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It isn't the administration, it is the campaign.

Surely that is an important distinction.

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Kilkrazy wrote:It isn't the administration, it is the campaign.

Surely that is an important distinction.


Evidently its also illegal. Doesn't stop my public email from getting swamped with spam, but its technically illegal to send unrequested emails to people in such a context.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Thread title (as expected given the biases of the original poster) is misleading.

The campaign committee is collecting email addresses so they can try to earn more votes through mass emails.

Apparently this is supposed to be scandalous, because Obama is doing it, even though it's pretty much been done for quite some damn time with phone numbers by both parties. Really Frazzled, are you this desperate for a chance to attack Obama?

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Hhmmm...I never been called nor recieved a email from either party...maybe something bein military protected me or something...but then I do have non mil emails..

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My home of record is a primary state for repulicans...I receive more calls than I would like.

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Jihadin wrote:Hhmmm...I never been called nor recieved a email from either party...maybe something bein military protected me or something...but then I do have non mil emails..
I receive republican propaganda emails (hateful, spiteful things these are with their gay-bashing and so on) occasionally; then again, I've used my email to bug my congressmen about my concerns over their activities (or lack of activity) in the past, especially regarding trying to get them to do SOMETHING to help small businesses, which they seem to refuse to do...

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Under what law is it illegal?

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This:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business


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Melissia wrote:Thread title (as expected given the biases of the original poster) is misleading.

The campaign committee is collecting email addresses so they can try to earn more votes through mass emails.

Apparently this is supposed to be scandalous, because Obama is doing it, even though it's pretty much been done for quite some damn time with phone numbers by both parties. Really Frazzled, are you this desperate for a chance to attack Obama?

in other words so they can spam Republicans?

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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That act covers businesses, not political campaigns, as far as I can understand it.

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I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Maybe.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I'm not sure about the source but...
Political Spam is a No-No...
The CAN-SPAM Act, signed into law in December, 2003, established the first national standards for sending commercial e-mail. Political spam e-mail, such as e-mail sent from or on behalf of a candidate for public office, or in support of a political issue or initiative, does not fall under the legal requirements of commercial e-mail spam under CAN-SPAM.

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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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Frazzled wrote:Maybe.




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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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ShumaGorath wrote:Microsoft doesn't make monitors.

Maybe


hehe

 
   
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Kilkrazy wrote:That act covers businesses, not political campaigns, as far as I can understand it.


As far as I know, unless it's been criminalized recently, there's nothing at all illegal about this. It's been going on for years. I started a thread featuring one of these things four years ago, where you put your friend's name and email into the site, and they kicked out a custom video and emailed it to the person. I just posted the video on here for funzies instead of emailing it to Frazzled:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/221355.page

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People freaking out about the email addresses and talking about guns is just weird.

That said, encouraging anyone to give up other people's emails is a jerk thing to do, no matter what the reason.

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I disagree. Many if not all of the political action email lists I'm on ask you to share with your friends. As long as the email requires the person to choose to participate, and has a working opt-out function, you should be okay.

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Mannahnin wrote:I disagree. Many if not all of the political action email lists I'm on ask you to share with your friends. As long as the email requires the person to choose to participate, and has a working opt-out function, you should be okay.


Fair point.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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...And obviously if you don't want to piss off your friends, you want to be careful about what kind of stuff you send them unsolicited. I get a lot of emails, but I very rarely forward any of them just because I don't want to bother folks. My mother and I have an agreement to share particularly big ones/petitions we like a lot.

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Mannahnin wrote:...And obviously if you don't want to piss off your friends, you want to be careful about what kind of stuff you send them unsolicited. I get a lot of emails, but I very rarely forward any of them just because I don't want to bother folks. My mother and I have an agreement to share particularly big ones/petitions we like a lot.

At least some of the campaign website ENCOURAGES you to piss off your Republican friends. Like in the store it advises giving them birther mugs. Even being pro-choice myself I'd probably be a bit ticked at the heavy handedness of that gesture. It says, "I don't respect your beliefs and believe you can become the butt of my jokes"

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You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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Aren't the "birthers" the ones who don't believe that Obama was born in Hawaii?

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We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Are they, I somehow connected it to abortion...
It's likely you're right.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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AustonT wrote:This warms the cockles of my heart, Barack Obama and his long history and reaching out to the Republicans. It's just hard to feel the heater when I'm in the back of the car.


Hey, at least you have a slushee back there!

Frazzled wrote:Maybe.


No, not "Maybe". Unambiguously, political campaigns are exempt from CAN-SPAM, as well as from the "Do Not Call" register. As always, Congress writes all laws with a "bros before hoes" mindset, where they are the bros and we are the hoes.

So far as why gather them, it's clearly to put Republicans into FEMA re-education camps. Possibly, it's to sign them up for Death Panels. Or, perhaps, it's so they can send messages to the opposition saying that the election was already in the bag, so they don't need to get out and vote. Or maybe it's to mail them absentee ballots with the wrong date on them.

Oh, wait, those last things weren't blatant lies like the first two, they actually happened, but unsurprisingly, it was Republicans doing them.

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A cynical man might say it is against the interests of the representative democratic system to allow candidates to contact the electorate.

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Kilkrazy wrote:A cynical man might say it is against the interests of the representative democratic system to allow candidates to contact the electorate.


That's a pretty good point, actually.

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Ouze wrote: As always, Congress writes all laws with a "bros before hoes" mindset, where they are the bros and we are the hoes.


I imagine that's true of the vast majority of people (its certainly true of me), substituting certain terms, of course.

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Wow, this is incrediably weak. I read the title and thought someone was going to get in trouble for hacking email accounts and reading the emails. No, they're just collecting email ADDRESSES, big difference than collecting emails. My response would be So What? I'm a registered Dem but I get So Damn Many phone calls from repubs telling me who I should vote for. I would be annoyed if I started getting email spam too, sure, but those are easier to filter and won't wake my day sleeping arse up at one in the afternoon.

 
   
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AustonT wrote:I'm not sure about the source but...
Political Spam is a No-No...
The CAN-SPAM Act, signed into law in December, 2003, established the first national standards for sending commercial e-mail. Political spam e-mail, such as e-mail sent from or on behalf of a candidate for public office, or in support of a political issue or initiative, does not fall under the legal requirements of commercial e-mail spam under CAN-SPAM.


mmm...I could see politicians exempting themselves yet again, as they retreat to their Dachas for a nice cognac.


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Mannahnin wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:That act covers businesses, not political campaigns, as far as I can understand it.


As far as I know, unless it's been criminalized recently, there's nothing at all illegal about this. It's been going on for years. I started a thread featuring one of these things four years ago, where you put your friend's name and email into the site, and they kicked out a custom video and emailed it to the person. I just posted the video on here for funzies instead of emailing it to Frazzled:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/221355.page

Just because its been going on doesn't mean its not illegal. After all, Carrot Top is still performing.


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sebster wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:I disagree. Many if not all of the political action email lists I'm on ask you to share with your friends. As long as the email requires the person to choose to participate, and has a working opt-out function, you should be okay.


Fair point.

What if there's no opt out option?


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Kilkrazy wrote:A cynical man might say it is against the interests of the representative democratic system to allow candidates to contact the electorate.

No a cynical man might say they are going to use it for a list to send to the IRS for unrelated auditing...

You need to seriously ratchet up you cynicism meter.

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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My cynicism meter pings hard on separate issues, and when any of them combine it rumbles. I'm a believer in the Bauman theory that the Holocaust required modernity. When beaurocrats try to find a new way to track our whereabouts, or register us in increasingly specific categories, or restrict the ownership of weapons my spider sense is in overdrive. It's not that I'm paranoid, I just think that politicians are out to get US...all of us. Collecting my anonymous web based email...not high on my list of concerns, but I suppose it could be.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
 
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