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Well since we are on the topic of new artificier armor appearing suddenly...that new sempiternal weave that the necrons have looks nice .

Yes, it does look rather nice doesn't it?

lol, did the necrons have that in the previous edition fluff?

Decio wrote:Yes, it does look rather nice doesn't it?

lol, did the necrons have that in the previous edition fluff?

Nope. Completely new addition. Not even mentioned in the background, actually.

Yes, armor saves were clearly stolen from Chaos. They don't exist anywhere except in the Chaos Space Marines codex, so it must be stealing. Clearly...

^ except in this case the Necrons had that first. Being a lot older and such.

don_mondo wrote:Vendetta.

12 12 10; Fast Skimmer; 12 transport capacity; BS3; Twin-linked weapons.
Totally not stolen from some xenos codex.
Only more weapons, cheaper (considering similar weapons), scout, DS, chute insertion, built in extra armour at the cost of shield.

Sephyr wrote:
-Relic Blade (SM): Use to be called Dark Blade and be more avialable. I guess they scratched off the 8-point stars and aded extra aquilas to make sure!

Dark Angels had it before that. It's called the Sword of Secrets.

-Gray Hunters(SW): Troops that can have flexible configurations, spam special weapons, and remember to bring their pistol and sword in addition to the bolter for better CC options? I've seen this before....

Space Wolves did this first, too. It's called True Grit.

-Saga of the Bear? (SW): Not sure this is the right name. Anyway, once upon a time you could make a chaos HQ an Eternal Warrior buying a Daemonic Rune. Apparently it was ruled as too strong an ability...if you lack enlarged canines.

And Salamanders could get it by wearing a Scaly cape. Also before the 3.5 Codex.

-Fenris Wolves (SW): You know, I'm sensing a theme here. While the puppies certainly didn't lift Long Fangs from Chaos, all the other near stuff they have has a very 3.5 feel! These used to be Chaos Hounds.

Again, Wolves did it first.

-Artificer armor (SM): Daemon Armor! How dare you turn on us like that!

Marines did that before Chaos even got a 3rd ed book.

Dark Angels had it before that. It's called the Sword of Secrets.

Yes, course Dark Angels lost the ability to take it too without a SC so they got screwed too.

-Saga of the Bear? (SW): Not sure this is the right name. Anyway, once upon a time you could make a chaos HQ an Eternal Warrior buying a Daemonic Rune. Apparently it was ruled as too strong an ability...if you lack enlarged canines.

Salamanders had a variant where only double toughness did not kill you, all other forms of instant death applied, so it wasn't the same as eternal warrior preventing all forms of instant death. Which is different from Eternal warrior that it could be considered a first for Chaos due in part.

Again, Wolves did it first.

Chaos had them before 3.5 dex with their 3.0 dex, which came out before space puppies.

Feb 1999 vs April 2000

So no here.

Marines did that before Chaos even got a 3rd ed book

Everyone did, everyone could take it in 2E!

I would like to add in the fact that Bloodtalons take from the 3E chaos codex as well, the Axe of Khorne

So, the upshot here is to use my CSM models, but with the SW book?

Marine tax?

What kinds of marines have two thumbs and have to pay for grenades? Black Templars!

Minirant aside, would rather have to pay for grenades than lose mantle and PotMS vindicators

^ What kind of marine doesn't have two thumbs?

Decio wrote:^ What kind of marine doesn't have two thumbs?

I'm not sure but I believe you could find plenty of possessed marines that don't have two thumbs.

Dark Angels have been robbed of a number of things that made them unique. It almost feels like every other army is the test bed for future SM books.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Decio wrote:^ What kind of marine doesn't have two thumbs?

I'm not sure but I believe you could find plenty of possessed marines that don't have two thumbs.

They did have two thumbs before traitor-ism though.

combatmedic wrote:Dark Angels have been robbed of a number of things that made them unique. It almost feels like every other army is the test bed for future SM books.

Most of the Dark Angels' "chapter-specific" options were actually available to all Marines in the 2nd edition codex.

I have to say that a lot of the stuff that was considered too powerful in 3.5 CSM and was removed for the next edition has eventually made its way into other codices in some form or another. So does that mean those abilities are still over powered or just normal now? You have actually pointed something out to me that I had never actually paid any attention to. Thanks.