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Did anyone else knotice they have updated this too.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat660002a&pIndex=1&aId=17700001a&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Mythal wrote:On which subject, according to the new Getting Started section, Dominions can only take two specials per five models now, down from four specials whatever the squad size. You now have to choose between an Immolator and two Meltaguns

Let's just keep hoping the points costs drop through the floor

Meh, I always used to run my dominions at 10 Sisters anyway... Of course, that was before we had the option of Scouting Immolators. So much for the 4x TL Meltas + Multimelta Immolator I suppose.

Edit: Just read back over the "Getting Started" page for Sisters. It's so unbelievably bad...


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At least Heavy Flamers are confirmed for Retributors.

But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...

Kind of disappointed the Sisters boxset is $17.25 for 3 basic models. I thought it was per the picture showing 7, but read the description. Kinda pricey to build a basic 10 strong squad.

streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...

They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.

SabrX wrote:Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?

The second story featured there involves the Sisters of Battle and a rather greedy priest who want something of a Rogue Trader family.

Sarigar wrote:Kind of disappointed the Sisters boxset is $17.25 for 3 basic models. I thought it was per the picture showing 7, but read the description. Kinda pricey to build a basic 10 strong squad.

Many players have been saying this all along. If you get a special and heavy weapon to go along with the Imperialis you will likely want to buy along with the vet superior and their Rhino you are looking at around 120 dollars US. Thats the buy in for a single squad of Sisters with a lousy 11 models. Consdierign that they are the only troop unti available and probably require 10 models its quite a stiff fee for playing Sisters.

Mythal wrote:

streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...

They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.

Would it surprise you? Honestly? To see Inferno Pistols removed from Sister of Battle? Because it wouldn't surprise me at all, honestly. We might get them back when we get a real codex and new models, but I get the impression that the temp dex was done exactly to existing models, nothing more.

In other words I think the lack of model with Inferno Pistol is exactly why we might have lost access to them on Seraphim.

streamdragon wrote:In other words I think the lack of model with Inferno Pistol is exactly why we might have lost access to them on Seraphim.

I have difficulty believing even Games Workshop could be that pathetically petty - especially given the efforts the folks who've converted their Seraphim to carry Inferno Pistols will have gone to over the 8 years since our last Codex.

Edit: Nah, I'd still keep my Sisters army as Sisters, even if their only purpose is to make fourteen-year-olds with geological acne feel better about their MEQs.

They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.

Why would this surprise you.

It would shock me if they get to keep them to be honest..

Ascalam wrote:They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.

Why would this surprise you.

It would shock me if they get to keep them to be honest..

I have a creeping feeling that you might be right.

I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?

Fraid I'm with Ascalam on this one. As much as I'd love to believe they'll let us keep the option, I'm heavily doubting it.

@Dr Mathias - I can't think of anything they've lost, no.

My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.

Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "

Sorry I think this is a big dissappointment.No new models, WTF GW?I was hoping for some new sculps and some plasitc Storm Troopers.

pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.

Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "

Wait for the second part, Pretre. And if it helps, it's Dominions with 2 every 5, down from 4 whatever the squad size was. It just means you can no longer field Dominions with 4 Meltaguns out of an Immolator - you'll have to use a Rhino instead.

pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.

Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "

It's 2 every 5 for Dominions, if that makes you feel better.

in the the aforementioned article the cannoness has an inferno pistol.

Yes, the model for the Canoness comes with one as an option.

Not sure if anybody else noticed this under the Battle Sisters listing:

"Unit Composition: Sister Superior and 9-19 Battle Sisters.
Transport: If the squad numbers ten models or less, it may be mounted in a Rhino."

It does also included the updated stat profile. So I'd say it looks like Immos will be staying for non-troops.

Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...

I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?

pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.

Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "

Welcome to the dark side. Have a Cynicism Cookie. The secret ingredient is tears from GW fans.

It's been dipped in chocolate to take the edge off of the bitterness.

morgendonner wrote:Not sure if anybody else noticed this under the Battle Sisters listing:

"Unit Composition: Sister Superior and 9-19 Battle Sisters.
Transport: If the squad numbers ten models or less, it may be mounted in a Rhino."

It does also included the updated stat profile. So I'd say it looks like Immos will be staying for non-troops.

Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...

Thats not an updated stat profile as it lacks grenades, and bolt pistols. The stat profile is exactly as it was in the 3rd edition WH listing. They just haven't changed that yet. They may stay that way with 9-19 models and a superior, but it may also change.

Just write Games Workshop a letter with your concerns and idea's for the sisters. Whats in the White Dwarf articles does not mirror what will be in the codex. I think if a few hundred people sent them well thought out letters that were not full of what some might call nerd rage or ranting then there is a good chance they might take some of your suggestions to heart.

The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.

SabrX wrote:Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?

Well, they have to put something in there.

Waiting for December. About time that Faith & Fire is getting its sequel.

col. krazy kenny wrote:Sorry I think this is a big dissappointment.No new models, WTF GW?I was hoping for some new sculps and some plasitc Storm Troopers.

Storm troopers will not be part of the Sisters Codex by all reports and no one was expecting new models with the WD. Sorry that you didn't hear sooner.


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Mythal wrote:
Wait for the second part, Pretre. And if it helps, it's Dominions with 2 every 5, down from 4 whatever the squad size was. It just means you can no longer field Dominions with 4 Meltaguns out of an Immolator - you'll have to use a Rhino instead.

/hug Mythal

Phew. Reading comprehension for the fail.

My optimism is restored!

Tabitha wrote:The stuff in the WD codex is to play test many sisters units before the release of the real codex.

Tabitha wrote:Whats in the White Dwarf articles does not mirror what will be in the codex.

So, from these two quotes, we can assume the purpose of the White Dwarf Codex is to playtest units that won't be in the new Codex?

Zefig wrote:The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.

Games Workshop Website wrote:a Sister Dialogus to spread the word of the Emperor and make his foes quake with fear.

Games Workshop Website wrote:these powerful speakers can embolden the spirits of nearby troops and galvanise them into action against the enemy

I don't think either interpretation is any more creative than the other, based on the evidence as presented. They either give a penalty to enemy Leadership (dubiously utilitarian with the prevalence of Stubborn/Fearless/Morale-Ignoring Special Rules in modern Codices) or some form of bonus to Sisters (most likely more useful, given Sisters' apparent new weaknesses). Given what we've seen today, I suspect you're right - if only because the one is less useful than the other.

pretre wrote:
/hug Mythal

Phew. Reading comprehension for the fail.

My optimism is restored!

Glad I could help - we'll make the army work, somehow.

No infernus pistol seraphim...

What....

the...


FRACKING HELL IS THIS BULLSH----calm calm

They've had them.... always... hell... even FFG has them in their fluff for the seraphim to use... APPROVED by GW... and now they get rid of them?!

Cruddace... if you like this army so much, you wouldn't have forgotten this .

Where does it say no Inferno pistols?

"Upon winged jump packs the Seraphim descend onto the enemy with bolt pistols and hand flamers blazing. Seraphim are found in the Fast Attack section as they epitomise this style of warfare, able to land anywhere upon the battlefield, and shred the enemy with lots of withering close-range bolter and flamer fire, wiping out the enemy or target or reducing it to such an extent it is no longer a threat should they try to counter-attack in the Assault phase."
Ref - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat660002a&pIndex=2&aId=17700001a&multiPageMode=true&start=3

Not a single word about the army that epitomized the damned things... I mean... they 'MAY' be in, but they don't list the one of their claims to fame?! That doesn't make a single bit of sense.

It is a blurb. Inferno pistols weren't mentioned in the blurb in C:WH either, just the wargear.