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Yes, that useless 16 year old girl unable to fight her stepfather on even ground.

"minus the tree branch and the punching it did not seem overly bad"

seems a bit of a turnaround from

"I think the parents were justified" and "this is bad....how?"

So what you are saying that the corporal punishment you received was pointless but are still in favour of it?

inept indeed.

I was smacked as a kid. Only when I did something really awful. But we are talking more than 25 years ago, rules have since changed.

And I would like to clarify that I was never beaten with a stick and made to go toe to toe with my pops in medieval armour...that is, well, extreme to say the least. I really believe that we might have less annoying little brats hanging around provincial town centres if thier parents A: Cared about how they are bought up and B: Are allowed to give the little gaks a thump around the ear when they get out of line.

Wait, he PUNCHED her? Even through armor, just... WHAT.

Feth him. Throw his abusive ass in jail, the fething trash.

I believe in corporal punishment sure, but what the feth kind of worthless piece of excrement parent PUNCHES THEIR CHILD? Beats them until they're unconscious? He brings shame to parents everywhere with his gakfether actions.

Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

ineptus astartes wrote:Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

It says it both in the quoted text in the OP and in the Article (well it would, the quoted text is from it). A brief reading of either would be ideal before posting, to be fair.

Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.

He punched her and beat her with a tree branch until she collapsed from exhaustion.

BEFORE the duel. That is, she probably wasn't wearing armor.

Child abuse is wrong.

I approve of discipline for unruly children, but child abuse and discipline have very distinct differences, but some parents are unable to or cannot grasp the two as separate entities.

Also, what is the prior history of the parental relationship with the teenage? Has this happened before or in other extreme instances?

Considering her body is "covered in bruises", I owuld guess that the couple-- it wasn't just the father, apparently-- have been assaulting her for some time now. That or this beating was particularly fierce...

sebster wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

No matter how indefensible something is, on the internet someone will always show up to defend it. It's incredible.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

She wasn't just in a duel. She was punched and beaten with a tree branch, and after that forced to duel for two hours with a man we can reasonably assume was much, much bigger than her, likely leading to her being struck with a wooden sword many, many times.

This is a really, obviously bad thing.


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ineptus astartes wrote:So? she went and disobeyed he parents and went to some sort of party. Bad girl, I think that the parents were justified, she was able to fight back anyhow.

I live in Nepal, so excuse me if I am a bit callous about kids getting switched. it happens a lot where I come from as well as in my american side of the family.

makes us better people. my grandfather had to cut his own birch rod to be whipped with if he acted up.

It looks like you're keen to drag this thread into an argument about corporal punishment. Fine, I don't have strong opinions against it, in fact I think in the right household it can be useful.

But you really, really shouldn't pretend that's what happened here. Punching a girl, beating her with a stick, and then forcing her to duel with a grown man who was likely many times her size until she collapsed from exhaustion is not the same thing as a quick whack across the back of the leg with a wooden spoon. This is an incredibly obvious thing. So just accept that, accept that what happened in the story was outrageous, and either move on or refine your position and have your argument about corporal punishment.

But don't sit there pretending that what happened to the girl is anything like normal corporal punishment.

She should have brought a knife and shanked him when he was hitting her with his wooden doily in the duel. Never bring a stick to a knife fight.
Beating your child with a tree limb should automatically require that the local football team (or Rugby in your part of the woods) gets to use you as a dummy for practice.




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Melissia wrote:Considering her body is "covered in bruises", I owuld guess that the couple-- it wasn't just the father, apparently-- have been assaulting her for some time now. That or this beating was particularly fierce...

Potentially so. We don't know the details.
Still a definite candidate for "I know, lets tie him to a stand and let the 300lb linemen practice full speed tackles on him." if no footballers are about then:

*Hockey puck target
*Baseball target
*Girls' lacrosse team tagert (I particularly like this one).
*Tazer testing volunteer.

Anyone getting flashbacks to that girl who shot her dad with an arrow a few months ago?

I'd rather be punched than struck repeatedly with a piece of wood, and that's a fact. That said, neither is appropriate punishment for a kid who went somewhere they weren't supposed to, and neither is likely to have the desired effect of making your kid more able to make intelligent choices.

Yeah, kinda am. A pity she didn't do that to his guy, but he'll get what's coming to him regardless, hopefully.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, kinda am. A pity she didn't do that to his guy, but he'll get what's coming to him regardless, hopefully.

"We all got it comin kid."
-Jim Munny

WTH a duel? They obviously have no class.
For matters of honour those with class insist on a joust!
And i thought you wre supposed to slap someone with a glove to start a duel not beat the living bejesus out of them.

Huh. Well that's the weirdest case of abuse I've read about in awhile... Some kids would actually probably find that fun XD

ineptus astartes wrote:
I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.

I'm really not sure if you're being serious here.

'Could not hold her own?' She's 16 years old and was beaten for 2 hours by her father while wearing 20 pounds of armor.

I doubt you would have fared any better.

The parents were out of control on this one. Bat gak crazy, even.

kronk wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:
I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.

I'm really not sure if you're being serious here.

'Could not hold her own?' She's 16 years old and was beaten for 2 hours by her father while wearing 20 pounds of armor.

I doubt you would have fared any better.

The parents were out of control on this one. Bat gak crazy, even.

Plus the important fact is it sounds like she was beaten prior to the "match" as well. Hence kitchenware should have been employed.

Even if you ignore the how and the why, this girl was punished until she COLLAPSED.

That word alone shows that the punishment crossed the line, even if the type of punishment would have been appropriate.

Edit: not saying that I believe it was appropriate. Far from it.

She was beaten both with first and with a tree limb, then forced to put armor on and beaten some more until she was collapsed.

"Hold her own"? She lasted two HOURS of being beaten by her father over and over again. Even professional karate tournaments aren't that brutal.

To be fair, it does look like ineptus either didn't even read the OP's quote, or didn't realise how everyone would view his opinion before he posted it.

http://www.nospank.net/n-r47r.htm <- Whilst probably biased, this may shed some light on his view.

ineptus astartes wrote:Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

You should probably read something before commenting on it in such a way.

But either way, no matter how rough and tough your culture is, this crossed the line by a long shot.

Melissia wrote:

Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.

He punched her and beat her with a tree branch until she collapsed from exhaustion.

BEFORE the duel. That is, she probably wasn't wearing armor.

hmm, didn't see that.

well.

this is embarrassing.

Melissia wrote:
Even professional karate tournaments aren't that brutal.

not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

Karate is about countering your enemies moves and using inertial force as an incapacitator, what we do (it has no name) is just about getting you opponent completely winded, bruised and exhausted. nowhere is Off-Limits.

take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.


That said, punching and using a tree branch (depends on the type, if it was switch, not a real big issue, an actual branch would be bad) to beat your daughter is wrong, especially because she was forced. but the fact stands that this man could still do this, no one could stop him, what the point s is what happens afterwords, maybe he should have to go a few rounds with a kangaroo to get the point across.


now, to point out, I read the OP, I just did not see where it said 'punched.' reinspeciton revealed my mistake.)


and Dreadwinter, I m originally from america, so I can understand what you seem to be saying, but 90 precent of people in this country (Nepal) would say 'so what?' to this topic. My cousin (age 6) has been beaten with a broom (bundle of twigs and branches) and then ordered to go and slop out the buffalo pens for causing a mess, I had no adverse reaction to this, it is the norm for most of the world (IE: a world mainly not represented on Dakka.)

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Women have a lower pain threshold and a higher pain tolerance than men.

If they had skipped the beating and gone straight to the armor and sparring I could get on board with this being ok. Especially if he just kept her moving with a couple judicious whacks to well padded section. Kind of a waste of time really though, waste two hours of my time sparring or take her cellphone, laptop, and put her in tech timeout for a week. If she likes go party deleting her facebook would cut deeper than beating.
Silly SCA wierdos, don't you know technology is kids crack cocaine?

ineptus astartes wrote:not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

You are not punched and beaten with sticks ntgil you nearly collapse before you enter the match.

ineptus astartes wrote:take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.

Starving him as a punishment is something only horrible trash parents would do.


Yes, I know Nepal is a horrible country to grow up and be a kid full of gakky parents.

AustonT wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Women have a lower pain threshold and a higher pain tolerance than men.

If they had skipped the beating and gone straight to the armor and sparring I could get on board with this being ok. Especially if he just kept her moving with a couple judicious whacks to well padded section. Kind of a waste of time really though, waste two hours of my time sparring or take her cellphone, laptop, and put her in tech timeout for a week. If she likes go party deleting her facebook would cut deeper than beating.
Silly SCA wierdos, don't you know technology is kids crack cocaine?

No no. At 16 the youngins are dangerous. They might be able to take you out. My boy is like a rock, an immovable rock (I know. If we get within two feet of each other round 327 of 'who can make the other one move' will spontaneously erupt). Even the almost 13 year old daughter is nearly as tall as the Wife and has taken to starting their own version of push mom around.
Thats why you take away their cellphone.

So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Necroshea wrote:So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Maybe because he was punching her in the face until she put the armor on, or just beating her with the rod?

These folks were not members of the SCA. Their membership had lapsed some time ago. Although the SCA is all about recreating history, often by taking 1 1/4" wooden swords to each other, we only do it against other certified fighters.

This is a pure case of child abuse- the father unfortunately had armor and some understanding of combat that he probably picked up in the SCA.

This is a quote from the Society's governing rules, the Corpora-
"7. No person who has not attained his or her sixteenth (16th) birthday may be authorized in
armored combat or the marshaling of armored combat. No person who has not attained his or her fourteenth
(14th) birthday may be authorized for any form of Society combat-related activity."
www.sca.org/docs/pdf/govdocs.pdf

As the young lady being beaten was 16, we know that she had never have been authorized as a fighter, or allowed into the wooden sword combat by the SCA. She may have fought in the youth division, but they fight with foam padded swords so that their precious joints are not damaged while they are developing, and they only fight to touches like fencers. Only our heavy lists fights full contact in heavy armor.

tl,dr- This ain't SCA work- we're crazy, but we're responsibly crazy.

See, this is perfect:

The father goes to prison for a few years and becomes even more evil.

Meanwhile, the girl trains and trains while her father is locked up.

Father is released - epic rematch!

Melissia wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

You are not punched and beaten with sticks ntgil you nearly collapse before you enter the match.

ineptus astartes wrote:take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.

Starving him as a punishment is something only horrible trash parents would do.


Yes, I know Nepal is a horrible country to grow up and be a kid full of gakky parents.

Yes folks, lets say rude things about other peoples countries' because they do what has been done for millennia!

They used to do this in America too you know. besides, we opened our borders to foreigners what? forty years ago? We were still using swords mostly.

How would o you like it if I started to talk trash about America, huh? not that I would mean it, I like it there, but-oh, wait, I am getting sucked int an argument, trolls love that.

And yes, you have been trolling. I was merely stating my opinion.