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Yeah, where's the 'nothing would stop me' or 'because I already have 2-3000 points of them' choices?

Sisters are a great and unique army, if you have the dough to get into it.

I bet if you check around on Ebay, swap shop, bartertown, etc, you can find some good deals on them. I'm in the process of selling off a bunch of extras that I bought a while back myself for about 50% retail (which makes them normal priced!).

The patience of a Saint. I can afford to wait and I still have plenty of other armies to finish off.

You forgot my reason.

I'm not going to buy a sisters army, because I've already got one

This picture?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/Hammer-and-Anvil.jpg

It's more of the same skin tight, corseted "power armor" they've always had.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wta1q_N0t0w/TZiFS8ZOvVI/AAAAAAAABdA/b-cR8a5iNz0/s1600/nr_020.jpg

As far as the Blanche art... not heels?
http://warpsignal.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/john_blanche_adeptus_sororitas.jpg
She's all but got bound feet, lol.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:This picture?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Images/Product/DefaultBL/xlarge/Hammer-and-Anvil.jpg

It's more of the same skin tight, corseted "power armor" they've always had.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wta1q_N0t0w/TZiFS8ZOvVI/AAAAAAAABdA/b-cR8a5iNz0/s1600/nr_020.jpg

As far as the Blanche art... not heels?
http://warpsignal.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/john_blanche_adeptus_sororitas.jpg
She's all but got bound feet, lol.

Since it was a kind of steel colour rather than black it looked slightly different and it doesn't seem to have the (zip?) thing on the front.

No, not at all. I agree the front bit looks like something Lady Gaga would wear but the back, the actual heel, is only, what a two inch block. Compared to some artwork for deathcult assasians where they go the whole nine yards they're not really heels in the sense you're implying. Shes wearing boots, not heels, thats the distinction I' am making.

pretre wrote:I bet if you check around on Ebay, swap shop, bartertown, etc, you can find some good deals on them. I'm in the process of selling off a bunch of extras that I bought a while back myself for about 50% retail (which makes them normal priced!).

Second that. Nearly my whole army has been carefully snatched ebay deals. It's taken me over a year to actually get the whole army together, so patience is most definitely a virtue there, but it's allowed me to assemble a pretty big SoB army without completely breaking the bank.

Zefig wrote:Second that. Nearly my whole army has been carefully snatched ebay deals. It's taken me over a year to actually get the whole army together, so patience is most definitely a virtue there, but it's allowed me to assemble a pretty big SoB army without completely breaking the bank.

Nice! The expansion and update to the new codex of my army has been purely from the proceeds of selling off large SoB lots and keeping the bits I need.

Jollydevil wrote:

Totalwar1402 wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:Probably the fact that theyre an all woman army. It just doesnt feel right to me. However, im a guy, so obviously woman would feel otherwise.
Competing for that spot is also the whole religious warriors philosophy that they take.

Really? I never thought of the religion or fanatic thing. Mainly because its so omnipresent in the rest of the Imperium, but I suppose unless you're looking at Black Templars it is much more prevelent among SOB.

As an athiest, I try to stick away from the religious factions in 40K, which is why ive never been a big fan of Sisters, BT, Grey Knights, etc.

What does being an athiest have to do with disliking the religious tone of the IoM?

Totalwar1402 wrote:No, not at all. I agree the front bit looks like something Lady Gaga would wear but the back, the actual heel, is only, what a two inch block. Compared to some artwork for deathcult assasians where they go the whole nine yards they're not really heels in the sense you're implying. Shes wearing boots, not heels, thats the distinction I' am making.

That's semantics at it's absolute worst, if we're now defining how high a high heel should be. We're not talking about the slight step seen in mens dress shoes. Sure, they aren't 4 inch stiletto stripper heels, but there's a pronounced heel in both of those pictures far beyond what would be even remotely practical in a combat boot's sole. And that was exactly the kind of image the original guy was talking about.

I'd been planning on building a Sisters army as soon as they got some multipart plastics, but thanks to the +20% price hike and +80% trade embargo, even that's not enough any more.

Just the cost. I like them and their support troops, the whole army is pretty awesome. But more than most, the cost is extremely high to collects a sisters army.

Sisters are one of those armies I've always been tempted to collect. If I were not so wrapped up in my Krieg currently, I'd probably be looking at collecting them.

Everything on the list, I have no idea how GW still see's them as an Army, they've almost become like Squats.

blood reaper wrote:Everything on the list, I have no idea how GW still see's them as an Army, they've almost become like Squats.

Careful. I made this analogy and it ended up as a festering pile of defensiveness and anger.

Cost, don't like the models and I think they're too sexualised.

Also, it's such a, loyalist army...

Only the fact that it's near impossible to find spare backpacks and the demise of the bitz service...

As a poster above me said, Ebay has been invaluable in building my army these last months. Cost is less an issue for me, but why pay full price when there's Ebay?

Too sexualized for me, plus I'm nit a fan of women in my army. I love the style of play and that's why I used to play them, but can't bring myself to return especially now that I'm married with children.

The prohibitive cost is another issue especially when combined with lack of poses/options.

Re: tge comment on their fluff being basically storm trooper fluff, what would people think of a storm trooper-themed "counts-as" sisters army?

Commando Nuns...Can't buy it. I get the attraction though.

To me they need to become resin and or plastic kits.
Support them and people will buy them.
Make them very competitive in a tourney and people will buy lots of them.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Totalwar1402 wrote:No, not at all. I agree the front bit looks like something Lady Gaga would wear but the back, the actual heel, is only, what a two inch block. Compared to some artwork for deathcult assasians where they go the whole nine yards they're not really heels in the sense you're implying. Shes wearing boots, not heels, thats the distinction I' am making.

That's semantics at it's absolute worst, if we're now defining how high a high heel should be. We're not talking about the slight step seen in mens dress shoes. Sure, they aren't 4 inch stiletto stripper heels, but there's a pronounced heel in both of those pictures far beyond what would be even remotely practical in a combat boot's sole. And that was exactly the kind of image the original guy was talking about.

My point, as when I brought up the Mass Effect example, was that you're emphasising a very slight sexual feature when compared to other much more explicit things. I'am not saying that its practical or non-sexual, nor did I imply that. But the picture clearly displays more sexualization in how the woman is postured, the boob armour, the corset, the way it clings to her body and exaggerates the female form; than having a two inch heel even a school would be fine with.It was a joke and a light hearted frivilous comment not to be taken out of context.
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NWansbutter wrote:Too sexualized for me, plus I'm nit a fan of women in my army. I love the style of play and that's why I used to play them, but can't bring myself to return especially now that I'm married with children.

I don't really see that Sisters of Battle are sexualised, they are very modest.

Cost
All metal army
Limited customization
Poor and unsupported army list

I could deal with one, or even two of those things. 4 is just too much. Maybe we'll see in about 2 years when they get a codex and new plastic line.

I tend to prefer the Xenos Aesthetic as well, but I can always make an exception.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:Too sexualized for me, plus I'm nit a fan of women in my army. I love the style of play and that's why I used to play them, but can't bring myself to return especially now that I'm married with children.

I don't really see that Sisters of Battle are sexualised, they are very modest.

Yeah, compared to wyches or death cult assasians they are pretty tame. Plenty of comic book cartoons can be accused of worse.

Totalwar1402 wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Totalwar1402 wrote:No, not at all. I agree the front bit looks like something Lady Gaga would wear but the back, the actual heel, is only, what a two inch block. Compared to some artwork for deathcult assasians where they go the whole nine yards they're not really heels in the sense you're implying. Shes wearing boots, not heels, thats the distinction I' am making.

That's semantics at it's absolute worst, if we're now defining how high a high heel should be. We're not talking about the slight step seen in mens dress shoes. Sure, they aren't 4 inch stiletto stripper heels, but there's a pronounced heel in both of those pictures far beyond what would be even remotely practical in a combat boot's sole. And that was exactly the kind of image the original guy was talking about.

My point, as when I brought up the Mass Effect example, was that you're emphasising a very slight sexual feature when compared to other much more explicit things. I'am not saying that its practical or non-sexual, nor did I imply that. But the picture clearly displays more sexualization in how the woman is postured, the boob armour, the corset, the way it clings to her body and exaggerates the female form; than having a two inch heel even a school would be fine with.It was a joke and a light hearted frivilous comment not to be taken out of context.
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Sexualization of models is one thing that players get accustomed to in any kind of gaming environment. Truthfully, if GW actually modeled them in Power Armor and not carapace armor with a backpack, they'd be bulky and essentially gender neutral like the Space Marines are. But they have to look girly in order to sell as ladymarines. That's fine (even if it is part of the reason I personally don't like the line, I understand the business aspect). The not so rare depiction of them in heels just make them silly looking. I mean, sure, nobody would comment in school, but they'd sure comment in the army, lol. There's a very distinct difference between sexualization (like what James Cameron did with the Na'vi in Avatar) and the cartoonish hyper-feminizing that the Sisters often get which seems more akin to bad anime. The image the Sisters gets suggests 40K pin-up art, and not battle-worthy, combat capable troops.

Totalwar1402 wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

NWansbutter wrote:Too sexualized for me, plus I'm nit a fan of women in my army. I love the style of play and that's why I used to play them, but can't bring myself to return especially now that I'm married with children.

I don't really see that Sisters of Battle are sexualised, they are very modest.

Yeah, compared to wyches or death cult assasians they are pretty tame. Plenty of comic book cartoons can be accused of worse.

I can only think of the S&M girls with chainsaws. The bulk of the Sisters range is just women in armour.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

blood reaper wrote:Everything on the list, I have no idea how GW still see's them as an Army, they've almost become like Squats.

Careful. I made this analogy and it ended up as a festering pile of defensiveness and anger.

Or it could have been the personal attacks and OT'ness of the posts. Just sayin'...

pretre wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

blood reaper wrote:Everything on the list, I have no idea how GW still see's them as an Army, they've almost become like Squats.

Careful. I made this analogy and it ended up as a festering pile of defensiveness and anger.

Or it could have been the personal attacks and OT'ness of the posts. Just sayin'...

You're right, the Sisters fans certainly did get a little out of control with the personal attacks. I forgot to warn him about that.

pretre wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

blood reaper wrote:Everything on the list, I have no idea how GW still see's them as an Army, they've almost become like Squats.

Careful. I made this analogy and it ended up as a festering pile of defensiveness and anger.

Or it could have been the personal attacks and OT'ness of the posts. Just sayin'...

Kinda funny till gk cam out I never saw daemon 40k discussions and till the recent wd you raely saw sob discussions.. I mean it seems theres a limited audience for those armies why does the majority all the sudden jump in to defend them. lol they wouldnt be squat-ified if theyd gotten more people buying em in the 1st place.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

pretre wrote:Or it could have been the personal attacks and OT'ness of the posts. Just sayin'...

You're right, the Sisters fans certainly did get a little out of control with the personal attacks. I forgot to warn him about that.

I lol'd.


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Draigo wrote:Kinda funny till gk cam out I never saw daemon 40k discussions and till the recent wd you raely saw sob discussions.. I mean it seems theres a limited audience for those armies why does the majority all the sudden jump in to defend them. lol they wouldnt be squat-ified if theyd gotten more people buying em in the 1st place.

Well previous to GK, SoB discussions only went one place because of certain interactions between members. That meant they were very short and/or locked pretty quick. I think you'll find that Sisters have a pretty big following.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Sexualization of models is one thing that players get accustomed to in any kind of gaming environment. Truthfully, if GW actually modeled them in Power Armor and not carapace armor with a backpack, they'd be bulky and essentially gender neutral like the Space Marines are. But they have to look girly in order to sell as ladymarines. That's fine (even if it is part of the reason I personally don't like the line, I understand the business aspect). The not so rare depiction of them in heels just make them silly looking. I mean, sure, nobody would comment in school, but they'd sure comment in the army, lol. There's a very distinct difference between sexualization (like what James Cameron did with the Na'vi in Avatar) and the cartoonish hyper-feminizing that the Sisters often get which seems more akin to bad anime. The image the Sisters gets suggests 40K pin-up art, and not battle-worthy, combat capable troops.

With all due respect, if you think the Na'vi were sexual beyond just being half naked humanoids then you have a much more ascetic (pure) notion of what counts as distasteful sexualization than I do. If anything the Na'vi were desexualised with how lean and lanky they were; aside from possibly having pretty face and lips. The film was a twelve after all.

Also Space Marines armour is filled by the marines and isn't as bulky as you're making out. John Blanche goes too far, but the armours not that much bigger on basic humans. Corteaz has artifacer armour and the other metal Daemonhunter inquisitors are much less bulky than a marine. Especially when you consider, as your gamepic implies, you know that marines are out of proportion and should be much larger than these 6ft inquisitors. Also, whilst in game terms the armour provides amazing protection, so far as lore goes its actually pretty poor. Most Horus Heresy books have it being regularly cut through by regular knives and bolters. Its not really the walking tank armour lorewise that the game stats would have us believe. Same goes for Soriatus books, its described as being able to stop bullets but not a gauss flayer; when rules wise we know thats not the case.

If we're arguing about lack of practicality and realism in sci-fi; then I'am quite surprised you brought up Avatar. You have mechs and helicopters with glass thats easily penetrated by arrows and spears even when the tech on an Abrams Tank today could get past that quite easily; never minds advances in technology. Sci fi gives you a measure of artistic license, by all rights marines should be crap as a force since a 1000 people could not possibly kill the billions of people on a planet. Especially not when most of their weapons like plasma and melta guns can quite easily kill marines and can be fielded to one in every ten men.Never mind RPG and artillery. Or that they wear brightly coloured armour when camo could serve them just as well. Or cover themselves in robes and purity seals. lets say you did remove all of that and 'rationalise' 40k. You would just make it some starship troopers knock off and it wouldn't convey the gothic madness of the setting. The universe is inherently irrational and not meant to be compared to real life. A theme like nuns with guns cannot be 'rationalised' in the same way as Imperial guard can; the basic premise and theme doesn't hold to such a rigorous attempt at realism.

SOB are not meant to be compared to the standards of a real life army.

I'am not sure wether you're argueing no sexualisation at all or if its just a question of taste. For me its the latter, since I would hate to see, for example, characters from comics like Jarael in KoToR taken out for being too sexualised and frankly its a matter of perspective.