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H.B.M.C. wrote:Dakka belongs to the haters huh? That's hilarious.




Anyway, Jabba the Slyth. I'm liking it more and more as I look at it. Is that thing meant to be able to fly?

Not very well, more like being able to launch itself after stuff it wants to eat.


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RatBot wrote:Seeing these larger pictures, nothing here is particularly bad. The Jabberslythe is pretty awesome, and I like the Mangler Squig... THe Cygor/Ghorgon is...not terrible. Not great, but not bad. The skulls on the Ghorgon are a bit over the top, but then again, these are Warhammer minis.

Remember that the Ghorgon is probably as close to a physical embodiment of Khorne as you can get in Warhammer fantasy without being a Bloodthirster. I do agree that the skulls are a little bit over the top, and I will probably leave some of them off, but I still like the overall feel of the model. It could be a little bit more beefy though, as it actually has the statline to support it. I at least know I will greenstuff some extra mouths on the legs and/or belly to make it look more mutated and sinister, like the art in the armybook described.

Worglock wrote:Because this forum obviously belongs to the haters and anyone that doesn't agree with them is a dirty troll and should be banned.

Nah, you must be thinking of Warseer

I really like the Jabber (shame it's failcast) and the plastic cows are good enough, apart from the heads.

Dice Monkey wrote:So with all the lolling tongues and parking cone teeth I assume Trish sculpted these things.

Yeah, that's how I see it as well. Trish isn't an especially good sculptor, but they keep giving her these things to do. Whatever happened to Aly Morrison anyway?

I cannot see them in advance order on GW Uk's page :(

It is because it didn't work so they have taken it down again temporarily.

I NEED that book!

scipio.au wrote:

Dice Monkey wrote:So with all the lolling tongues and parking cone teeth I assume Trish sculpted these things.

Yeah, that's how I see it as well. Trish isn't an especially good sculptor, but they keep giving her these things to do. Whatever happened to Aly Morrison anyway?

When they divorced, he had to move out of GW.

But seriously, I'd like to know that too.

I'll probably skip the plastic hugemen, but get the Jabberslythe. Since it's finecast, fixing the pseudo fur will be easy and it's an otherwise great looking model.

Nothing here that would bring me back to Fantasy, and I am starting to wonder if Trish is trying anymore, seems she has lost her way when sculpted beasts of late.

I know a couple of folks like it, but I really can't stand the not-jabberwocky thing she has created.

I think the best model for me is the Cygor, just like it for some reason.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Dakka belongs to the haters huh?

Or the fanboys.

Or so we're told.

*shrugs* ?

We seem to have moved from from the exciting and character building detour we took for a few posts on page one, let's keep that particular diversion in the past and moving onwards and upwards, towards a bright new future and hitherto unexplored pointless arguments that give us all that special feeling deep inside.

.. course that might be cancer . Who knows ?

Fun finding out anyway. ..

.. or something.

Mr. Morrison does still work for GW as a sculptor.

Scuttlebutt is quite positive about this book and I'm always pleased to see expansions roll out for games. Hope they do more.

That Nurgle mount is a great idea by the way MGS, even though I'm not a fan of the model, I could see it with a Nurgle Chaos Lord on the back.

I'd have liked it to have lost a few pounds to use as its current model though, seems too thick in places, well to me anyways. Maybe I'm being influenced by the Terry Gilliam film.

I actually quite like all the models. Don't love them, but they're good.

It seems to me, and I don't know if it is just me, but most of the latest Warhammer large kits seem to look really square and cubic recently, even if they are not, I can't put my finger on what it is - maybe the lines are too hard. The Jabberslyth to a certain extent, definitely the doombull, but I also thought the big new ogre monsters (thundertusk) were as well.

Sidstyler wrote:
If someone wants to explain their reasoning and go into detail about what in particular makes these kits "gorgeous", especially when compared to some of the offerings in Maelstrom's Banebeasts line for example, I'll listen, and I'm genuinely interested in hearing about it. I explained (mostly in the other thread) what bothers me about the ghorgon/cygor kit in particular so I feel like I've done my part here as far as that goes.

But like I said, yeah, it was a trollish thing to do and I apologize to Mewiththeface (or "mewface" as I typically read it) if he was offended.

I'm yo huckleberry.

1) The model matchs the stature set by the artwork in the book. The Ghorgon is a big ol 4 armed goon with hooks/cleavers and he's got horns and he eats people as he rampages around like he got into Chris Benoits private anabolics stash. The CyGor is a one eyed minotaur thing that throws a big rock. The proportions are decent. The models have character, The Jabberslythe is just bloody nuts.

That said, if the Banebeasts stuff floats your boat better, go for it. Find the model you like and make it yours. You are the only person that answers to your hobby choices, so make the best one for you. The best choice for me is always going to be GW until some lion of capitalism opens a shop in Westminster, Md. (Preferably at the Westminster Mall or nearby.)

The Beastmen Jabberslythe...£40

Worglock wrote:Just for the record, the same people, posting the same broken record GW bashing in every thread the comes along is "haters gonna hate". Period.

Oh, boo hoo. You're just as deep into the gutter as the rest of them, don't go taking on airs.

That Blood In the Badlands book looks like the kind of hobby supplement I loved as a young 'un, and I'm pretty pumped for it now, too.

Worglock wrote:The Ghorgon is a big ol 4 armed goon with hooks/cleavers and he's got horns and he eats people as he rampages around like he got into Chris Benoits private anabolics stash.

Yeah because making jokes regarding a fella who murdered his wife and 7yr old son makes you a hero.

You could have said the same thing about dozens of professional wrestlers, or various other sports stars in general, but you go for the one that deserves to be forgotten about, nice, real classy, but I suppose that tells me all I need to know.

Alright, since you guys seem to have missed RedS8n's message, let me re-iterate.

STOP NEEDLING EACH OTHER.

If you want to talk about nothing but GW 'hate' vs 'apology', go find a thread in the OT forum, I'm sure you can dig one up.

For those of you who have already posted 4 or 5 times in this 2 page thread, give it up. You said your piece, now move on. I will consider it flaming if you keep coming back to re-iterate your off topic points.

Talk about the models please, or the rules. Warnings will now begin to flow in earnest otherwise.

If anybody on this site has earned the right to criticise GW, then it's me. I given the hobby 25+ years and two marriages. I've painted miniatures on 4 continents!
Forgive the Brian Cox impression in the bourne films, but these models are really poor. The designers look as though they were on autopilot at the time, and the pricetag... oh dear. Check the calender - is it the first of april?

Not a fan of the models, but I'll probably buy the book.

My biggest beef with the Cygor is that the design doesn't fit the lore. A Cygor can't see the material world, so it has trouble finding conventional prey. A minotaur might club a bear and bite it's head off, but the Cygor can barely even see the bear unless it's a magic bear. Their chief form of sustenance is the souls of those who wield magic.

Therefore unlike the Ghorgon which is constantly devouring anything it can find, the Cygor should be emaciated or at the very least thin. GW by giving these two models a shared kit has created a model that doesn't really fit either.

Mangler squigs look pretty good, but sculpting them in failcast is well, a giant fail. I'm not sure there's much in the new rulebook that will call me back to WHFB.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I given the hobby 25+ years and two marriages.

What about your firstborn?

I neither love nor hate the new Beastie models. I do hate GWS right now, though. The campaign book is limited time? I really want it, but I couldn't afford it without taking money out of savings (don't like!), I'd be really bummed to miss out on it though, as my gaming group has been aching for a "siege" type of game for Fantasy.

But forget everything but the book! The megaforces are $215, seriously GWS, are you trying to get my girlfriend to kill me? I'm seriously tempted to take money out for that, I thought it was going to be at least fifty dollars more. I highly doubt it, but does anyone know if they'll be available through the warstore?

Chowderhead wrote:<snip>

Blood in the Badlands is a campaign system for Warhammer that enables you to unleash your army against your foes and carve out a corner of the notorious Badlands for yourself. As well as the campaign system itself, the book contains rules that can be used in any Warhammer game, form massive multi-player scenarios featuring new magic items and spells, rules for underground battles and a complete siege expansion. Blood in the Badlands also features the tale of eight intrepid hobbyists as they play the campaign, including detailed battle reports, glorious army showcases and turn-by-turn accounts of their expanding empires.

This 96-page full-colour hardback Warhammer Supplement contains rules for siege battles in Warhammer, underground battles, new scenarios, magic items and Cataclysm spells. It also has a full set of rules that can be used with the Mighty Empires expansion set.

You will need a copy of Warhammer to use the contents of this book.

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The bit about the Mighty Empires rules is particularly interesting, not to mention timely, as we are in the process of getting a ME campaign going at the FLGS.

Definitely getting this. Even if it is obviously just a ploy by GW to sell old siege towers and fortress kits, right?

The Ghorgon will make a nice keeper of secrets

Worglock wrote:1) The model matchs the stature set by the artwork in the book. The Ghorgon is a big ol 4 armed goon with hooks/cleavers and he's got horns and he eats people as he rampages around like he got into Chris Benoits private anabolics stash. The CyGor is a one eyed minotaur thing that throws a big rock. The proportions are decent. The models have character, The Jabberslythe is just bloody nuts.

Fair enough. The jabberslythe also bothers me the least out of all of them, my only real problem there being the scales like I mentioned. I don't like how GW puts out kits like this that look like they're supposed to have scales, but don't because they couldn't be bothered to tediously make all of them, so they compromise by making little scale patches and saying "You get the idea! Where's our money?"

I understand why they would do that, though. They only have so many sculptors, and each one likely has a ton of projects they're working on at the same time, with strict deadlines to meet. That right there probably explains why we're getting so many sub-par kits (or at least in my opinion they're sub-par). I just wanted to get that out of the way so people will know that I understand corporate is asking their sculptors for a lot. That said though, GW should probably get a few more sculptors if getting these things out quickly is such a high priority: lessen the burden on the ones they have and give us better kits as a result, hopefully. And I think that's probably what they're doing, since one of the sculptors working on the Maelstrom Banebeasts got hired by GW recently, along with one of the former Rackham sculptors if I'm not mistaken (or were they the same guy?).

As for the ghorgon I'm starting to think most of the problems I have with the kit are probably due more to the limitations of making it a 2-in-1 with the cygor. The cygor looks a little better in the 360 view, but the ghorgon just looks a bit odd with the extra arms tacked on and no other noticeable "bulk" to go with it (and the pot belly is still weird in my opinion...especially the fact that it looks like it still has muscle sculpted on it and that makes no sense). Although the minotaur heads I'm still not fond of, and I still think they go way overboard on skulls (which is a point I think I'm forced to concede because it's what GW does and they will only get worse apparently). Not to say that I don't like skull trophies or anything, I think they're awesome and for an army like Beastmen I'd be surprised if there weren't any, but I think it's going a little too far when you have a complete skeleton tangled up in a monster's fur, really. :\

Hopefully this post is still considered on-topic and mostly non-confrontational, I'm trying to tone things down a bit. On an off-topic note though, does it mean I'm going to hell if I laugh at Chris Benoit jokes?

I think it's more an aesthetic choice on the scales.

It might be, I dunno. Maybe I got it all wrong.

I like the Jabberslythe.

I get the impression that the patches of scales are meant to be reminiscent of toads, which are covered in lumps and bumps among areas that are rather smooth.

It is something that I could be interested in, in the future.

I think that the Cygor/Ghorgon kit suffers from the biggest flaw the Minotaurs have...poor paintjobs. Oh, sure I can't paint that technically well, but they look terrible. Giving Minotaurs a decent paintjob goes a long ways towards respectability. Also, they have horrible hands (check out the Doombull).


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@ Sid: I think you have succeeded at toning it down. I, for one, appreciate the efforts to have an adult conversation. Thanks

I want to really like the Mangler Squig, and I do think it's kind of cool, but I can't get this nagging thought out of my head everytime I see it.

"57.75USD.... 57.75USD.... 57.75USD"