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Movac wrote:Lots of baddies up in here.

in the 41st millenium no one is a good guy...

Again Happy, its not that easy to kill 75% of the Necrons

I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

RatWolf wrote:Again Happy, its not that easy to kill 75% of the Necrons

it is when you have power weapons,force weapons weapons that are doubele the str of a warrior as they dont get there ill be back rule unless ther is a lord with an orb within 6" of the unit.

oh and with nids lash of submission deffys and oblitorators do the trick just fine...

'I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered. '


Me too.

Orks can be scary, if played competently, but have none of the autowin enabled by having the best of everything

They wear a beercan on their back for armour, and a refreshing drink when the fight gets slow

Nids used to be decent. Now they are a bit bland.

I found the unplayable and sold my army after trying to make them work. I know people who like the new version, and can play it well, but they arefar from OP, barring a couple of units, used in the ideal conditions..

Movac wrote:I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

orks arnt but nids are.

ahah, but you only have a handfull of power weapons......

happygolucky wrote:

Movac wrote:I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

orks arnt but nids are.

In what way are Tyranids overpowered?

'ahah, but you only have a handfull of power weapons...... '

Not in a Marine or Eldar army

They are stuffed with them

You don't have to chop them all up either. They will lose combat and will break when they do, despite LD 10, due to disparity of wounds caused. They will then be swept due to I 2.

I've always felt that they are more desering of 'and they shall know no fear' or fearless than many other units, but hey..

Like i said if 2000pts give you a hive tyrant with full retinue a trygon 3 squads of tyranid warriors and 2 squads of maxed out genestealers and a close combat carnafex you cant be beaten

looking at the polls the main thing that is OP for space wolves is najal,logan and canis but thats it

Movac wrote:I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

No-one's actually said that Orks are over-powered. I brought them up and I was joking. Nids aren't either, I just know a player whose mind is over-powered. Seriously, having a brain that works like his is total cheese.

htj wrote:

Movac wrote:I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

No-one's actually said that Orks are over-powered. I brought them up and I was joking. Nids aren't either, I just know a player whose mind is over-powered. Seriously, having a brain that works like his is total cheese.

dose he just want to win...

happygolucky wrote:

htj wrote:

Movac wrote:I'm having a good laugh at people saying Orks and Nids are overpowered.

No-one's actually said that Orks are over-powered. I brought them up and I was joking. Nids aren't either, I just know a player whose mind is over-powered. Seriously, having a brain that works like his is total cheese.

dose he just want to win...

Nah, he's just exceptionally good at it. He's not a WAAC guy and often builds lists that are considered 'weak' by conventional wisdom. Then wins with them. The swine.

happygolucky wrote:Like i said if 2000pts give you a hive tyrant with full retinue a trygon 3 squads of tyranid warriors and 2 squads of maxed out genestealers and a close combat carnafex you cant be beaten

looking at the polls the main thing that is OP for space wolves is najal,logan and canis but thats it

That list at 2000 is depressingly easy to beat, actually. The fex and tyrant will be the targets for missile launcher spam (no armour, S8 too bad-so sad..) or melta/plasma death as you get closer. The guard will buy the Tyrant a little time is all.

The Stealers will be ugly if they ever get into combat, but die quite easily to bolter fire, let along anything bigger. The warriors are a bit less frail, but still not that great (though again if them make combate they will be ugly)

The Trygon is pretty good, but you might find it sitting in reserve all battle. If it does pop up it will cause a bit of havok before being gunned down at close range or powerfisted to death.

I've beaten lists like this with my Orks a fair few times. I'd be more worried about a tervigon spam swarm army, frankly.


(side note: i don't run Marines, but everyone seems to think in Marine, so i use those terms)



4 x JOTWW and cheap longfangspam are the two main complaints i have about SW. They seem to be common ones.

Ascalam wrote:

happygolucky wrote:Like i said if 2000pts give you a hive tyrant with full retinue a trygon 3 squads of tyranid warriors and 2 squads of maxed out genestealers and a close combat carnafex you cant be beaten

looking at the polls the main thing that is OP for space wolves is najal,logan and canis but thats it

That list at 2000 is depressingly easy to beat, actually. The fex and tyrant will be the targets for missile launcher spam (no armour, S8 too bad-so sad..) or melta/plasma death as you get closer. The guard will buy the Tyrant a little time is all.

The Stealers will be ugly if they ever get into combat, but die quite easily to bolter fire, let along anything bigger. The warriors are a bit less frail, but still not that great (though again if them make combate they will be ugly)

The Trygon is pretty good, but you might find it sitting in reserve all battle. If it does pop up it will cause a bit of havok before being gunned down at close range or powerfisted to death.

I've beaten lists like this with my Orks a fair few times. I'd be more worried about a tervigon spam swarm army, frankly.


(side note: i don't run Marines, but everyone seems to think in Marine, so i use those terms)



4 x JOTWW and cheap longfangspam are the two main complaints i have about SW. They seem to be common ones.

he dosnt have his trygon in reserve and if you say his army is depressingly easy to beat you should have come to the recent tourney me and my freind participated in, he came reasonably high with it.

also he had a lictor in his tourny list as well.

there is NOTHING overpowered with Nids, there just an army that if you know how to play, are pretty freaking hard, but, this gut in question play unconventionaly

Instead of Infiltrating his Stealers and running a shedload of Gaunts, he outflanks and runs none

happygolucky wrote:

Ascalam wrote:

happygolucky wrote:Like i said if 2000pts give you a hive tyrant with full retinue a trygon 3 squads of tyranid warriors and 2 squads of maxed out genestealers and a close combat carnafex you cant be beaten

looking at the polls the main thing that is OP for space wolves is najal,logan and canis but thats it

That list at 2000 is depressingly easy to beat, actually. The fex and tyrant will be the targets for missile launcher spam (no armour, S8 too bad-so sad..) or melta/plasma death as you get closer. The guard will buy the Tyrant a little time is all.

The Stealers will be ugly if they ever get into combat, but die quite easily to bolter fire, let along anything bigger. The warriors are a bit less frail, but still not that great (though again if them make combate they will be ugly)

The Trygon is pretty good, but you might find it sitting in reserve all battle. If it does pop up it will cause a bit of havok before being gunned down at close range or powerfisted to death.

I've beaten lists like this with my Orks a fair few times. I'd be more worried about a tervigon spam swarm army, frankly.


(side note: i don't run Marines, but everyone seems to think in Marine, so i use those terms)



4 x JOTWW and cheap longfangspam are the two main complaints i have about SW. They seem to be common ones.

he dosnt have his trygon in reserve and if you say his army is depressingly easy to beat you should have come to the recent tourney me and my freind participated in, he came reasonably high with it.

also he had a lictor in his tourny list as well.

Where are you based out of? I might see if i can make the next one

If his Trygon was walking it it is also a big 'shoot-me' sign for the big guns, but it would draw fire from the fex and the Tyrant. I'd not considered it being walked across the board

There is a guy with a near identical list at our local tourney that reserves his trygon, but it otherwise much the same. He lost last tournament to Dark Eldar (darklance and disintegrator fire makes a mess of MC's), Space wolves (Long fang missile spam and similar) and Guard (Lascannon spam and artillery support) before he got halfway across the board. His outlfanking Stealers would generally mess up one unit then get vaped by nearby firepower.

If your friend can make it work, good for him What's his tactics?


It should also be noted that It is possible to win tournaments with mediocre armies/lists. My necrons have won tournaments from time to time, despite being not so great. Luck and tactics play a big part, especially luck

I go to games of war in seaham if you see my thread on the tourney coming into september you can see the details on it

Thanks, I'll check it out

Cyberjesus wrote:I would say grey knights, simply because they have a huge advantage against a particular army in the game. While it's fluffy, it's not exactly fair is it?

They're actually surprisingly easy to beat with Daemons, especially if you use BotBG. 2++ against GK is nasty, especially if Fateweaver is nearby. I do hate warpquake however.

I don't get why people are saying GK are unbeatable. Its probably because its the flavor of the month army right now. GK is far from broken. Space Wolves is more broken imo. They get everything cheaper than all of the other SM codices and having split fire with Devastators. They also get cheap Razorbacks and Rhinos which is just hilariously good. The army is overpowered simply because everything is so cheap and just as good as normal SM if not better.

I played my Space Wolves in a tourney recently, and everyone complained '' oh no, not Space Wolves'' , and i didnt know why....
i dont use that many Long Fangs, just one unit

My regular non-tourney opponent is SW.

They are not that bad, unless someone cheeses the list out with 3 units of longfangspam and a few other dirty tricks.. (which tournament played generally do )

that they do, that they do

Space Wolves are Marines except better and/or cheaper. They really make zero sense from a design perspective.

I love how Happy had the audacity to say a Tyranid list that takes friggin' Lictors is overpowered. Funnily enough most of that list could be beaten with, well, spamming missiles really, as Ascalem said.

As for the topic of the thread, well, no army is so good as to really be "unbeatable" as far as I know, but the Space Wolves (Like MArines, but cheaper), and Imperial Guard (Admittedly, I have little experience playing guard players so I could be wrong. Though I did just crush them with a pure-Khorne Daemon army on Vassal. Though I had cheating levels of luck in that game) seem to be a bit above average compared to other 5e codices.

Void Dragon, i beg to differ, ever played ''The Leafblower List'' ?

RatWolf wrote:Void Dragon, i beg to differ, ever played ''The Leafblower List'' ?

Nup.

Can you describe it to me?

imperial Guard,

SHED TONS of tanks
Deathstrike i think, maticores, Hydras, google ''Imperial Guard Leafblower list'' it'll be kicking about

RatWolf wrote:imperial Guard,

SHED TONS of tanks
Deathstrike i think, maticores, Hydras, google ''Imperial Guard Leafblower list'' it'll be kicking about

Well, Imperial Guard dominate the mech game, as I have been led to believe.