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Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

That is, quite possibly, one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Science is as incomplete as when it started. For every awnser there are 200 questions. Your logic is beyond faulty if you feel that you can get truth from a textbook. Philosophy can be very childish, and foolhardy, true. But in the end, it is the only way we can ever find awnsers.

EDIT: Science is based upon philosophy. Try thinking.

Tlo1048 wrote:

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

That is, quite possibly, one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Science is as incomplete as when it started. For every awnser there are 200 questions. Your logic is beyond faulty if you feel that you can get truth from a textbook. Philosophy can be very childish, and foolhardy, true. But in the end, it is the only way we can ever find awnsers.

Well that's bs for a start.
Science has given us medicine, a life expectancy twice that of our grandparents, a standard of life inconceivable even 100 years ago, a feth load more people around.
What has philosophy given us? I'm being serious. Give me a single thing that is better as a result of philosophy.
Even if you did, it'd be irrelevant. The good that science has given humanity is inconceivable. Every single aspect of our existence is improved because of it.
Philosophy is just an outlet for people with an infantile obsession with their own existence, given cadence by the fact that in ancient times scientific and philosophers were indistinguishable. Thankfully, we've moved on from those times.

Joey wrote:

Tlo1048 wrote:

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

That is, quite possibly, one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Science is as incomplete as when it started. For every awnser there are 200 questions. Your logic is beyond faulty if you feel that you can get truth from a textbook. Philosophy can be very childish, and foolhardy, true. But in the end, it is the only way we can ever find awnsers.

Well that's bs for a start.
Science has given us medicine, a life expectancy twice that of our grandparents, a standard of life inconceivable even 100 years ago, a feth load more people around.
What has philosophy given us? I'm being serious. Give me a single thing that is better as a result of philosophy.
Even if you did, it'd be irrelevant. The good that science has given humanity is inconceivable. Every single aspect of our existence is improved because of it.
Philosophy is just an outlet for people with an infantile obsession with their own existence, given cadence by the fact that in ancient times scientific and philosophers were indistinguishable. Thankfully, we've moved on from those times.

Hahahaha, that is barely logical.
Where did science originate? Philosophy. How does science build? Philosophy.
Logically, if science gave us all of those things, then why can't we combat AIDS, Cancer, and what not? Every time we "advance" humanity, we take 10 steps backwards.
Unfortunately, we have moved on from those times...which is why we have so little logic in our world.

EDIT: These leaps and bounds you speak of are significant, yes. But we still dont understand MILLIONS of ideas, which makes humanity as infantile as it started.

Joey wrote:

Tlo1048 wrote:

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

That is, quite possibly, one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Science is as incomplete as when it started. For every awnser there are 200 questions. Your logic is beyond faulty if you feel that you can get truth from a textbook. Philosophy can be very childish, and foolhardy, true. But in the end, it is the only way we can ever find awnsers.

Well that's bs for a start.
Science has given us medicine, a life expectancy twice that of our grandparents, a standard of life inconceivable even 100 years ago, a feth load more people around.
What has philosophy given us? I'm being serious. Give me a single thing that is better as a result of philosophy.
Even if you did, it'd be irrelevant. The good that science has given humanity is inconceivable. Every single aspect of our existence is improved because of it.
Philosophy is just an outlet for people with an infantile obsession with their own existence, given cadence by the fact that in ancient times scientific and philosophers were indistinguishable. Thankfully, we've moved on from those times.

Philosophy has given us Aristotle, Karl Marx, Arthur Schopenhauer, Friedrich Nietzsche, Lao Tzu, John Locke, Immanuel Kant, Jean-Paul Sartre and many other great minds.

Hahaha although I dont see Marx or Nietzsche, or even Kant as being that great IMO, you have a point.

I dislike them personally, but they were indeed "Great Minds".

Tlo1048 wrote:Hahaha although I dont see Marx or Nietzsche, or even Kant as being that great IMO, you have a point.

I dislike them personally, but they were indeed "Great Minds".

Some of there ideas weren't the greatest I'll agree with that and I didn't want list the things they did because I would have been all day on how philosophy has shaped science, politics society, economics, etc.

Also I just named the first philosophers that came off my head some of there work is so out there for me, I have no clue what they're talking about. Oh, and how could I forget Plato.

Cheesecat wrote:

Tlo1048 wrote:Hahaha although I dont see Marx or Nietzsche, or even Kant as being that great IMO, you have a point.

I dislike them personally, but they were indeed "Great Minds".

Some of there ideas weren't the greatest I'll agree with that and I didn't want list the things they did because I would have been all day on how philosophy has shaped science, politics society, economics, etc.

Also I just named the first philosophers that came off my head some of there work is so out there for me, I have no clue what they're talking about. Oh, and how could I forget Plato.

Hahaha good ol Plato haha xD

Agreed.

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

Philosophy is based entirely around logical deduction. You can't use science to find the answers one would through philosophy. Science doesn't concern itself with concepts like the existence of 'thought' or 'justice.'

In other words, you have a gross misunderstanding of philosophy and science.

Oh, and feth Plato.

Tlo1048 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

Tlo1048 wrote:Hahaha although I dont see Marx or Nietzsche, or even Kant as being that great IMO, you have a point.

I dislike them personally, but they were indeed "Great Minds".

Some of there ideas weren't the greatest I'll agree with that and I didn't want list the things they did because I would have been all day on how philosophy has shaped science, politics society, economics, etc.

Also I just named the first philosophers that came off my head some of there work is so out there for me, I have no clue what they're talking about. Oh, and how could I forget Plato.

Hahaha good ol Plato haha xD

Agreed.

Not to be confused with...

Fafnir wrote:

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

Philosophy is based entirely around logical deduction. You can't use science to find the answers one would through philosophy. Science doesn't concern itself with concepts like the existence of 'thought' or 'justice.'

In other words, you have a gross misunderstanding of philosophy and science.

Oh, and feth Plato.

Lol.

I've been around long enough to know that this world does not revolve in black and white. There have been recorded instances, throughout history, that defy the efforts of science to define them...

So what does that leave us with? Well if you believe in defining everything in black and white then if it cannot be defined by science then it doesn't exist...and that's just ignorant.

There is a grey area that defies explanation, this area has been attempted to be explained by religion, faith, superstition and philosophy. They all serve to give answers to questions we cannot answer with evidence in different and often contradicting ways.

Philosophy is for people who want to look deeper than just what they can prove and seek answers for what they cannot.

As for whether the world will end...at some point or another I suppose it has to. But I think it is beyond human minds to predict when and where and how.

Many have probably seen this before. I do find it funny one is debating against the importance of philosophy. Irony....

WARORK93 wrote:
Philosophy is for people who want to look deeper than just what they can prove and seek answers for what they cannot.

Actually, in philosophy, you DO have to prove your arguments. Otherwise they're invalid. Anything you can't prove is just an opinion, and has no place in philosophy.

I think, come what may, humanity will exist for a very, very long time.. how much of it continues existing, I am not sure. Probably gonna be a lot of death in my lifetime, especially when the oil crisis really hits the proverbial fan alongside the excrement.

How long humanity has?

well whats start the decline?

Massive astriods...its pretty damn big sky
Plague? Can you make it 28 Days
WWIII with nuclear?
Ice caps melt? now we're at water world level
Ice Age?
Resource exhaustion?...hence WWIII
Nature itself turns against us?

Jihadin wrote:How long humanity has?

well whats start the decline?

Massive astriods...its pretty damn big sky
Plague? Can you make it 28 Days
WWIII with nuclear?
Ice caps melt? now we're at water world level
Ice Age?
Resource exhaustion?...hence WWIII
Nature itself turns against us?

Despite all this, I believe humans will survive it somehow. The world's a big place.

Frankly, I hope we've mentally and culturally evolved sufficiently to be able to avoid such horrific disasters as conflict amongst ourselves.

What we need is a united world. No, don't need anyone reminding me of how incredibly unlikely that is.

Think a world gov't possible...I think most countries will try to keep it together while smaller countries align with larger countries on their border

Like Neitherlands Holland and Belguim aligning with either Germany or....France
UK...well UK is a pretty big island
US, Canada, and Mexico
South America
Australia....its a damn big island but probaly take Phillapines, Malayasia well..south pacific
Japan, South Korea, China....we find out like 5 yrs later with whoever is left
Russia....well....here we go again with the USSR


just a few

Think resource is going to be a drivng factor on nations

Jihadin wrote:Think a world gov't possible...I think most countries will try to keep it together while smaller countries align with larger countries on their border

Like Neitherlands Holland and Belguim aligning with either Germany or....France
UK...well UK is a pretty big island
US, Canada, and Mexico
South America
Australia....its a damn big island but probaly take Phillapines, Malayasia well..south pacific
Japan, South Korea, China....we find out like 5 yrs later with whoever is left
Russia....well....here we go again with the USSR


just a few

Think resource is going to be a drivng factor on nations

Well it'll only take one idiot behind a couple hundred nukes to screw up the whole "gak guys, we need to help each other" plan.

Then we go tribal...so be resources and females as the driving force. Everyone avoid the middle east. Putin I think will keep his finger hovering over the button though same as US...Actuallly we would have to really worry abot India and Pakistan going at it I think

Here I was hoping we woudl be talking about Philosophy.

You know, like what is real? What does it mean to be human? What is the purpose and definition of beauty? That kind of stuff.

Joey wrote:Philosophy is for people too stupid for science.
Sorry, but it's true. Want answers to things? Look in a textbook.

Yeah like Plato, Kant, Jung. What a bunch of r-tards.

I'm nt greek though

As for a warning sign. Well the financial situations of a lot of countries. Possible Iran/Isreal War with a nuke, and humans making human mistakes lately...Its a coming. 5-10 yrs. Think Financial be the one to get us all

One thing that's for sure, is that if humans didn't have civilisation we'd survive a lot longer.

Fafnir wrote:
Philosophy is based entirely around logical deduction. You can't use science to find the answers one would through philosophy. Science doesn't concern itself with concepts like the existence of 'thought' or 'justice.'

Yeah because those things are irrelevant. Philosophy was invented so middle class kids would be able to doss around their entire life. The poor make do with media studies.

Fafnir wrote:
In other words, you have a gross misunderstanding of philosophy and science.

Oh, and feth Plato.

philosophy is concerned with things that scientists find beneath them. Abstract, pointless things. Childish whimsies.

Be no internet, PS3's, Xbox360's, Warhammer, or the other goodies we're use to if there were no civilization infrastructure

Scientists still get depressed and kill themselves so they clearly don't have all the answers. Stupid people seem to be happier in general.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Scientists still get depressed and kill themselves so they clearly don't have all the answers. Stupid people seem to be happier in general.

Which begs the question...

Is it better to be ignorant and innocent, with no knowledge of the world and have the blessing of being happily oblivious...

or is it better to know, to be intelligent and well versed at the expense of having your soul ripped apart by the knowledge that the world is cruel?

It's better to be ignorant, otherwise nobody would drink or anything of the sort.

Scientists still get depressed and kill themselves so they clearly don't have all the answers. Stupid people seem to be happier in general

Whew...good thing it didn't happen to Daniel
McKay I wasn't so sure on..think he was going for a cardiac arrest at times
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