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Yeah, I call bs on this. So much of this is self contradictory and not meshing with the way things work in real life. For example of self contradictory "Matt Ward is 5th edition, he's done with 6th yaddayaddayadda" and "Everything since Tyranids has been written for 6th edition." Well, how many of those post Tyranid books has Ward written? I'm pretty sure at least 2 of them are his monstrosities....

As for dropping 3 board members, we would have seen an announcement about that by now I would think. A publicly traded companies board of directors is not something that you can change at the flip of a hat, I'm not 100% on GW's corporate structure, but generally if you're removing members from a board of directors, one of four things is occuring:

1. They are retiring
2. They were voted off by the shareholders
3. They were voted off by the board themselves
4. They sold their stakes in the company

Now, 1 is entirely possible, there could be rumors that 3 of the members are retiring, etc. and we're all just waiting on official statements to be released, but three at the same time seems unlikely.

2 and 3 however... There are shareholders on Dakka, one of them would have probably posted an announcement from a shareholders meeting, etc. that a vote was held to axe 3 members on the part of the shareholders. Likewise, a vote by the board themselves would have resulted in notification to the shareholders by now (unless this happened like yesterday). Additionally, unless GW has a rather bloated board, axing three members could be anywhere from 25% to 50% of the board. It's usually not that easy to vote someone off, let alone three people.

And 4, we would have seen that in the recent financial release if someone bought up such large parts of the company.

In addition to that, the rumored fluff changes fly in the face of pretty much everything. Space Marines (NOT Chaos Marines) are something like 30% of GW's total sales... not just 40k, but Fantasy and LotR, etc. included. To give such a large cash cow the shaft by putting them on the losing foot plus shifting sales focus away from them is a very risky move, and threatens shareholder confidence if it doesn't pan out. Besides that, if everything since nids has been written with 6th in mind, none of the fluff in any of those books seems to suggest the doom and gloom for the Imperium that 6th is supposedly going to be pushing. Seems kinda silly to change up the background so drastically in a new edition, but to not mention anything of the sort in the supplementary works supposedly produced for it. The fact that the original rumor states that "Chaos seems content to just chill out, blah blah blah except for the last black crusade, blah blah blah" is the clearest indicator of bs, IMO. Last I checked, the 13th Black Crusade pretty much takes place at the end of M41. Following the campaign, both sides are going to need to rebuild, which is going to take a rather significant amount of of time. The forces of Chaos simply aren't going to have the manpower to be a potent threat for quite some time afterwards. IIRC, the outcome of EoT was "the Cadian Gate was shattered, but at great expense to the Legions of Chaos, and its unlikely that they will be able to mount a campaign of such size and/or magnitude again anytime soon."

Besides that, Chaos allying with the Imperium? Are you fething kidding me? After all the trouble GW has gone through to make the Imperium and Chaos into one of the strongest rivalries in science fiction history? After all the trouble GW has gone through of updating the Grey Knights... a book about a specialist chapter of marines, and an organization of the Imperium, that exists SPECIFICALLY to eliminate Chaos? RIIIIiiiigggghhhttt....

Now, if any of this is true, I think I'll quit now while the going is good. Why you may ask? Simple, the Sisters are stated to be the 'poster child' for WD codecies... yeah, if thats the poster child then I've lost all faith in GW ability to deliver worthwhile content. I would say I lost faith in their ability to write rules too, but thats been long gone.

There might be a modicum of truth to these rumors, but I think they are being grossly exaggerated and blown drastically out of proportion. Besides that, the supposed source of the rumors isn't what I would exactly call an inside source. The guy works Finecast production... GW's manufacturing division is about as reliable a source for rumors as a red shirt. The only thing they can really tell us is what new minis are upcoming, which in itself is a great boon, but I don't see where a knowledge of fluff changes, and company structure changes comes from. Really, the only part of these rumors I might believe is that Forgeworld might be further integrated into GW. It makes sense if you think about it. GW is doing resin production, they have a great line of resin miniatures in existence already that is supremely overpriced but has a lot of existing demand. If GW starts switching more FW pieces over to Citadel via Finecast they could possibly generate more sales. The alternative is that FW continues as is, but production is moved fully in-house.

This I think hits the nail pretty squarely on the head:

Alpharius wrote:Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.

This is more or less the same reasoning that gave us the Summer of Flyers rumors. I tried pretty hard to convince people of that fact (since the process of those rumors was a bit more transparent, especially in the sense that the rumor started believable (some new flier kits coming our way), someone speculated that maybe they were planning on doing flyer rules, and then wouldn't you know it Stickmonkey started claiming he had it on good authority that there was an upcoming expansion called 'Summer of Flyers' and that there would be new kits plus dogfighting rules, etc. via WD), but no one listened to me... we all see how that went.

Not fussed about the moving timeline as the Horus Heresy is far more interesting. As for Matt Ward moving on and the general 40k gushing, it might have escaped your notice but the hobbit movie is out next year and GW have the licence. Now I wonder who rewrote the LotR books to do massive battles like the Battle of the Five Armies? I would not be surprised in the least to see that Mr Ward could head the Hobbit game. Also if 40k hits, that would be two boxed sets in one year. Warhammer Fantasy players had best enjoy this winter cos after then they are going to face stiff competition for big release slots.

Other then the ward/board members thing its just a rehash of the BoK rumors. Or is there something I missed while trying to find my box of kosher salt?

winterman wrote:Other then the ward/board members thing its just a rehash of the BoK rumors. Or is there something I missed while trying to find my box of kosher salt?

He rehashed some rumors from Ghost 21 as well.

I like the sound of pretty much all of that...would be nice to see it play out.

Ahhhhhh!!11!!1!1 i'm being crushed by a HUGE block of moon size salt.

Talking more seriously, this sounds feasible tbh. Maybe the first rumour I believe about 6th.

When we hear something from BoK, or the Eternal Warriors, I believe it.

I think my kidneys just stopped working after reading the sources of this stuff.

Alpharius wrote:Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.

I think that this thread will soon become a Wishlisting Thread, and the soon after that it will find its way to "40K General Discussions" and then, soon after that, it will drop into oblivion...

Hmmm.. to trust Alpharius or to not trust him...

Alpharius wrote:throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.

A very neat analysis as to how BOLS keeps it's traffic numbers up....

Yeah, let's take an established and well loved IP, with strong, realistic dynamics and turn it into Starcraft 2 like steaming turd. Makes sense! Go for it GW...

Everything else in the OP just pales in comparisons to the ridiculousness of that single idea.

On second thoughts this is saying a lot of what I want to here and GW never listen to thier fan base so this makes me think this probably isn't true.
Most likely wishlisting by a person who is a fan and wants the samethings I want.

Totally believable, after all GW has been taking everything positive about the game and ruining it, might as well destroy the timeline in the process too.

Just waiting for that Dallas moment when the CEO wakes up and realizes that 5th ed. Was all just a horrible nightmare and we get back to real chaos armies, models that don't look like bad cartoons,and decent pricing.

Nerd rage vented.

Carry on.

The whole necron/primarchs returning/void dragon stuff sounds an awefull lot like 'Rise of the Tau'. Anyways, I have enough unfinished models left to last me well untill the supposed release date of 6th so I wont be buying GW any time soon (and I just started with warmachine).

Speculation and rumours are nice and all, but as said before, I'll believe it when I see it.

I think this belongs in Dakka Fiction ...

No I don't like most of these rumors. The part about Chaos Legions coming is nice. The rest ... nah.

The WD legion support sounds like a smart way to get a lot of different and characterful warbands rather than packing them all into a codex. Looking forward to the Chaos Legion book and really do hope it comes out in early 2012.

Erm Chaos fighting alongside IoM? Moving to 42nd Millennium? I'll believe these when I see it.

Theophony wrote:

we get back to real chaos armies

models that don't look like bad cartoons

Pick one. All the old models looked like bad cartoons. And what 'real' chaos armies? When chaos was the best-est and made even the hardest armies now looked like a Swedish comped tournament?

I'm calling BS on most of these rumors, fluff wise atleast. Games-workshop has spent more than two decades to construct the rivarly between the Imperium and the Chaos, not to just have them work together ( I mean....come on, they have been at war with each other for more than 10 Millinium), that rumor is bogus.

The board room members thing alone completely invalidates this.

Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices.

it's pretty obvious that all this stuff is fake, but a guy can dream

Walks in.

Rolls eyes.

Leaves.

I always enjoy a nice piece of fiction, esp. the Mat Ward part

I’m treating this email as fiction or a massive exaggeration.

The thing about GW is that they’ve been particularly underhanded in the way they operate ever since 4th edition. Whilst the SOB WD and previous 6th edition rumours show a small vein attempt on GW’s part to fix 40k, the rumours in the original post don’t synch with GW’s underhanded nature and how they operate. I’d probably believe the rumours if they said something like Matt Ward was given a promotion and the Ultramarines were now the most dominant force in the galaxy.

If I could wish that one of the rumours in the original post was fact and not fiction, I’d definitely wish for the “Matt Ward being gone” rumour to be true.

I used up all my salt with the rather-believable "Summer of Flyers" rumors. It's better just to outright disbelieve this wish-list.

BoK and BolS have become the wish-listing tabloids of the wargaming world.

whitedragon wrote:So...if Chaos allies with the Imperium to fight Necrons....then what will the Blood Angels do? They are like best friends with the Necrons right?

well you c, Dante's necron broz nevr call him back but he hear Abbadon was lookin 4 new broz and Dante was like yo abz can we chill 2gether? Now they share a Bromance together in the style only two 'heterosexual' men can.

I'm guessing the board members thing has come from wild mass extrapolation of the (if I'm half remembering correctly) recent financial statement where a couple of the top cheese mentioning that they're thinking about retiring in the not distant future, been working there for X many decades etc...

I HOPE Ward is gone or contained. He shot his creative wad with Space marines. That was a great book. Everything else has been terrible.

I also HOPE that whoever has been responsible for some of these terrible decisions GW has been making leaves and they get some new blood in to bring GW into modern times.

I think advancing the storyline, slowly, is a great idea. It keeps things fresh, and without major changes really doesn't alter the status quo much.

We'll see.

Reecius wrote:I HOPE Ward is gone or contained. He shot his creative wad with Space marines. That was a great book. Everything else has been terrible.

He's better than Cruddace, whose 40k codex lineup has been - terrible, but with so many options packed in some of them had to make up a good list, and fluff copy/pasted from 2nd edition. Then terrible with no options at all, and fluff rewritten because he decided he didn't like the good fluff.

I think advancing the 40K timeline is about as likely as a significant across the board price cut.

At this point actually I'd be a bit worried to see any huge changes at GW. I'd be worried they were a last-ditch effort to stop a failing company from going completely down the tubes.