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mattyrm wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:There are significant differences between US and UK cultural and social attitudes.

You honestly think so?

I've lived in both.. I dont believe that to be the case. I can be convinced though, what would you say is a "significant" difference then?

Your personal experience is essentially subjective. Your own personality will lead you to seek out situations and experiences that you find congenial. If you take those as typical, you bias your view of the two nations.

In fact, scientific studies show there are differences. Individualism is higher in the USA, for example. Britain is more socialistic.

When you look at attitudes to public healthcare you can see this is true.

@flashman - There was something about the 'lads' mags on a program the other day, a study showed I think about 20% regular readers (youngmen aged 18-24 If I'm remembering right) shared expressions in their speech and ideals that matched up with convicted rapists. It wasn't suggesting they had done ahything, but the shared mentality in their views on women where very close.

Pretty horrfying when you consider it.

Scientific proof number one: The US doesn't have newsagents.

@MDS, its the biological urges speaking. The numero uno concern a man has at 15-25 is getting laid, everything else is just a byproduct of that process. Do you think people get a job just to work, no they do it to get money so they can go about getting laid. On another side note, men are usually incredibly happy with their first time, but that begins to wane with age, at about 25 years of age both men and women have about a 1/4 chance of truly wanting to have sex when they do have sex or regretting the decision to have sex.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:@flashman - There was something about the 'lads' mags on a program the other day, a study showed I think about 20% regular readers (youngmen aged 18-24 If I'm remembering right) shared expressions in their speech and ideals that matched up with convicted rapists. It wasn't suggesting they had done ahything, but the shared mentality in their views on women where very close.

Pretty horrfying when you consider it.

That can be so bogus its not funny. Serial killers and normal people probably both say "I'm hungry." That doesn't mean they have a shared mentaility, just a shared use of the English language.

I will note, for a while there Boy and friends started using the term "raping" or really "raped" in game usage. Frazzled went apeshit and they quit using the phrase at least at the house.
I blame geeks.

halonachos wrote:Scientific proof number one: The US doesn't have newsagents.

I think you call them corner stores

Frazzled wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:@flashman - There was something about the 'lads' mags on a program the other day, a study showed I think about 20% regular readers (youngmen aged 18-24 If I'm remembering right) shared expressions in their speech and ideals that matched up with convicted rapists. It wasn't suggesting they had done ahything, but the shared mentality in their views on women where very close.

Pretty horrfying when you consider it.

That can be so bogus its not funny. Serial killers and normal people probably both say "I'm hungry." That doesn't mean they have a shared mentaility, just a shared use of the English language.

I will note, for a while there Boy and friends started using the term "raping" or really "raped" in game usage. Frazzled went apeshit and they quit using the phrase at least at the house.
I blame geeks.

I remember when "fragging" meant killing an unpopular senior officer in the military, back in the good ole' wholesome times.


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Flashman wrote:

halonachos wrote:Scientific proof number one: The US doesn't have newsagents.

I think you call them corner stores

Corner store, is that like a strip mall?

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Rape is a crime of violence and the assertion of power rather than sexual frustration.

What education do you need?

Frazzled's fatherly advice:
"If he gets uppity, kick him in the nuts. If that doesn't work, shoot him 14 times."

What am I missing?

Kilkrazy wrote:Rape is a crime of violence and the assertion of power rather than sexual frustration.

Yeah, its just tied with sexual activity because that is one way to show dominance.

As far as educating kids go, the kids I babysit haven't learned about this stuff yet which is good because none of them are older than 9, but they have learned a bit of self defense. The oldest, girl, showed me what they learned one day but thought it was fun and games, I told her that it was okay to hit lightly( they learned to kick shins and stuff, nothing to do with sexual regions) to show a friend, but that if they were doing it to a stranger then she needed to hit them as hard as possible. She asked why and told her that it was so she could run away and get someone else to help. I know that I tense up whenever I take them to swim lessons because I can walk the boys through the men's locker room, but I can't walk her through the women's locker room, stuff like rape can happen to anyone and be done by anyone and that's why I worry.

Kids don't learn about rape and don't know what could happen to them, but its not like we can tell every 4 year old about it and how to stop it. Kids should be taught that there are certain spots that, if touched, warrant physical attempts to get away and find someone to help them. I know that even if I can't be in the locker room with her, she learned from her parents about that stuff so that if she ever tells me that something happened I can lay the hammer down

Frazzled wrote:What education do you need?

Frazzled's fatherly advice:
"If he gets uppity, kick him in the nuts. If that doesn't work, shoot him 14 times." Then kick him in the nuts.

What am I missing?

That.

Flashman wrote:Although we've come a long way, I think there still many ways in which men's attitudes towards women are somewhat primitive.

Case in point, is there any practical reason why Black Widow doesn't zip her jump suit all the way up? No there isnt. It's purely a sex thing.



I'm no prude and don't object to the above image in any way shape or form, but it's illustrative of how western society views women. That's not to say other societies are any better, but everytime I see Zoo, Nuts, FHM and the like in the newsagent, I wonder sometimes if we're the ones who have regressed.

It's not just women.
Most male action heroes (Arnold, Bruce, Sly, etc.), end up shirtless and sweaty at some point in their movies. Remember Arnold in Commando deciding when the lead was flying at the evil bosses compound that it was a good time to strip off his body armor?

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:What education do you need?

Frazzled's fatherly advice:
"If he gets uppity, kick him in the nuts. If that doesn't work, shoot him 14 times." Then kick him in the nuts.

What am I missing?

That.

Son, I like your work.

EDIT: whats funny is someone may actually think I'm joking. A variant of this is actual advice from both Frazzled and SWMBO. Inversely I've said the opposite to The Boy about such (as in, proper behavior else her dad may come for you).

@ Relapse - Arnie's sweaty pectorals don't really do it for me, but I see your angle. Western cinema is all equality with the removing of tops, so in keeping with the proper spirit of things...

How does he have hairy nipples?

Frazzled wrote:

Castiel wrote:

Frazzled wrote:What education do you need?

Frazzled's fatherly advice:
"If he gets uppity, kick him in the nuts. If that doesn't work, shoot him 14 times." Then kick him in the nuts.

What am I missing?

That.

Son, I like your work.

EDIT: whats funny is someone may actually think I'm joking. A variant of this is actual advice from both Frazzled and SWMBO. Inversely I've said the opposite to The Boy about such (as in, proper behavior else her dad may come for you).

Thanks!

Girlfriends' fathers pack shotguns. Annoying them/ doing something they disapprove of is a surefire way to wind up picking buckshot out of your rear for weeks! One must learn to respect the ladies.

Chowderhead wrote:Matty, two men from the Bible Belt don't represent all of America.

And we have a ton of sex and violence. But possibly less crazy tabloids, which could factor into it.

While Oklahoma might be part of the "Bible Belt", rarely does that stereotype apply to the average person here in Oklahoma.

Finally, some ammunition to use against those who claim that Sweden's high amount of reported rapes means the actual frequency of rapes are higher than everywhere else. Especially against those that blame it all on socialism or "those darned immigrants" who ride around in tanks, capturing our ary... native females and raping them in a cave!

No, really, that's how silly some of the debates regarding this issue in Sweden gets. Somehow, it's always the (muslim) immigrant's fault.

Anyhow, I reckon that since we now have reports about rape being relatively more common in both Sweden and the US, two countries whose social model differs widely, it isn't too far-fetched to assume that rape is, in fact, more common than the statistics would say in other countries too, and not just indicative of Sweden and the US being "rape centres".

Frazzled wrote:whats funny is someone may actually think I'm joking. A variant of this is actual advice from both Frazzled and SWMBO. Inversely I've said the opposite to The Boy about such (as in, proper behavior else her dad may come for you).

I like that advice though... kick 'em INNANUTS is usually a good idea... ruins their mood (hopefully) and stuns them (hopefully) so you can get away, or at least distracts them enough that you can get your gun out...

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:whats funny is someone may actually think I'm joking. A variant of this is actual advice from both Frazzled and SWMBO. Inversely I've said the opposite to The Boy about such (as in, proper behavior else her dad may come for you).

I like that advice though... kick 'em INNANUTS is usually a good idea... ruins their mood (hopefully) and stuns them (hopefully) so you can get away, or at least distracts them enough that you can get your gun out...

Or in Britain run the heck out of there like Usain Bolt!

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

I'm certainly taking her signature more seriously now!

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

I'm certainly taking her signature more seriously now!

Well i know i'm immortal so that isn't so bad...

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

I'm certainly taking her signature more seriously now!

Well i know i'm immortal so that isn't so bad...

I'm the Angel of Thursday, so I can fly away!

halonachos wrote:What's a newsagent?

Hahahahaha

Flashman wrote:Although we've come a long way, I think there still many ways in which men's attitudes towards women are somewhat primitive.

Case in point, is there any practical reason why Black Widow doesn't zip her jump suit all the way up? No there isnt. It's purely a sex thing.



I'm no prude and don't object to the above image in any way shape or form, but it's illustrative of how western society views women. That's not to say other societies are any better, but everytime I see Zoo, Nuts, FHM and the like in the newsagent, I wonder sometimes if we're the ones who have regressed.

There are differing views on this. Some feminist commentators argue for the view you put forth, others argue for the view that 'overt' sexualisation of women gives women power. They're effectively using their assets to gain some form of power. Look at Katie Price (Jordan). Famous for getting her breasts out on page 3 and yet she has more money (which is usually equated with power in Western society) than most of us ever will.

An argument that has been made in response to statistics like this is that sections of the male population feel they have to assert their masculinity in these horrific ways because they feel that women have impinged upon their 'traditional' roles and spheres of life.

Basically it may not be a case of top down patriarchal power but 'bottom up' female power.

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

I'm certainly taking her signature more seriously now!

Well i know i'm immortal so that isn't so bad...

I'm the Angel of Thursday, so I can fly away!

Don't you fly away to Friday?
You gotta get down on Friday...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Anyhow, I reckon that since we now have reports about rape being relatively more common in both Sweden and the US, two countries whose social model differs widely, it isn't too far-fetched to assume that rape is, in fact, more common than the statistics would say in other countries too, and not just indicative of Sweden and the US being "rape centres".

This. Anyone who studies sexual assault at all knows how underreported it is. This kind of study is pretty important. My first inclination is to think that there is not nearly as big a difference as Matty assumes between the US and UK on this one. Not to say it's impossible, of course. The US and our rates of violent crime are a bit different and distinct from many places in the Western world.

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

EDIT: You also officially scare me! I will remember not to annoy you in future!

That's been my view for a while now...

I'm certainly taking her signature more seriously now!

Well i know i'm immortal so that isn't so bad...

I'm the Angel of Thursday, so I can fly away!

Don't you fly away to Friday?
You gotta get down on Friday...

I'll kill you. Don't you know that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not mention Rebecca Black, or Justin Bieber, on Dakka at any time"?

Castiel wrote:

I'll kill you. Don't you know that one of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not mention Rebecca Black, or Justin Bieber, on Dakka at any time"?

I skimmed it...
Fairly sure i have posted that song a few times actually...
It's surprisingly catchy...
I almost miss it.

Can you guys stop spamming this thread, please? Take it to a chat room.