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I saw six people playing WotR last night at my FLGS...

I know dozens who buy the models but have no intention to play the games related, they just like the models.

Shame about the price hikes but not unexpected. Not that I was going to buy any new releases in Finecast anyway. I'd buy more plastics but won't at these new prices.

Surtur wrote:But how does this make any sense? The demand for the product is terribly low as is, raising the effective price is just going to lower it to be non-existent. They already don't move the product in stores enough so it's just sitting in warehouses and on floorspace wasting capital. It's like they're intentionally trying to waste money and kill revenue.

tl;dr: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DnPwaEn8aGE/TSpzcGV0LRI/AAAAAAAANZ8/d1gCIm9UgsI/s1600/scanners4.jpg

LotR is actually very popular, but very rarely played in the same places as 40K largely because of the attitudes of the players.

BuFFo wrote:how about we learn from the past, and when the hobbit minis come out, don't waste your money on that garbage. No one plays LotR war games, and the 5 people that do at conventions might not justify you getting it.

Plus, GW constantly craps on it's customers with contempt and hate, stop supporting their QUICK CASH IN crap like this.

I have never seen a single game of lotr played since it came out, and I play around the world. I know if any of my friend even bring the hobbit minis up, I am telling them full stop to not bother, and go buy something else instead.

Well, thats a constructive attitude you've got there.

LotR is actually a very widely played system, and requires very little start-up, especially for people already in the hobby. Perhaps you could instead encourage your friends? Who knows, you might actually have fun!

Lotr was always a great game and always used to be very affordable, but now its not at all worth it so I long stopped playing (I wanted to recreate the battle of the last alliance, but...yeah I'd rather play flames of war now and recreate the battle of stalingrad or berlin)
its a shame because it was actually pretty popular back in the day, and it was always a dear favorite (I had a whole hobbit army...erm well I still do)

Tzeentchling9 wrote:GW has "repackaged" their boxes of infantry for LotR/WotR. Each box will only have one sprue instead of two, so only half the models, at 25.50 USD instead of 33 USD. Massive price increase for anyone into or interested in LotR/WotR.

Just another reason why I only play 1 system; Warhammer 40,000. It keeps me busy enough, and I never have a problem finding a game. I don't understand folks that try to play multiple systems and armies, especially with the price shenanigans from GW.

They absolutely can't be trusted.

NoArmorSave wrote:
Just another reason why I only play 1 system; Warhammer 40,000. It keeps me busy enough, and I never have a problem finding a game. I don't understand folks that try to play multiple systems and armies, especially with the price shenanigans from GW.

They absolutely can't be trusted.

I... I don't even know how to respond to this.

Kaldor wrote:

Surtur wrote:But how does this make any sense? The demand for the product is terribly low as is, raising the effective price is just going to lower it to be non-existent. They already don't move the product in stores enough so it's just sitting in warehouses and on floorspace wasting capital. It's like they're intentionally trying to waste money and kill revenue.

tl;dr: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DnPwaEn8aGE/TSpzcGV0LRI/AAAAAAAANZ8/d1gCIm9UgsI/s1600/scanners4.jpg

LotR is actually very popular, but very rarely played in the same places as 40K largely because of the attitudes of the players.

BuFFo wrote:how about we learn from the past, and when the hobbit minis come out, don't waste your money on that garbage. No one plays LotR war games, and the 5 people that do at conventions might not justify you getting it.

Plus, GW constantly craps on it's customers with contempt and hate, stop supporting their QUICK CASH IN crap like this.

I have never seen a single game of lotr played since it came out, and I play around the world. I know if any of my friend even bring the hobbit minis up, I am telling them full stop to not bother, and go buy something else instead.

Well, thats a constructive attitude you've got there.

LotR is actually a very widely played system, and requires very little start-up, especially for people already in the hobby. Perhaps you could instead encourage your friends? Who knows, you might actually have fun!

Prove it. GW gives little support to it in comparison. And the only time ive seen it competitively played is at large conventions and then they have 1/15th of the players of the other two systems.

Prove to me that its profitable because it seems like it is just a drain on profits and has been for the last 6 years

ChocolateGork wrote:

Kaldor wrote:

Surtur wrote:But how does this make any sense? The demand for the product is terribly low as is, raising the effective price is just going to lower it to be non-existent. They already don't move the product in stores enough so it's just sitting in warehouses and on floorspace wasting capital. It's like they're intentionally trying to waste money and kill revenue.

tl;dr: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DnPwaEn8aGE/TSpzcGV0LRI/AAAAAAAANZ8/d1gCIm9UgsI/s1600/scanners4.jpg

LotR is actually very popular, but very rarely played in the same places as 40K largely because of the attitudes of the players.

BuFFo wrote:how about we learn from the past, and when the hobbit minis come out, don't waste your money on that garbage. No one plays LotR war games, and the 5 people that do at conventions might not justify you getting it.

Plus, GW constantly craps on it's customers with contempt and hate, stop supporting their QUICK CASH IN crap like this.

I have never seen a single game of lotr played since it came out, and I play around the world. I know if any of my friend even bring the hobbit minis up, I am telling them full stop to not bother, and go buy something else instead.

Well, thats a constructive attitude you've got there.

LotR is actually a very widely played system, and requires very little start-up, especially for people already in the hobby. Perhaps you could instead encourage your friends? Who knows, you might actually have fun!

Prove it. GW gives little support to it in comparison. And the only time ive seen it competitively played is at large conventions and then they have 1/15th of the players of the other two systems.

Prove to me that its profitable because it seems like it is just a drain on profits and has been for the last 6 years

I have seen a few people play it here on the west coast. It is an interesting looking system and has nice models, but is not worth it. Not by a long shot.

The financial commitment is obscene. This latest crap about packing half the models in the same box for the same price has me fumming, and I don't even play the game.

GW pulls the same crap with 40K. It is one of the main reasons I won't be getting any new armies. I am sticking with the ones I already own.

ChocolateGork wrote:Prove it. GW gives little support to it in comparison. And the only time ive seen it competitively played is at large conventions and then they have 1/15th of the players of the other two systems.

Prove to me that its profitable because it seems like it is just a drain on profits and has been for the last 6 years

I couldn't care less if you believe me or not. Go look it up yourself if you're interested. I'm not about to start doing your homework for you. I mean, you can always just stick your fingers in your ears and go "Na na na, I'm not listening" but I'd like to think an enlightened gentleman such as yourself would prefer to argue from a point of knowledge, not ignorance.

Not everyone who collects the models, plays the game. LotR has a much wider fanbase than just wargamers, after all. And not everyone who games, does so at a competitive level, and not everyone who games at a competitive level will actually attend competitions, and not everyone who attends competitions will go to multi-system events, where you as a 40K player can witness them!

So the number of gamers you've personally witnessed doesn't mean diddly.

Where would i look it up?

GW obviously considers the game as a lesser to the other two systems.

I have never heard any discussion of it or seen causal games played at the FLGS and the small amount of stock of it they carry has never moved. I know one person who collected a bit of it and then never played it more than twice.

Ive always liked the game to be honest it got me into all the other miniatures games. I believe its still my fav, what they should have done is not change the infantry boxes but instead change the starter because it blows big time.

Whem i first got into the game they had starters for like each army that were amazing then they just fell off the earth and i think thats when it kinda died out.

Although i think the new prices were made for younger people seeing how everytime i see a kid trying to buy models there parents give them around 20 to 25 dollars.

I really like LOTR but only one of the two stores really play it, and the store that dose is 4 hours away if not more, it'll be a shame if the prices go up so much but if you think a box of marines have 10 in and that's £20.50 and now the lotr will be 12 for about £16 so compared to other systems it's still relatively cheap.

-madman12367

WotR is doomed if they think these price hikes are going to be received well by their LotR based consumers. As Reds8tan noted earlier about pushing more towards the skirmish game... it matches GW's Modus Operendi.

Sell few models for inordinately exorbitant prices to make up for the fact that your consumer base is shrinking by the year.
Why sell more models at a reasonable cost for bigger games when you can sell less models for greater cost in smaller games and make nearly as much money? One answer would be to retain loyal customers, but GW have shown time after time they clearly do not want you, even though you are putting food in their ungrateful mouths.

Osbad wrote:All the 40k-fanboi wishlisting and LotR-hate was old back in 2001 when I first came across it.

Also QFT. I was one of those 40K trolls crying like a vagina with sand in it about LotR after I found the 1st version of the game to be lackluster. Even I thought the crybaby bull doo-doo was old and stale at that time.

According to Harry, infamous Warseer prophet of all things GW whose track record is emaculate:

The Games Dev and the sculpting team have been expanded over the last 12 months.
My understanding is that one of the reasons for this is so they can give LotR and The Hobbit the attention it needs whilst not impacting on the capacity of the studio to continue to knock stuff out at an alarming rate for 40K and fantasy. (To avoid what happened last time around).

To reinforce Osbad's and Malfred's point made earlie, resources are not being taken away. They are being added. LotR existing in the GW catalog is nothing but a good thing for 40K and WHFB consumers.

BuFFo wrote:how about we learn from the past, and when the hobbit minis come out, don't waste your money on that garbage. No one plays LotR war games, and the 5 people that do at conventions might not justify you getting it.

Plus, GW constantly craps on it's customers with contempt and hate, stop supporting their QUICK CASH IN crap like this.

I have never seen a single game of lotr played since it came out, and I play around the world. I know if any of my friend even bring the hobbit minis up, I am telling them full stop to not bother, and go buy something else instead.

Because I think sharp british wit is needed here, I will rely on a quote by the esteemed John Cleese:
"Yes, well, that's the sort of blinkard, philistine pig-ignorance I have come to expect from you non-creative garbage."

Another problem for GW and the LoTR game is that it's not their's. Yes they get to make buckets of money out of it, but ultimately they don't have full control over it. I can see that this would bug GW. There was no reason that LoTR couldn't of been bigger and better than Warhammer, the background has been around for years and it has all the traditional races you see in fantasy, but and it's a BIG but, it's not theirs. At some point they could and will lose control of it so I would imagine this has some bearing.