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InquisitorVaron, if you want out, I would still recommend playing nice. If you ended up going there for behavioural and anger issues, displaying more of them isn't going to help you get out.

I've got six months left not enough time for "Good Behaviour" as a way to leave.
I'm currently talking to my parents about leaving.
They are so far gone with thinking the school is the best they're effectively ignoring my pleas.

Why would a school like this make boiling water readily available to a child with severe emotional problems?

InquisitorVaron wrote:
Let me ask you this? Do you have everything you own labelled down as collateral for breaking idiotic rules created on a whim?

No, because I'm an adult. And as for disciplinary procedures being created on a whim, if you were as intelligent as you claim to be, surely you would realise that the potential confiscation of valued items is a fairly standard (and effective) practice across a range of institutions, from prisons to schools. Presumably this is a residential facility, and the only recourse the staff have when a child is particularly disruptive is to curtail their leisure activities. I'm not surprised you don't like it, as you're not supposed to. There is a way of avoiding it, though...

If a staff member takes a dislike to you your life becomes hell?

I can't imagine why a member of staff would take a dislike to someone with such a sweet disposition - the mind boggles...

A certain staff member at my school denied me food because she woke me up really early and I swore.

...Ah. So you think it's acceptable to subject people employed to look after you to foul and abusive language, simply because they are waking you up? Yeah, you ain't getting any breakfast on my watch either. Maybe next time you'll show a bit more respect for those with a duty of care towards you.

I'm a teenager and 6:30 isn't my time of day, nor is 10:30.

You're not an adult, and you don't get to decide, at least, not in this context. And 6.30am isn't early, by the way. That was the time I got up for school every single day, when I was in secondary education.

To give a gauge I lose 1-1.5 Stone every two weeks, putting me from underweight to nigh on anarexic. My metabolism is very high and I require around 3,500 Calories to put on weight. I only usually get one meal due to the times and staff permitance.

Hmmm. I think there's something you're not telling us. I'm a 6ft 3, 18st well-built adult male, and I don't need to consume that many calories. Do you have weight issues?

I don't attend school anymore due to everyone being no more intellectually able than a Electron, i say electron because they're always positively charged and can be set off by minute things for example a chair being im the wrong place.

Nope, still not getting why anyone would take a dislike to you. I find you absolutely charming.

Do you think that environment is best for me and my education? Before you say why haven't you reported said staff member, i have but the staff have mob mentality and stick up for each other. Zimbardo experiment springs to mind.

You wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world, so you should be grateful that you are insulated from it for the time being. Bear this in mind - teaching staff don't want to constantly discipline children. I recommend that you examine your behaviour and learn how to take some responsibility for it before you have to go and try and make it in a world which, frankly, won't give a gak about your excuses. Seriously, it's a cold world out there. It's full of people like me, and to a lesser extent, mattyrm.

Answer me that, and don't go off and pick out the parts that support your statement better.

Fair enough, I've done that. You need to realise though, that your posts are often largely incoherent, laptop or no.

Albatross wrote:

@mattyrm - Mate, I never had you down as the 'I strongly believe this, therefore it must be true' -type. That's the sort of behaviour you attack religionists for. The fact is, you are not qualified to decide what is and what isn't a 'nonsense mental illness' - I'm pretty sure ADHD isn't classified as a mental illness, incidentally. And what does any of this have to do with our welfare system? Educational support is about doing what's best for the child, not absolving the parents of responsibility. You can be the wealthiest, most responsible parent in the land, but without the specialist skills needed to cope with looking after an Autistic child, how can you ever expect that child to lead a happy productive life? Please do me a favour, and I genuinely mean this - if you and the missus ever have a kid with severe learning difficulties, please don't attempt to everything on your own and refuse assistance out of macho pride. The kid will suffer, and they ain't handing out medals for it anyway.

Yeah well Its not a conversation about what can be "true" or not is it? I thought it was more of an opinion, a "yes or no" question.

I am well aware that I am far from the ideal person to speak on this issue, that's why I'm not a social worker! But this is OT and we post to give our own views on topical things, thats all I was chirping in for.

We dont only get veterans pitching in on the military threads do we?!

Its merely my opinion, and that's all I intended it to be. Certainly nothing along the lines of "I am right"

In a nutshell my opinion is simply that I think that the state provides a decent service for kids with special needs. I don't perceive there to be a huge issue and I don't see why the parents cant do more. Its basically forms part of my views about society as a whole, in that I think that people cry alot, and demand special assistance for pretty much everything, and it gets my back up because I think that if more people had a "Ill sort my own gak out" mentality, and only relied on others when they really really had to, then the system would actually work properly.

Im also aware that I am intolerant to a degree, and again, I don't see why it causes people any distress, I wear my opinions on my sleeve and I dont beat about the bush, but just because I am stating an opinion doesn't mean I think I am the UK's premier expert on child psychology or mental illness! The Marines instilled in me a distate for percieved weakness and it affects every aspect of my life. I get uncomfortable when I see people cry, I dislike hugging and excessive touching, I dont talk about "emotions" and I dont listen to pan pipes or eat Tofu. These things are merely part of my personality and basically boss hit the nail on the head, lots of gak annoys me!

I am pretty certain that autism is a severely debilitating illness because on the few articles/TV shows I have actually seen about it, I recall an interesting article in the Guardian by a mother that said following the success of movies like Rain Man (and that gakky Haley Joel Osment film whose name escapes me) people seem to think that kids with autism are going to be some sort of odd genius, when in fact they are usually just pretty messed up kids who struggle with many ordinary things and cannot have an ordinary life.

However, I still think that ultimately people need to pull their socks up and put some more effort in on their own part, and many many parents fall into that category. That is basically all I was trying to say, and I certainly dont think I am even remotely well read on this topic, I apologise If you thought that was what I was saying, but It wasn't.

I certainly didn't mean it to come out as "scrap any and all state assistance for everything and if you ever require it you are a beefer"

1) I work in a mainstream school in Hackney, one of the roughest parts of London. We have several pupils on the spectrum successfully educated at our school. They are best off staying with us. They have their own issues,they give us all headaches and often they get upset. BUT, they learn to live with other children their own age, and other children their own age learn to live with them. Having them with us benefits the child AND all the rest of us.

However, we also have several children on the spectrum who have proven unable to integrate into mainstream secondary. They have either gone, or need to go, into a specialist unit. They are not able to cope with other children, so gain nothing by being around them. They cannot function within the environment the other children do, so they actually get treated worse by other children, encouraging a less tolerant approach. They prevent learning and create an unhappy learning environment.

On the other hand, there are plenty of non-aspergers/autistic kids who don't belong in our school for exactly the same reasons, but not due to aspergers, autism, or any other valid reason. Every case needs to be taken individually.

2) mattyrm, your assertiveness is often charming. This time, your assertion that you are 100% certain that you could raise a child with utism is offensive and demeaning. Some of the parents of the autistic and/or apsergers children I have known have been exceptional parents, yet they need help and support to raise their child. Your arrogance belittles the wonderful things they have done for their children.

3) Monster Rain, I'd generally agree with you that sheltering children too much is a bad thing. However, in this case, I have to say that have seen how much extra intervention and support can help the child. It really does make a difference.

4)Inquisitor Varon, I've been a teacher for a long time, and reading between the lines as if you were one of my own pupils, I strongly suspect there is a lot more than you are telling us. For example, did you use a one-off swear-word at the person who woke you, or was it a tirade of abuse designed to humiliate and degrade? Were you denied meals, or were you denied the meals you wanted?

I ask because more than once I have heard people say "just for swearing" when it was a sustained barrage of abuse and screaming or "not allowed food" when they had the option of a baguette, but wanted hot food, etc, etc...

"Just for swearing" always makes me grin, anyway. Swearing is against the rules, there is no "just". If a teacher swore at the same student, they'd most likely be horrified and inflate to twice their normal size due to indignant rage.

mattyrm wrote:

I am pretty certain that autism is a severely debilitating illness because on the few articles/TV shows I have actually seen about it, I recall an interesting article in the Guardian by a mother that said following the success of movies like Rain Man (and that gakky Haley Joel Osment film whose name escapes me) people seem to think that kids with autism are going to be some sort of odd genius, when in fact they are usually just pretty messed up kids who struggle with many ordinary things and cannot have an ordinary life.

However, I still think that ultimately people need to pull their socks up and put some more effort in on their own part, and many many parents fall into that category. That is basically all I was trying to say, and I certainly dont think I am even remotely well read on this topic, I apologise If you thought that was what I was saying, but It wasn't.

I'm not offended or anything, brother! I just wonder why you think parents of kids with SENs need to 'pull their socks up'? What are you basing that on? I mean, how are you supposed to know how to bring up a kid with severe learning difficulties, without any sort of training? Without the sort of state support for SEN kids that we have now, we'd be back in the Victorian age, when the 'simple kids' ended up doing menial chores for scraps from the table, which is a step backwards in anyone's book.

I certainly didn't mean it to come out as "scrap any and all state assistance for everything and if you ever require it you are a beefer"

Yeah, that's not you at all!

Albatross wrote:

I certainly didn't mean it to come out as "scrap any and all state assistance for everything and if you ever require it you are a beefer"

Yeah, that's not you at all!

Well.. I might think It, but I wouldn't come right out and say it on a public forum!

InquisitorVaron. I'm trying to piece together your story, man. I'm trying to pick up what you're throwing down.

From your earlier thread:

I've not been Schooled for Five years, and I'm breezing through them. My class attendance is about four percent of all Lessons and I've not gone for a good Four months now. I've done no revision or Schoolwork, and yet I still achieve A* which is Ninety five percent or higher.

They're a total washout. Has anyone else had the same issues with their kids or themselves?

Just on a side note, I do have High functioning Autism which is what Einstien and people of that Ilk had. I thankfully don't have the drawbacks of lack of social skills being a very social person.

Calling other people washouts shows a lack of social skills. As does swearing at the person assigned to waking you up. I got up at 6 AM every morning when I was in school (then I walked up hill both ways in the snow with no shoes).

Also, why weren't you schooled for 5 years? Were you home-schooled? Expelled? Institutionalized for criminal or antisocial behavior? Are you, Inquisitor Varon, currently in an institution not for your autism, but because you committed a crime and was institutionalized as a result?

InquisitorVaron wrote:
The punishments are unfair, how many of you had a bedtime at 16? I rebelled against it and i'm expected to pay £100 for sitting outside my room being quiet and not disrupting anything. The bill is to cancel my phone contract and the worst part is they took my paint :( anyway I digress but I'm emotionally connected to this.

Do you have a bed time or does your floor have a "lock down" time?

I completely agree with it. My little sister has Aspergers, and our public school system just couldn't handle it. Her new school, however, knew exactly what she needed, and within a year has improved ten-fold...It's just a shame that it's losing funding :/

Da Boss wrote:"Just for swearing" always makes me grin, anyway. Swearing is against the rules, there is no "just". If a teacher swore at the same student, they'd most likely be horrified and inflate to twice their normal size due to indignant rage.

We're actually allowed to swear in our College (lecturers) we just don't out of politeness and expect the same from students. I've known a teacher who actually used "swearwords" as a sort of last warning to students, he'd say one to himself quietly and everyone would buck up or they knew they were for it.

From my experience being one and teaching them, quite a few students do their best to game the system/teachers/lecturers/anything.

You also cannot ever take any one persons word for anything.

Also, in before "This was just a troll/experiment" post.

Well, yeah, swearing isn't anywhere near as frowned-upon in a college or university setting as it is in a secondary school.

Albatross do you not understand the concept of a high metabolic rate?

I'm fed up with this, the Internet isn't particularly a good way to convey ones intelligence. I used to play in the Sussex chess team got scouted for England. My logical thinking and forethinking isn't flawed. The media to portray my emotions and intelligence is, it's a pity as sarcasm is my specialty.

Another thing that bother me is your general lack of understanding and degenerate comments, being an Adult has no merit over a "child" or young adult as the law classifies me as. It's just a general go to for people who have no answer for mine.

Your just another who's been sucked into media portrayed opinions. Answer me another thing, do you have personal experience of a High functioning Autistic child?

Chess isn't necessarily a measure of ones intelligence. One can be very good at Chess and incredibly bad at other things. It is a good measure of how good one is at chess though.

I see that you have things so badly that you can play a hobby that requires a high level of disposable income, have a PS3, and an internet connection and the time to post on hobby forums. Truly a modern day Oliver Twist.

Ahtman wrote:Chess isn't necessarily a measure of ones intelligence. One can be very good at Chess and incredibly bad at other things. It is a good measure of how good one is at chess though.

Precisely, I suck at chess yet I'm a super-genius.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Chess isn't necessarily a measure of ones intelligence. One can be very good at Chess and incredibly bad at other things. It is a good measure of how good one is at chess though.

Precisely, I suck at chess yet I'm a super-genius.

I believe part of this...

InquisitorVaron wrote:Albatross do you not understand the concept of a high metabolic rate?

I'm fed up with this, the Internet isn't particularly a good way to convey ones intelligence. I used to play in the Sussex chess team got scouted for England. My logical thinking and forethinking isn't flawed. The media to portray my emotions and intelligence is, it's a pity as sarcasm is my specialty.

Welcome to the internet. Where all playing fields are levelled, and anyone can claim to be anything.

I have sympathy, as I've stated before, but seriously, grow up kid. Consider that maybe you DON'T know everything. That maybe, there might be people out there of equivalent or superior intelligence. Just because people disagree does not make them stupid or even wrong.

For the record, Albatross is a relatively intelligent bloke, I've met him in person. I might disagree with him on one or two things, but he has a perfectly good grasp of logic and reason. In demeaning him, you're simply reflecting badly on yourself.

InquisitorVaron wrote:Albatross do you not understand the concept of a high metabolic rate?

Yes, but my credulity is frankly a little stretched in this case - you do realise that 3500 calories is an inordinately large amount of calories for an average sized adult male to consume, don't you? That comes in at just a cheeseburger under what the average Royal Marine consumes during the longest and most grueling training regime in NATO, if memory serves. Matty? Is that about right? It just seems like too large a requirement for it not to be a specific medical requirement, something which your school should have been made aware of, and, if they haven't, isn't really their fault.

I'm fed up with this, the Internet isn't particularly a good way to convey ones intelligence.

You can't really blame the medium - the tools are all there, you just have to use them. Take some time to compose your posts in a coherent manner, make points, state them clearly, pay attention to spelling and grammar. Read some posts by people like Dogma, sebster, biccat or ShumaGorath - they articulate themselves with wit and alacrity. I mean, presumably you consider yourself more intelligent than I, yet I have no problems posting coherently. Er, substance abuse permitting, of course.

I used to play in the Sussex chess team got scouted for England. My logical thinking and forethinking isn't flawed.

See, I would dispute that. You should know that writing well helps to convey intelligence. Not that anyone would have given a gak had you not announced yourself on this forum by giving it 'the big I AM' and informing us all of your genius. I mean, you compared yourself to Albert Einstein in a post that looked like it had been written by a hyperactive 12 year-old! It's the internet! How are people not supposed to jump on that? You probably just think I'm being mean to you for no reason, and to be fair, I am quite mean. There is a part of me that genuinely enjoys cruelty. I enjoy stomping on people who are puffed up with a massive sense of their own self-importance, because I find that sort of attitude repellent. I like yanking chains. However, it has nothing to do with your age or your autism, or even your predicament as such. I'm generally a sweetheart to most people, and I would not have been unsympathetic to your situation had your approach been different. However, you've hitherto come across as (not necessarily saying that you ARE this) arrogant, immature and nowhere near as intelligent as you seem to think you are, which is frankly a red rag to the bull that is Dakka's OT forum. You're lucky it was just my back that you got up! You could have had Monster Rain on your case, then you'd be fethed!

The media to portray my emotions and intelligence is, it's a pity as sarcasm is my specialty.

Oh, I'm sure it is.

Another thing that bother me is your general lack of understanding and degenerate comments, being an Adult has no merit over a "child" or young adult as the law classifies me as. It's just a general go to for people who have no answer for mine.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the law classifies you as a Minor, meaning you're not legally old enough to be responsible for yourself, a fact which is directly linked to my having pointed it out. You are a minor, they are adults with a duty of care towards you. That means you don't get to make the rules. That also means that if you break the rules there will be consequences, ones which you clearly understand, but seem to disregard as unfair. You seem to be either hostile or dismissive towards criticism of any kind, and you seem hyper-defensive, so it's not surprising that you see punishment as 'unfair' and arbitrary. Have you ever stopped to examine your behaviour? I mean, like, ever? Do you think it could be a factor?

Your just another who's been sucked into media portrayed opinions. Answer me another thing, do you have personal experience of a High functioning Autistic child?

If you'd bothered to read my previous posts you'd know that I have, and that my opinions of Autism are based on both my personal experience and the daily experiences of those closest to me. I think you're just copping out because there's a grain of truth in what I say and your ego can't handle it. That's cool though, we all do that from time to time.

So in affect this now comes down to reputation, I bow out because i'm already plotting and scouring loop holes for eventual release of the school contract.

I just don't like Internet debates as my words are more powerful than whatever font this is written in.

Ketara wrote:
For the record, Albatross is a relatively intelligent bloke, I've met him in person.

Well, gee thanks a fething bunch, buddy! Mind that you don't bump your head whilst you're stooping to conquer, yeah?

I might disagree with him on one or two things..

I don't recall us ever really disagreeing on much apart from, perhaps, witchcraft.



....Now that is a strange fething sentence right there!


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InquisitorVaron wrote:So in affect this now comes down to reputation...

No. Attitude. Also, facts.

I bow out because i'm already plotting and scouring loop holes for eventual release of the school contract.

Can't your parents just request a transfer?

I just don't like Internet debates as my words are more powerful than whatever font this is written in.

All our words are in the same font, and I don't mean that in a philosophical way. They are literally the same.

InquisitorVaron wrote: i'm already plotting and scouring loop holes for eventual release of the school contract.

I'm pretty sure the correct term for inmates is you're looking for a technicality for your lawyer to use to get an early release from your correctional facility. Allegedly.

I'll note that you never answered my questions above.

Albatross wrote:

Ketara wrote:
For the record, Albatross is a relatively intelligent bloke, I've met him in person.

Well, gee thanks a fething bunch, buddy! Mind that you don't bump your head whilst you're stooping to conquer, yeah?

Well, you were standing next to Matty whilst he was pissed.....

I jest, I jest.

Hell no.

Kids with palsy or any other disease should be homeschooled and cared for by the parents that created them.

I do not want to care for a child that has no chance of contributing anything to society, sorry. I've seen the kids at schools that can't even speak coherently, or talk at all for that matter, and that simply can't be fixed by simple schooling.

I sound very harsh, but its not something that the government should be involved in by any means.

Karon wrote:I do not want to care for a child that has no chance of contributing anything to society, sorry.

I think you really, really need to do some reading into what these conditions are, and how with the right teaching methods they can become productive, and even exceptional members of society.

I sound very harsh, but its not something that the government should be involved in by any means.

And I'd just like to point out how grateful I am that your opinion is shared by almost no-one on the planet other than yourself.

Albatross wrote:
Yes, but my credulity is frankly a little stretched in this case - you do realise that 3500 calories is an inordinately large amount of calories for an average sized adult male to consume, don't you?

Eh, 3500 calories isn't beyond the pale for an active teenager, I burned about 6000 per day when I was 16, and heavily invested into football. Its difficult to really determine an optimum rate of calorie consumption for teenagers, as it varies widely with growth. The general rule of thumb is "If the kid is hungry, he should eat."


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InquisitorVaron wrote:
I just don't like Internet debates as my words are more powerful than whatever font this is written in.

You're dragonborn?

dogma wrote:

Albatross wrote:
Yes, but my credulity is frankly a little stretched in this case - you do realise that 3500 calories is an inordinately large amount of calories for an average sized adult male to consume, don't you?

Eh, 3500 calories isn't beyond the pale for an active teenager, I burned about 6000 per day when I was 16, and heavily invested into football. Its difficult to really determine an optimum rate of calorie consumption for teenagers, as it varies widely with growth. The general rule of thumb is "If the kid is hungry, he should eat."

Well to be fair, I don't have much to go on in this case. We don't know what Varon's level of activity is, for one thing. It still sounds like a pretty large requirement to me if he isn't involved in regular sporting activity.

He is. He plays competitive chess.

kronk wrote:He is. He plays competitive chess.

Yeah 3500 is pretty high like, we used to have four square meals a day during basic (egg, chips and burgers at 2100hrs!) and I think we were meant to be eating about 4500.

But thats working towards a green beret, not playing chess and going on the internet.

My right arm easily burns through 2000 calories during certain internet sessions...


...online chess is competitive, yo!