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Rented Tritium wrote:

Tyyr wrote:
If she wanted attention there are other ways to go about it.

Like, idk, being a porn star

There is no such thing as bad press they say, and some people crave attention. If anything I am giving her credit for being media savvy.

Rented Tritium wrote:
You implied that she was either stupid or seeking attention by READING TO CHILDREN, then called a legal profession enjoyed by millions "prostitution", a common sexist pejorative for women who exercise agency over their sex lives.

No. He's saying that how could she not see this coming? She's a porn star. Of course there's going to be feedback.

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

It's only a step away from prostitution. And a small step at that.

Rented Tritium wrote:then called a legal and profession enjoyed by millions "prostitution"

I know that this may be hard for some of you to grasp, but I'm being more critical of society by calling her that then of her. Don't misconstrue my feelings, I think she is unattractive and does terrible films (I don't mean porn, I mean her films specifically), but it is her choice to do them. My problem is that if you get paid to have sex on film you are a 'porn star', but if you get paid to have sex without a film crew, you are just a prostitute; one is legal becuase a camera crew is there, and the other is not.

Also:

Pyriel wrote:
]What KC! she's done with that!.... *sobs quietly* ...'done' with that! i'm going back to school now! ......

Dude, you dont even have colour TV where you come from but who knows, if you redo school there might be some by the time you come out again

Anyway, this link on the topic is way more fun:
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=i_hate_sasha

Maddox for the win!

Damn you Pyriel *shakes fist in the air* I shouldn't shake it around so provacatively if sasha's around! .... and my t.v is colour! I know her surname isn't what she should appear on my 1950's hamster powered picture device!

kronk wrote:
No. He's saying that how could she not see this coming? She's a porn star. Of course there's going to be feedback.

And she's saying that because she sees it coming, she MUST be seeking attention. There's no middle ground where you don't care because you know those people are wrong and you are just doing your thing. You are either seeking attention by purposefully going against the grain or you are STUPID. His post does not allow for her to take ANY high ground. That is how it is sexist.

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

It's only a step away from prostitution. And a small step at that.

Yeah except for the whole millions of people enjoy porn and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it thing. Except that.

Rented Tritium wrote:And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

That is a nice guess, but sadly wrong. Would you like to try again, and this time put some thought into the answer?

Ahtman wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:then called a legal and profession enjoyed by millions "prostitution"

I know that this may be hard for some of you to grasp, but I'm being more critical of society by calling her that then of her. Don't misconstrue my feelings, I think she is unattractive and does terrible films (I don't mean porn, I mean her films specifically), but it is her choice to do them. My problem is that if you get paid to have sex on film you are a 'porn star', but if you get paid to have sex without a film crew, you are just a prostitute; one is legal becuase a camera crew is there, and the other is not.

You're right. Prostitution should be legal.

Also:
white knight

Yes, having strong opinions about something that you are talking bad about makes me a white knight. Now you're dehumanizing me, too. My actual opinions as a person don't matter anymore, I'm just swooping in and defending her because she's a damsel. Yay more subtle sexism!

:rolleyes:


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Ahtman wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

That is a nice guess, but sadly wrong. Would you like to try again, and this time put some thought into the answer?

Fill me in then. Why else would one feel shame at their sister's activities? The one I said was the nicest one.

Rented Tritium wrote:My actual opinions as a person don't matter anymore, I'm just swooping in and defending her because she's a damsel. Yay more subtle sexism!:rolleyes:

You sure like to make things up, put words in other peoples mouths, and misread statements, don't you? I still think you have no idea what sexism is, as you keep misusing the the term.

Rented Tritium wrote:

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

No. It comes from having self respect. Nice try, though.

Rented Tritium wrote:

kronk wrote:
No. He's saying that how could she not see this coming? She's a porn star. Of course there's going to be feedback.

And she's saying that because she sees it coming, she MUST be seeking attention. There's no middle ground where you don't care because you know those people are wrong and you are just doing your thing. You are either seeking attention by purposefully going against the grain or you are STUPID. His post does not allow for her to take ANY high ground. That is how it is sexist.

Man. That's totally NOT what sexist means. Where did you go to school? Were you home schooled?

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

No. It comes from having self respect. Nice try, though.

Explain to me, like I'm an idiot, how having sex on film for money means you have no self respect.


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Ahtman wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:My actual opinions as a person don't matter anymore, I'm just swooping in and defending her because she's a damsel. Yay more subtle sexism!:rolleyes:

You sure like to make things up, put words in other peoples mouths, and misread statements, don't you? I still think you have no idea what sexism is, as you keep misusing the the term.

Hey, you posted a white knight picture, not me. Are you seriously blind to the subtext of "white knight"?

Rented Tritium wrote:

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

No. It comes from having self respect. Nice try, though.

Explain to me, like I'm an idiot, how having sex on film for money means you have no self respect.

Wow. Just...wow. Carry on, oh great white knight.

This thread is goin g to be closed very soon, I see.

Rented Tritium,

Is someone close to you a porn star? We seem to have hit a nerve.

Subtlety failed then.

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

Being a porn star is legal. I grant you that. But I'd be ashamed of my sister if she became one. Just like I'd bitch her out if she did something for Girls Gone Wild.

And where does that shame come from? It comes from you knowing what other people will say.

No. It comes from having self respect. Nice try, though.

Explain to me, like I'm an idiot, how having sex on film for money means you have no self respect.

Wow. Just...wow. Carry on, oh great white knight.

No, seriously. I'm really dumb. Please connect the dots for me.

See, I just cannot see an actual connection beyond anecdotal correlation connecting doing porn to not having self respect. I want you to explain it to me.

This is the point where we realize that RT is not a reasonable on the subject, and to further feed him would be a senseless waste of time. He is so blinded on the subject that any reasonable discussion is a fools errand, as he seems to be the opposite end of the spectrum of those who want the industry shut down; instead of absolute destruction he seeks absolute acceptance.

Castiel wrote: Subtlety failed then.

Meh. I haven't seen any personal attacks, yet.

Just spirited conversation.

kronk wrote:Rented Tritium,

Is someone close to you a porn star? We seem to have hit a nerve.

There are women close to me.

When you imply that they have less agency than other people because of their career choices, you hit a nerve.

While it's bad that she is being... attacked for trying to do something good simply because of her background she should know that people's view on porn isn't exactly... accepting. Parents least of all.
Though if my sister was a porn star i would find that freaking hilarious...

Damn you Pyriel *shakes fist in the air* I shouldn't shake it around so provacatively if sasha's around!

Well that all depends on where you put your fist in the first place but do keep shaking...

No. It comes from having self respect. Nice try, though.

Self respect is a subjective thing. If you think being nude is not having self respect doesnt mean another person does.

Hey, you posted a white knight picture, not me. Are you seriously blind to the subtext of "white knight"?

Why anybody would be white-knighting on an only male forum is beyond me lol

It's only a step away from prostitution. And a small step at that.

A lot of "normal" dating can just as well be considered a form of prostitution or actually even worse, fraud, but nobody looses their self respect over that.

kronk wrote:

Castiel wrote: Subtlety failed then.

Meh. I haven't seen any personal attacks, yet.

Just spirited conversation.

Looks at post above the quoted one: Irony strikes again.

Rented Tritium wrote:

kronk wrote:Rented Tritium,

Is someone close to you a porn star? We seem to have hit a nerve.

There are women close to me.

When you imply that they have less agency than other people because of their career choices, you hit a nerve.

And there it is.

Thanks for explaining that. No need to discuss this with you further. You can't be reasonable about it.

Ahtman wrote:This is the point where we realize that RT is not a reasonable on the subject, and to further feed him would be a senseless waste of time. He is so blinded on the subject that any reasonable discussion is a fools errand, as he seems to be the opposite end of the spectrum of those who want the industry shut down; instead of absolute destruction he seeks absolute acceptance.

Pot, meet kettle.

Castiel wrote:

kronk wrote:

Castiel wrote: Subtlety failed then.

Meh. I haven't seen any personal attacks, yet.

Just spirited conversation.

Looks at post above the quoted one: Irony strikes again.

Try again. I was 100% on the mark, Castiel.

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:

kronk wrote:Rented Tritium,

Is someone close to you a porn star? We seem to have hit a nerve.

There are women close to me.

When you imply that they have less agency than other people because of their career choices, you hit a nerve.

And there it is.

Thanks for explaining that. No need to discuss this with you further. You can't be reasonable about it.

I could have said the same thing after you said that getting naked on film meant someone had no self respect.

I forgot about the magical morality rays that shine from your skin and remind you that you are horrible person when you expose them.


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I've explained my position on this plenty and you guys keep coming back with "HURR DURR, WHY WOULD I NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS"

Thing is, my entire point is that the anti-porn business is so deep in you socially that you couldn't explain what's bad about it if you TRIED.

Rented Tritium wrote:
I could have said the same thing after you said that getting naked on film meant someone had no self respect.

I forgot about the magical morality rays that shine from your skin and remind you that you are horrible person when you expose them.

Being a Porn Star is not something to be proud of.

They should be ashamed. Have a nice day, RT. (Added to ignore).

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:
I could have said the same thing after you said that getting naked on film meant someone had no self respect.

I forgot about the magical morality rays that shine from your skin and remind you that you are horrible person when you expose them.

Being a Porn Star is not something to be proud of.

They should be ashamed. Have a nice day, RT. (Added to ignore).

Why?

Again, I've explained my position. Please explain yours. WHY is it not something to be proud of? Explain this.

kronk wrote:

Castiel wrote:

kronk wrote:

Castiel wrote: Subtlety failed then.

Meh. I haven't seen any personal attacks, yet.

Just spirited conversation.

Looks at post above the quoted one: Irony strikes again.

Try again. I was 100% on the mark, Castiel.

Gosh, you are argumentative! I would say that saying someone is incapable of reason for having a different point of view from you was a personal attack.

Also, please don't start arguing with me just because I tried to calm down the argument and have a sensible discussion.

kronk wrote:

Rented Tritium wrote:
I could have said the same thing after you said that getting naked on film meant someone had no self respect.

I forgot about the magical morality rays that shine from your skin and remind you that you are horrible person when you expose them.

Being a Porn Star is not something to be proud of.

They should be ashamed. Have a nice day, RT. (Added to ignore).

Can i ask why?

Castiel wrote:

Ahtman wrote:This is the point where we realize that RT is not a reasonable on the subject, and to further feed him would be a senseless waste of time. He is so blinded on the subject that any reasonable discussion is a fools errand, as he seems to be the opposite end of the spectrum of those who want the industry shut down; instead of absolute destruction he seeks absolute acceptance.

Pot, meet kettle.

I'm not asking for anything more than a nuanced evaluation of a complex issue, not sure how that is the same thing at all. I don't even disagree with everything he says, just the degree to which he says it, and due to that it was obvious his stake in the discussion was more personal than just a simple discussion on the matter. Every criticism on the industry is seen as a personal attack, and means that something as simple as someone saying they wouldn't be happy if their sister were in porn translates to them shaming their sister and treating her badly, which is not what was said. It makes it difficult to hold a conversation where everything will be taken out of context and seen as an attack.