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Grats TK.

Not to take away from your win, but could have have taken a longer path to get to you?

I don't think the outcome of this game proves anything - in fact the premise is a bit silly IMO. Obviously the Nid player fed you his army.

-666- wrote:I don't think the outcome of this game proves anything - in fact the premise is a bit silly IMO. Obviously the Nid player fed you his army.

I think this has been said quite a few times... The outcome of any individual game or set of games doesn't really mean or prove much. We know that. It was a silly thing that TK wanted to do for the funsies.

Good lord. A case of a Tyranid player not playing nearly agressive enough. And poor deployment on the stealers. Oh well, looks like it was fun shooting them all down

Hulksmash wrote:Good lord. A case of a Tyranid player not playing nearly agressive enough. And poor deployment on the stealers. Oh well, looks like it was fun shooting them all down

Not to Monday morning QB the poor guy, but it seems like infiltrating on the right behind the forest would have been a better idea for the far left squad.

The sideways shuffle around the center building was ill advised and lost him a lot of movement distance. It seems like the left Genes just sat in that terrain for the whole game until they died. The middle squad didn't even really move until the rest of his forces got there and then it was too late.

Hopefully he'll pop on and give his side of things.

Nids have it rough against, well, most any of the newer 'dexes. Theres just so much cheap, high strength firepower out there its hard for the 'Nids MC's (obviously the stength of the army) to really do much. I miss the old 2+ cheap Carnis and Tyrants from the 4th ed dex.... plus I really feel the omission of EW from all the MC's really hurt the dex. We'll see what 6th brings!

It looks as though he just walked into the open so you could roll dice at him. Gk must be OP if you can make your opponent stand in the open. Is that 5 points too?

Dok wrote:It looks as though he just walked into the open so you could roll dice at him. Gk must be OP if you can make your opponent stand in the open. Is that 5 points too?

If he'd walked in the open, he would have actually reached the GK's lines. lol

Yeah, I failed pretty hard. lol

I had never tried going the long way around the BLOS before. Never again.

Anyways, TK, thanks for the whooping. Always good to learn what does work and what doesn't.

NeutronPoison wrote:Yeah, I failed pretty hard. lol

I had never tried going the long way around the BLOS before. Never again.

Anyways, TK, thanks for the whooping. Always good to learn what does work and what doesn't.

No worries man! Even with everyone's complaining, it's still just a game.

NeutronPoison wrote:Yeah, I failed pretty hard. lol

I had never tried going the long way around the BLOS before. Never again.

Anyways, TK, thanks for the whooping. Always good to learn what does work and what doesn't.

Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

+1

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

Agree.

Cladmir wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

Agree.

Stealers are not the troops to take if you're plan is to walk forward. Works just fine for hormugaunts though.

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

Draigo wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

+1

Cladmir wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:Ya, and dont thank me for the whooping I doubt it would of been to that extent had I not been using GK. Either way it was a fun game... maybe we can get another in sometime.

I'm pretty sure it would have gone very similarly against any gun line... the non-Nid might've lost a few more units, but walking straight into a gunline and not outflanking/deep striking at all (to take advantage of the immobile gunline) just feeds bugs into the blender.

Agree.

If either of you think you could fair better the same offer is on the table. Let me know. Ide let you pick between the 3 list. Purifier spam, Dragowing, or henchman spam.

a) If I have the time I'll let you know, however...
b) You have a preconceived notion, and it's not likely anything will change it. Have fun.

Well to play you in a vassal game Id need a bit to be a bit more familiar with it and can after Sunday. Did you have pt total etc in mind?

rigeld2 wrote:a) If I have the time I'll let you know, however...
b) You have a preconceived notion, and it's not likely anything will change it. Have fun.

My only notion is that grey knights are over-powered. As said earlier on I was actually rooting for the nids as I used to have them and I miss playing them.

Draigo wrote:Well to play you in a vassal game Id need a bit to be a bit more familiar with it and can after Sunday. Did you have pt total etc in mind?

The same point level would work for this scenario. I just posted some commentary to the pictures now they are in the OP.

Also if you want I can give you a rundown of the controls sometime to show you how it works. It is easy to catch on . I will know tomorrow night what list I will be taking to the indy GT

So are you or myself running the gk?
Yea Ill need a quick rundown of the controls. I just downloaded the program roughly 4 days ago. I meant to use it to get in some practice for the tourney this saturday but work and painting kept me busy.I dont like going to tourneys where things arent painted. I just added 2 new dreadknights to my growing Ordos Malleus army. Now well over 10k pts. lol

Note - I'm not trying to say anything about either generals abilities in general, the strength of the lists, or the power level of the codexes involved...

I'm just saying that Trygons not making it to the other board edge before turn 6 makes this battle report invalid.

rigeld2 wrote:Note - I'm not trying to say anything about either generals abilities in general, the strength of the lists, or the power level of the codexes involved...

I'm just saying that Trygons not making it to the other board edge before turn 6 makes this battle report invalid.

Ill admit he played conservative and wanted to attack a whole force rather then trickling in little by little. The problem is his trygons rolled poorly on there run moves and then there were occasions where units in from of them that were giving them cover were also slowing them down. Had my opponent not worried about cover so much it might of been more of a pitched battle instead of a one sided fight.

The batrep was not entertaining in the least. That and knowing you used it to make your case is a bad combo.

Although nids had some questionable tactics, the dice also played a part in this game.

While GK's weren't doing that much with their shooting initially (the first 2 turns), GK shooting was hot thereafterwards. GK's killed all 3 tervigons...some with FNP!...in the next 2 turns. Tervigons were literally failing almost all of their saves and FNP's. Then those tervigons took out most of the termagants nearby.

So it seems as if the combination of tactics and dice led to the domination of the nids in this game.

That makes some sense. Also note that what I was saying is that any other gunline army (IG for example) would've performed similarly against those Nids. This batrep doesn't prove anything as far as the "overpoweredness" of GKs.

rigeld2 wrote:That makes some sense. Also note that what I was saying is that any other gunline army (IG for example) would've performed similarly against those Nids. This batrep doesn't prove anything as far as the "overpoweredness" of GKs.

So GK are not OP at all because IG could of done the same thing. That is totally a valid argument...

It is a combination of two things. A grey knight army that can assault and still shoot as much as an IG army if not more in some cases. This was less GK OP then it was Nids inability to compete with them.

I'm glad you completely got my point.

Oh, nope. You locked on to IG and didn't let go. I said any gunline army. And this batrep doesn't show much about gk cc - their shooting destroyed the nids before cc was an option.

rigeld2 wrote:I'm glad you completely got my point.

Oh, nope. You locked on to IG and didn't let go. I said any gunline army. And this batrep doesn't show much about gk cc - their shooting destroyed the nids before cc was an option.

So now any gunline army can board wipe nids not just beat them but board wipe them. The point was to show that nids could not compete with GK's as well as supporting that GK's are OP. I am sorry if all those I6 force weapons and such didnt get enough action for you. I assure you though that had he had more models reach my lines they would of devastated them. 2 halberd GK instant killed a Trygon a 200 point model.

Yes, when fed into the enemy gunline like they were, any gunline would wipe them up.

Yes, force weapons suck. Man, that makes GK overpowered. Thanks for clarifying that.

All I'm saying is that drawing conclusions based on this battle is likely to give you the wrong idea. Search for Jankthin (iirc) fighting jy2. It wasn't a board wipe.

Tyranids fighting any of the top codexes have a steep uphill battle right now - just walking up the board is not enough to win.

rigeld2 wrote:Yes, when fed into the enemy gunline like they were, any gunline would wipe them up.

Yes, force weapons suck. Man, that makes GK overpowered. Thanks for clarifying that.

All I'm saying is that drawing conclusions based on this battle is likely to give you the wrong idea. Search for Jankthin (iirc) fighting jy2. It wasn't a board wipe.

Tyranids fighting any of the top codexes have a steep uphill battle right now - just walking up the board is not enough to win.

This battle is just merely data submitted to help prove a point. It is by no means a be all end all conclusion that well since this happened it happens every time now. With any data there can be several D and ID variables that affect the outcome. This match repeated with the same players moving the same routes could yield a completely different result altogether. The GK list was chosen and ran whereas the nid list was tailored and still the GK emerged victorious with a mission of all of the enemy must perish. Such data supports the opinion that GK are OP especially since the only thing lost on the GK side was 1 rhino and 3 purifiers.