interference, Lucius wins against all.

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AvatarForm wrote:
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:
Lucius faces no threats as he is guaranteed to be reborn in the body of his killer.

No he is not. What if Kharn kills Lucius? Do you think Khorne's just going to let Slaanesh kill his champion? Slaanesh doesn't just get to dictate the rules regardless of anybody else.


I could ask you the same thing... do you think any of the other Gods would allow Kharn to kill their favoured?

Aside from Ahriman, who is attempting to deny Tzeentch's "gift" on his legion and "cure" them...

So, in a fight without God interference, Lucius wins against all.

Why?
He would die just as easily as the rest...
In fact in a fight without gods interference. Wouldn't Typhus be dead already? Lucius would be mortal. Kharn wouldn't be immune to sorcery...
Ahriman is the only one that doesn't depends on a god to keep him powerful...

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I would think Kharn would win. He is, afterall, immune to psychic powers, and Lucius being born into his killer is.. A psychic power, ainnit?

Typhus has diseases, but for such a powerful contagion, it would have been warp-amplified by Papa Nurgle, which.. Won't affect Kharn.

Ahriman.. Is basically warp-based power. Thus Kharn wins.

I'm trying to be subjective, but his may be seen as a little bit biased. Just my two cents.
   
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I would say the destroyer plague would definitely affect kharn somewhat. We seem to be flipping between fluff and rule wise so would kharn be affected by the destroyer plague? Game terms typhus doesn't need to pass a test to use it as it represents the plague pouring out of him so I don't think we can say fluff wise its a psychic ability.





 
   
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i would say lucius reincarnating is Slaanesh's way of reviving him. instead of just making him never die, he turns his killer into a new lucius. just for lols, most likely.

   
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All of these characters seem to be one of their god's chosen ones, so completely kill any of them would be almost impossible (they could revive somehow).
I think this is the beggining of a new stone, paper, scissors game
   
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Except for Ahriman, he isn't the chosen of Tzeentch.
Kharn would win against Lucius as Khorne is stronger. He has protection against Psychic powers like all of the Blood God's champions so would win against Arhiman.

It's difficult to choose a winner when there's four combatants.
Kharn vs Lucius, Kharn wins.
Kharn vs Ahriman, Kharn wins.
Kharn vs Typhus, not sure, it's a difficult one.
Lucius vs Tyhpus, Typhus wins, the destroyer plague takes no pleasure and Typhus is all but immune to physical attacks.
Lucius vs Ahriman, the latter is considerably more powerful due to a mastery of sorcery, but would turn into Lucius depending on whether he can enact some form of ritual to stop it or something along those lines.
Arihman vs Typhus, difficult to decide.

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Fluff goes with Lucius I think. If he was killed wouldn't his killer just turn into him?


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Have you read the thread? Like, at all?
   
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Obviously Marneus Calgar Wins

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ChocolateGork wrote:Obviously Marneus Calgar Wins


I would prefer to go with Lysander though.

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iproxtaco wrote:Have you read the thread? Like, at all?


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Then you ought to, as you've repeated the same thing that's been said about six times before, with the same response each time. We don't know whether it's inevitable. Both Typhus and Kharn may feel no emotion when killing Lucius, and both are protected by their chosen Gods, which are both stronger than Slannesh. The effect it may have on Ahriman isn't certain either, as he is a very powerful sorcerer with knowledge of Dark Arts.
   
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i found a loophole to kill lucius.
What if a giant boulder fell on him and killed him?
OR what happens if someone kills him not on purpose? Like a car/ship accident? And it is a greater daemon that shot a explosive round that then killed lucius there we go lucius is dead again, what is going to do be reborn in a goat or a flame? "oh damn."

Or fly him towards the nearest sun lol

I think Ahriman wins because he is already a beast in combat as it is.

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You're not the first to think of that, everyone says just hit him with artillery or an orbital strike by accident and he stays dead.

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