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I think 'loose' as opposed to 'Lose' is some sort of meme. I initially thought the OP was being cute. Nice to see it was an honest mistake.

Agree that the crucible should have some effect on psychic vehicles.

Perkustin wrote:I think 'loose' as opposed to 'Lose' is some sort of meme. I initially thought the OP was being cute. Nice to see it was an honest mistake.

It is, sort of, in the sense that the above and the correct usage of they're/there/their and you're/your should be the first page of the Internet.

lixulana wrote:

WarOne wrote:

Kirasu wrote:So if all Pyskers are "Pyskers" now.. does that mean that the culexus assassin gets an assault 25 weapon if he's within range of 3 8 man pysker units? They didnt have the pysker special rule before but apparently they are indeed pyskers as per the DE FAQ

Until they actually say otherwise, I'd say yes.

except for the part where it says they are treated as a single psyker.....

Thats not what it says since Pyskers do not have the Brotherhood of Pyskers rule. It says they ALL take LD tests, which means theyre all different pyskers unlike say GK units which are 1 pysker

lord_blackfang wrote:

yakface wrote:

Gorechild wrote:I was expecting and amendment to the Court of the Archon to make the new advanced orders into a legal, playable unit. I guess they are happy with releasing 2 completely pointless models though

Why is it not a legal playable unit?

Because there's no Sslyth or Lhamaean model and you need at least 1 of each. GW is literally selling half a unit.

Yes but thats why you proxy, I really wonder what people have turned into nowadays. Use yout imagination don't reply on GW feeding you models. Its part of the hobby (conversions)

Marthike wrote:Yes but thats why you proxy, I really wonder what people have turned into nowadays. Use yout imagination don't reply on GW feeding you models. Its part of the hobby (conversions)

If I have to proxy anyway, why bother buying half the unit (in Failcast, no less)?

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I could not find it in the errata document: If a librarian dreadnought is immobilised can it use the wings of sanguinius to move? Personally, I don't see why not.

It would not be able to use the power to move as it exits the vehicle.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Marthike wrote:Yes but thats why you proxy, I really wonder what people have turned into nowadays. Use yout imagination don't reply on GW feeding you models. Its part of the hobby (conversions)

If I have to proxy anyway, why bother buying half the unit (in Failcast, no less)?

SHAMELESS PLUG!!

I converted a half decent Sslyth by combining Genestealer body, pink horror arms, lizardman head and selection of weapons - there's a picture in my plog (link in my sig).

Just think of them as weapon upgrades to the archon... for 15 points he can take a 2+ poisoned weapon (lhamaean), for x points he can take extra shard carbines... etc... I'm not a fan of the Ur-Ghuls but if i think of them this way it makes it a little more appealing, at least to take from a gaming perspective. And as blackfang says, there's always conversion possibilities.

Back on topic, disappointed by the com ruling... I had this in a thread war not too long ago, looks like GW have proved me wrong

Grimtuff wrote:

Perkustin wrote:I think 'loose' as opposed to 'Lose' is some sort of meme. I initially thought the OP was being cute. Nice to see it was an honest mistake.

It is, sort of, in the sense that the above and the correct usage of they're/there/their and you're/your should be the first page of the Internet.

Hey - I didn't write it. The GW FAQs are full of little 'spelling-Easter-Eggs'.

Orinoco wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I could not find it in the errata document: If a librarian dreadnought is immobilised can it use the wings of sanguinius to move? Personally, I don't see why not.

No, because it is immobilised. Wings just lets you move as JI - and you cannot move.

Youre trying to move something that is not allowed to move. Why is that difficult to understand?

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Orinoco wrote:Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I could not find it in the errata document: If a librarian dreadnought is immobilised can it use the wings of sanguinius to move? Personally, I don't see why not.

No, because it is immobilised. Wings just lets you move as JI - and you cannot move.

Youre trying to move something that is not allowed to move. Why is that difficult to understand?

Because it has wings!

Lib Dread (LD)- I am going to stomp over to you in the name of the Emperor.

Chaos Havoc (CH)- Not unless I shoot your legs off!

*pew* *pew* goes the lascannon.

LD- Oh noes, now I cannot stomp over to you since you immobilized my legs!

CH- Death to the False Emp---

LD- Luckily the Emperor deigned me to have wings too!

*pew* *pew* goes the lascannon.

LD- Are you SLAGGIN' me??? These wings are as paper-thin as my metal legs!

CH- grating laughter.

Kirasu wrote:So if all Pyskers are "Pyskers" now.. does that mean that the culexus assassin gets an assault 25 weapon if he's within range of 3 8 man pysker units? They didnt have the pysker special rule before but apparently they are indeed pyskers as per the DE FAQ

Says in their rules section that the unit is treated as a single Psyker.

Why are so many people pissed about this again? Brotherhood of Psykers tells you exactly how this is suppose to play out without the FAQ. And don't tell me for one second you really thought a 20 point piece of wargear was suppose to wipe out whole 10-man, 300+ point squads. That's just ridiculous.

GreyHamster wrote:

warboss wrote:

BuFFo wrote:Need to keep all you marine kids happy, right?

The Blood Angel ruling doesn't seem particularly beneficial to marines seeing as how the dread is ruled as destroyed. Are there any active issues with Blood Angels that they didn't address yet or that have crept up more recently? I haven't really played much 40k this year and don't frequent YMDC much any more.

He appears to be upset that a 20point upgrade no longer could be interpreted to be able to remove multiple whole Grey Knight units instantly, unreliable as it may be.

FireWolf698 wrote:Why are so many people pissed about this again? Brotherhood of Psykers tells you exactly how this is suppose to play out without the FAQ. And don't tell me for one second you really thought a 20 point piece of wargear was suppose to wipe out whole 10-man, 300+ point squads. That's just ridiculous.

I read these responses, and wonder if they are intended to be ironic, or their authors have simply never read the rules for psychotroke grenades...

its almost mathematically impossible for the crucible to wipe out a squad given that its average range is 7" and the chance of failing a LD 8 Roll are 10/36 or 27.7% chance per roll. Using basic math hammers you will faill 1 in 4 rolls. so a squad of 5 guys would still lose 1 model, OMGS ! A squad of 10 would on average lose 2. 2 models it not whole squadS(s? seriously? you thought this?) of 300+ point models.

Considering its also 1 per army and 1 time use anyone stating its wiping out squads or whole armies is kind of insane.

I think people are more upset that for no real reason the new matt ward FOTM army aka GKS has a rule protecting its psykers so they can only lose 1 model in a squad to bad things but as long as any of the models in the squad are alive they function at full psychic power! There are armies that have units of psykers that do not really get this free benefit.

YAY CHEESE MARINES! MOAR SPACE MARINEZZ PLZ

and as has been pointed out the GK codex has numerous items that completely neuter other units for almost no cost. and Are not 1 per army, and are usable more than once.

More importantly, why are people taking Crucible? It costs quite a bit and it sucks pretty bad. Anyone here remember what the OLD Crucible did? Yeah, that was actually worth something. The one we have now? Not so much.

FireWolf698 wrote:Why are so many people pissed about this again? Brotherhood of Psykers tells you exactly how this is suppose to play out without the FAQ. And don't tell me for one second you really thought a 20 point piece of wargear was suppose to wipe out whole 10-man, 300+ point squads. That's just ridiculous.

Humorously, it could wipe a 11 model seer council thats 400pts or even more if they are on bikes.

Kurce wrote:More importantly, why are people taking Crucible? It costs quite a bit and it sucks pretty bad. Anyone here remember what the OLD Crucible did? Yeah, that was actually worth something. The one we have now? Not so much.

This. Crucible is just pointless.

I find it hard to believe that they bother with only answering 2-3 little questions when there are always plenty that need answering.

blaktoof wrote:I think people are more upset that for no real reason the new matt ward FOTM army aka GKS has a rule protecting its psykers so they can only lose 1 model in a squad to bad things but as long as any of the models in the squad are alive they function at full psychic power! There are armies that have units of psykers that do not really get this free benefit.

Because they aren't Gray Knights, and thus should have different strengths and weakness, not to mention rules? And that's on top of a fiction related reason as to why GK function like that?

Yes, we get it, some people don't like Marines. Dully noted.

yes, dully noted.

Perhaps it should be named Nemesis Brotherhood of Psykers, since we are talking about dull redundancy.

yes armies should have different strengths and weaknesses than the next, otherwise there is no point. I think more people are upset that the grey knights do not really have the weaknesses category. ala most of matt wards codexes...

all of matt wards codexes have 1 thing in common. They have a singular binding theme of power and any rules inherent in the game that would cause you a chance to die or something bad from using that power are grossly ignored as per his written rules.

His codex rules are all mary sue characters.

if he wrote the dark eldar codex everything would be "darklight" before its name instead of 3 items. And the dark eldar would be fast, have scout, infiltrate, some item that lets them reroll deepstrike, and their FNP would ignore normal FNP rules for ID since they are only toughness 3 but their drugs are so good as per his fluff. Obviously the drugs are extracted and distilled sisters of battle blood mixed with genestealer adernaline glands, and slaaneshi muscle relaxers. Oh and there would be an item called Crucible of Darklight that would cause all psykers within " to be LD 2 for the purposes of psychic tests. any character could take if for about 10 pts. And the talos can fly as per a skimmer but counts as a walker for difficult terrain, how that works we just dont know because it wont be in the rules but they will faq it partially later. Since its not a marine army everyone will just assume and play that it doesnt work however.
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blaktoof wrote:marine hate

Yeah, but you still haven't explained why multiple units from a low model count army should be able to be wiped out by a 20 point upgrade who's only criteria affects about 90% of the army. (pre-FAQ)

If marines had something like that, people would be screaming murder over it. Hell, people scream murder over marines when they are actually somewhat BALANCED. If anything is broken, it's IG.

blaktoof - all of those particular dead horses haven been beaten straight out of this reality. I think it is time to move on...

For playing such a top tier army, dark eldar players sure like to whine about the marginally reduced effectiveness of a wargear item that they weren't taking anyway. It's very unfortunate that it can't vaporize six land raiders or a full paladin squad at the same time, i'm sure that went right along with it's intention as a wargear item designed to assassinate IC psykers

Yeah, only Marines deserve to have abilities that can remove or neuter hundreds of points of models with one die roll (or not even that).

lord_blackfang wrote:Yeah, only Marines deserve to have abilities that can remove or neuter hundreds of points of models with one die roll (or not even that).

I agree, that's why I fill my marine army with manticores.

lord_blackfang wrote:Yeah, only Marines deserve to have abilities that can remove or neuter hundreds of points of models with one die roll (or not even that).

Alpharius wrote:blackfang - all of those particular dead horses haven been beaten straight out of this reality. I think it is time to move on...

ShumaGorath wrote:For playing such a top tier army, dark eldar players sure like to whine about the marginally reduced effectiveness of a wargear item that they weren't taking anyway. It's very unfortunate that it can't vaporize six land raiders or a full paladin squad at the same time, i'm sure that went right along with it's intention as a wargear item designed to assassinate IC psykers

It's because alot of DE players resent marines since they kept getting updates when it took 11 years to get 1 update. Which I fully understand I would just like to see an MEQ be on the downside of one of these faqs.

Akroma06 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:For playing such a top tier army, dark eldar players sure like to whine about the marginally reduced effectiveness of a wargear item that they weren't taking anyway. It's very unfortunate that it can't vaporize six land raiders or a full paladin squad at the same time, i'm sure that went right along with it's intention as a wargear item designed to assassinate IC psykers

It's because alot of DE players resent marines since they kept getting updates when it took 11 years to get 1 update. Which I fully understand I would just like to see an MEQ be on the downside of one of these faqs.

Yeah, but you have your book and models. It's time to let it die.

Akroma06 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:For playing such a top tier army, dark eldar players sure like to whine about the marginally reduced effectiveness of a wargear item that they weren't taking anyway. It's very unfortunate that it can't vaporize six land raiders or a full paladin squad at the same time, i'm sure that went right along with it's intention as a wargear item designed to assassinate IC psykers

It's because alot of DE players resent marines since they kept getting updates when it took 11 years to get 1 update. Which I fully understand I would just like to see an MEQ be on the downside of one of these faqs.

and having something game breaking is just stupid. it defeats the purpose of marine hate, now its xeno hate

puma713 wrote:Like the title says.

Dark Eldar FAQ wrote:
Q: Does the Crucible of Malediction affect vehicles that
are also psykers? (p60)
A: No.


Q: Does every psyker in a unit of psykers, which are in
range of the Crucible of Malediction when it is opened,
have to take a Leadership test? (p60)
A: Yes. The notable exceptions to this are units with the
Brotherhood of Psykers special rule. These units just
take a single test, and will loose a single model if
failed.

The two change ares completely fluffwise guys...

Vehicles could not be psykers you know, and in warhammer ANYthing inside a vehicle dont exist for the game...

And the second is fluffwise too, after all, GK are the biggest marines around, they could not be beaten by emo-gothic-bitches...