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Yeah, it's going super-quick. Only 3.5k to go!

Early bird pledges are a great way of getting some initial momentum going.

I'm predicting this one is gonna do really well for them. Looks great and I know there's a pretty good sized market for "fantasy football" minis, so why not sci fi too. I'd jump in on this one, but I'm all tapped out now :( In the last few months I've bought into Ogre, Sedition Wars, Dropzone Commander, 40K 6th ed and now X-wing and a Dreamforge Leviathan. No idea when I'll even get to play all those games let alone paint this stuff

The ref is going to be either a separate metal blister or a stretch goal.
...I'm assuming it'll be hit in the first few days.

 Necros wrote:
I'm predicting this one is gonna do really well for them. Looks great and I know there's a pretty good sized market for "fantasy football" minis, so why not sci fi too. I'd jump in on this one, but I'm all tapped out now :( In the last few months I've bought into Ogre, Sedition Wars, Dropzone Commander, 40K 6th ed and now X-wing and a Dreamforge Leviathan. No idea when I'll even get to play all those games let alone paint this stuff

Looking at the figures, I guess it'd be reasonably easy to convert your own extra players using figures from the WHFB/KoW/WP/40k lines. Hopefully stretch goals will jack up the two main pledge levels with enough extra players so that you can field a "full" team including the rest of the squads as SS alluded to. Actually, the "alternate poses" might(?) fill that hole. I just hope they don't delay in adding extra minis. Look at Relic Knights to see how well they started, and how badly they've stalled.

I'm just grateful that this time around they made it a real kickstarter, with clear goals and stretches ready out the gate. Looks like they learned a lot from the last one, that was a complete mess at first. This time around it's crystal clear what you're getting, and where they're going with the money they get in.

The game itself looks good, all-plastic sports games are pretty rare, and the sci-fi setting certainly interests me a heck of a lot more than Grind did. It is a bit pricey for what you get, but since it's almost already funded I can only see it getting better and better by the time it finishes. Part of what makes KS projects so fun is you get to look at what would have released if they had done it themselves, and watch as it evolves, I can't wait to see where this one goes.

To be fair, I think the first time around they were just trying to get a little bit of extra money to make some moulds, and got completely taken by surprise and overwhelmed. They've clearly taken a lot of note from Sedition Wars and other successful campaigns in the meantime.

How much of it is "if they would have done it themselves" and how much is directly added via the Kickstarter is debatable, though. Once again, I point to the RK KS - not to mention the fact that they clearly have the other teams and star players etc sculpted and even up for retailer pre-orders (they're even pre-listed in the pledge levels!)

 Kalamadea wrote:

The game itself looks good, all-plastic sports games are pretty rare, and the sci-fi setting certainly interests me a heck of a lot more than Grind did. It is a bit pricey for what you get, but since it's almost already funded I can only see it getting better and better by the time it finishes. Part of what makes KS projects so fun is you get to look at what would have released if they had done it themselves, and watch as it evolves, I can't wait to see where this one goes.

At this point, because I'm really not getting a ton of benefit from pledging, I'll wait toA) see if The 25th Anniversary BloodBowl box is a reality, and B) see how much cheaper it will be at a place like the warstore afterwards.

I went in at the Early Bird Striker level. It's hard to justify the cost right now, but if it's not a good deal by the end of September I can always withdraw or reduce my pledge.

I'm a big enough fan of Blood Bowl that I suspect I'll be happy with this one anyway.

And... funded!

Time to get into the meat of this thing, I have an email from Mantic that says both Jack ($100) and Striker ($150) levels are going to be getting the freebies.

This doesn't seem like a great deal right now, but the way these other kickstarters have been going the value might be completely different after a few weeks.

...aaand, it's the ref in all games, ever, at $40.000.

$40,000 – The Ref
This is the Referee and she is one mean mamma. With eyes literally in the back of her head she watches out for fouls, and players take it in turns to move her a random number of hexes based on the card they draw from the pack.

She’s a real beauty of a figure and if we pass through this goal, we’ll add the Ref to every copy of DreadBall – The Futuristic Sports Game, ever!

Thanks again for your support and for joining us on this crazy journey. Please keep spreading the word and let's see where we end up.

yeah,
I disagree with change of threads.
Why should anyone have preferance over another as to who gets to run a thread...
as far as I'm concerned the old thread was serving the
purpose of bringing news to people.

Boohoo you didn't get to update the OP.

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I disagree with change of threads.
Why should anyone have preferance over another as to who gets to run a thread...
as far as I'm concerned the old thread was serving the
purpose of bringing news to people.

Boohoo you didn't get to update the OP.

Panic...

yes, because anything providing coherent and informative, let alone even somewhat positive, coverage of mantic subjects in pretty much the same way that is managed for other topics at times is just very, very bad for you somehow, isn't it?
I'm sure that if the TS on the other topic had volunteered to keep updating the OP mods would have left it in his hands. As it stands, this approach makes for better and clearer information for those of us actually looking for that and it's not as if you're not capable of dropping your same old tired turds on this topic just as well. so please, continue. keep on spending minute after minute explaining why this game/project isn't worth your time...

I grabbed one of the early bird strikers and I am quite happy with the listed products received, however given the KOW kickstarter and the extra loot i got with my pledge there I figure this is only going to become a better deal.

The human figures interest me for thier heads, I would likely cut them off and make them SM helmets.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I disagree with change of threads.
Why should anyone have preferance over another as to who gets to run a thread...
as far as I'm concerned the old thread was serving the
purpose of bringing news to people.

Boohoo you didn't get to update the OP.

Panic...

No huge deal. Better that someone who will keep the OP updated has the ability to do so on these things. It's not like criticism is not allowed.

yeah,

Bolognesus wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I disagree with change of threads.
Why should anyone have preferance over another as to who gets to run a thread...
as far as I'm concerned the old thread was serving the
purpose of bringing news to people.

Boohoo you didn't get to update the OP.

Panic...

yes, because anything providing coherent and informative, let alone even somewhat positive, coverage of mantic subjects in pretty much the same way that is managed for other topics at times is just very, very bad for you somehow, isn't it?
I'm sure that if the TS on the other topic had volunteered to keep updating the OP mods would have left it in his hands. As it stands, this approach makes for better and clearer information for those of us actually looking for that and it's not as if you're not capable of dropping your same old tired turds on this topic just as well. so please, continue. keep on spending minute after minute explaining why this game/project isn't worth your time...

Regardless of how you thing it should be done, this isn't how things are done around here.
we always lock duplicate threads based on who posted the information first. regardless of the quality of the OP.
this preserves the previous dialogue that's already been had.

Who is to say that a thread run by a mantic fanboy is better for dakka than a thread run by someone else.

Can I declair myself a better OP updater and demand this thread closed so that I can open another thread that is more balanced in the reporting of the product?

Panic...

SeanDrake wrote:
I grabbed one of the early bird strikers and I am quite happy with the listed products received, however given the KOW kickstarter and the extra loot i got with my pledge there I figure this is only going to become a better deal.

It'll pretty much have to be - at this point you'd be better off buying at discount after release... all you'd not get that way right now is a print of the front cover and your name listed somewhere. even early bird striker is only <7% off of MSRP.
...of course in a few weeks time this will hopefully be a whole different story, and if not you can always cancel, so pledge!

Well I'm fine with the change of venue!

I'm moving into a college dorm right now so I wont be on Dakka for a few hours I bet so if I had the original topic I wouldnt be able to update it throughout the day.

Whatever the mods are ok with

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

Bolognesus wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
I disagree with change of threads.
Why should anyone have preferance over another as to who gets to run a thread...
as far as I'm concerned the old thread was serving the
purpose of bringing news to people.

Boohoo you didn't get to update the OP.

Panic...

yes, because anything providing coherent and informative, let alone even somewhat positive, coverage of mantic subjects in pretty much the same way that is managed for other topics at times is just very, very bad for you somehow, isn't it?
I'm sure that if the TS on the other topic had volunteered to keep updating the OP mods would have left it in his hands. As it stands, this approach makes for better and clearer information for those of us actually looking for that and it's not as if you're not capable of dropping your same old tired turds on this topic just as well. so please, continue. keep on spending minute after minute explaining why this game/project isn't worth your time...

Regardless of how you thing it should be done, this isn't how things are done around here.
we always lock duplicate threads based on who posted the information first. regardless of the quality of the OP.
this preserves the previous dialogue that's already been had.

Who is to say that a thread run by a mantic fanboy is better for dakka than a thread run by someone else.

Can I declair myself a better OP updater and demand this thread closed so that I can open another thread that is more balanced in the reporting of the product?

Panic...

...but it is, this is far from the first topic given preference not on time of first post but on quality of OP and updates thereof.
now if you had any ability of communicating information regarding mantic without a thick, thick slant to it perhaps yes, you'd be a superior OP maintainer. wouldn't mind that - if you could lay off of the manticbashing for a moment.
go and look at SS's original KoW KS OP. sure, he likes the product, that much is obvious. but he makes clear what is opinion and what is fact and took a lot of time to clarify a dazzling amount of the latter, stating simply which pledge got what, which extra had what later expected MSRP, clarifying things and keeping nicely organised lists of stuff.
these were factual, detailed, helpful.
quite the opposite to the turds you keep dropping on Every.Single.Mantic.Thread...

edit and besides, if you take issue with mod actions like this please take that to the appropriate forum instead of derailing this thread as you are so wont to... and yes I'll stop backseatmodding myself too, now

yeah,

 kenshin620 wrote:
Well I'm fine with the change of venue!

I'm moving into a college dorm right now so I wont be on Dakka for a few hours I bet so if I had the original topic I wouldnt be able to update it throughout the day.

Whatever the mods are ok with

While it's good that your happy with this upheaval.
I don't think dakka should start giving threads to people who want OP status because they believe that they are more worthy?

Thin end of the wedge and all... And if this is dakkas new direction I vote that kroothawk be given every thread.

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 kenshin620 wrote:
Well I'm fine with the change of venue!

I'm moving into a college dorm right now so I wont be on Dakka for a few hours I bet so if I had the original topic I wouldnt be able to update it throughout the day.

Whatever the mods are ok with

While it's good that your happy with this upheaval.
I don't think dakka should start giving threads to people who want OP status because they believe that they are more worthy?

Thin end of the wedge and all... And if this is dakkas new direction I vote that kroothawk be given every thread.

Panic...

yes I'm sure KH would *love* a fulltime unpaid job.
worthy? wth? for the love of god will you stop twisting peoples words just this once?!? he's willing to take the time to list and update information and has a proven good track record in that field.
oh well, never thought I'd use that "ignore" list but I really do advise anyone reading this topic to do the same; never ever has Panic posted a single morsel of useful information in a mantic thread or, as far as I can remember, anywhere else in N&R so let's save ourselves the whining

So its been confirmed that the 100 and 150 level pledges will get stuff from the stretch goals added?

I'll be keeping a close eye on the stretch goals as right now the human and ork teams really dont interest me and 80 bucks for the starter set plus a bunch of models I dont have interest in is a little iffy for me....but if some awesome stuff gets thrown into the $100 pledge then it wont be hard for me to look past models I dont want


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Also might be nice to take the off topic thread starter rage somewhere else...

A mod had no problem with a new thread so maybe its best to discuss with him

@Ironicsilence SS said so - I do believe it's been bandied about both on the mantic forums and the comment thread on KS. no link for you right now but it's fair to say that's likely how it'll work. it fits their earlier approach as well.

yeah

Bolognesus wrote:
...quite the opposite to the turds you keep dropping on Every.Single.Mantic.Thread...

I'd hardly say That I was posting turds...
I thought it was quite the balanced look at a mantic game that looks a lot like a GW game.

Bolognesus wrote:
never ever has Panic posted a single morsel of useful information in a mantic thread or, as far as I can remember, anywhere else in N&R so let's save ourselves the whining

And I had price info up before anyone else.
And I do want to see the rules and will proabibly buy a copy of this game for the pitch.

And back OT I think its a shame that mantic thinks it's PDF is worth $10...
I was expected the dreadball rules .PDF to be given out free.
GWs specialist games have free .PDFs... just saying...

Panic...

@Ironic: Yeah, $100 and $150 will be the levels that get all the goodies.

Mantic tends to be quite generous with these things, so expect a mixture of single models and entire teams to appear as freebies. Wouldn't be surprised to see an extra 50 or so miniatures thrown in by the end of this.

 Panic wrote:
While it's good that your happy with this upheaval.
I don't think dakka should start giving threads to people who want OP status because they believe that they are more worthy?

Thin end of the wedge and all... And if this is dakkas new direction I vote that kroothawk be given every thread.

Panic...

Totally agree. All sorts of information about what the game actually entails was lost all because one of Mickey's magical brooms had to carry water and sweep things under the rug at the same time. The old thread had valid questions, concerns and discussion going on. This 'clean thread' is the hallmark of a paid marketing person on behalf of a corporation. No Kickstarter or company should be 'owned' a one-sided positive only thread, that is what their kickstarter page for. Presenting a one-sided rosey impression of their business model and product. 3rd party unaffiliated discussion boards are not for that which is why it is pretty unreasonable for every single Mantic thread to be horribly censored and cleaned like it was a corporate website.

People are being asked to pre-order a game which they have absolutely no idea what it is... and possibly unseen minis which they have no idea what they look like. The only reason this Kickstarter isn't a total mess is because they actually have a few painted examples which lends some legitimacy to it. I feel most of the previous thread was legitimate discussion.

And onto the game... I want to know more about the tourney/leauge rules for teams growing from game to game and if it has rules for that form of format. (both a static 3-6 game tourney or a multiweek league system and player growth if any.)

nkelsch wrote:
The old thread had valid questions, concerns and discussion going on. This 'clean thread' is the hallmark of a paid marketing person on behalf of a corporation. No Kickstarter or company should be 'owned' a one-sided positive only thread, that is what their kickstarter page for. Presenting a one-sided rosey impression of their business model and product. 3rd party unaffiliated discussion boards are not for that which is why it is pretty unreasonable for every single Mantic thread to be horribly censored and cleaned like it was a corporate website.

feel free to copy/paste anything you feel relevant. as you say, it's a discussion board. I'm sure any questions left unanswered will be quickly answered here.
and really, how is this a "one sided positive only thread"? isn't panic up to his usual antics? are you not allowed to post your POV?

Bolognesus wrote:

feel free to copy/paste anything you feel relevant. as you say, it's a discussion board. I'm sure any questions left unanswered will be quickly answered here.
and really, how is this a "one sided positive only thread"? isn't panic up to his usual antics? are you not allowed to post your POV?

Yes, by removing the old thread and everyone's previous comments and restarting the thread with only specific information and constantly having people constantly have post removed and new threads every time someone feels the 'image' of the thread has fallen of message is disturbing.

Corporate news posts threads don't need a focused message... people can go to the link on the first post to read the corporate message.

I find a lot of the posts on page 5 of the previous thread good analysis of the value of the kickstarter... all of that was not moved to this thread and is lost in a locked thread people won't see.

Also, I see the 'packages' and see that it is designed around people who want multiple teams or multiple boxed sets. I personally would ever only want one team (orcs) and one board... so I am deincentivised to invest higher than specific amounts. Now being an ork collector, I would possibly consider it if I knew the sprues and if I could figure out a way to get enough models via the kickstarter to make my team for the game as well as have models for conversions and fun for other gaming systems where a space armored ork/goblin are needed.

But of course, I can always consider waiting for Mantic to release marauders which actually have the ork proportions I want and look like space warriors instead of attempting to convert dreadball orks... but that being said... since all i want are the orc figures, my goal is to find the best way to get hose in bulk or not at all. I think other people may think similar about the humans... or other teams. Maybe a goal with just raw sprue count availble?