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Lets look at the next step.

The rules say the model fires the Gun Emplacement instead of its own weapon.

How does this effect vehicles??

coredump wrote:
Lets look at the next step.

The rules say the model fires the Gun Emplacement instead of its own weapon.

How does this effect vehicles??

Rhinos have storm bolters.

Razorbacks have twin linked heavy bolters or an upgraded weapon.

Chimeras have Multi-Lasers.

Landraiders have TL Lascannons, Flamestorm cannons or Hurricane bolters.

Most vehicles have weapons. How does a vehicle fire its own weapons?

Brothererekose wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Yes, vehicles can fire weapon emplacements. Whether .... topic for another thread.

HJ, would you actually *play* it like this?

A little RAI common sense, perhaps?

Or am I asking for the unlikely?

Pretty much, this.

Please, stop trying to break the game and just play it. If the rules are too much for you, maybe another game would be better...

Yes, but only if they have a window that can be rolled down if they park next to it. The driver needs to be able to reach out to operate the gun.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Yes, vehicles can fire weapon emplacements. Whether .... topic for another thread.

HJ, would you actually *play* it like this?

A little RAI common sense, perhaps?

Or am I asking for the unlikely?

Pretty much, this.

Please, stop trying to break the game and just play it. If the rules are too much for you, maybe another game would be better...

Ah but my friend, finding ways to get through loopholes and exploiting oversights is how you get the new meta. Having an AV14 that would otherwise be doing little to nothing against a flyer with the capability to decimate them.... Well its nice. That being said, lets think for a moment that everyone agrees that this is legal, Could the tank fire any other weapons normally that turn? (Barring POTMS and other similar effects)

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:

Happyjew wrote:
Yes, vehicles can fire weapon emplacements. Whether .... topic for another thread.

HJ, would you actually *play* it like this?

A little RAI common sense, perhaps?

Or am I asking for the unlikely?

Pretty much, this.

Please, stop trying to break the game and just play it. If the rules are too much for you, maybe another game would be better...

How does this break the game?

Just to muddy the waters a bit. I would like to point out flyers could fire emplaced weapons, even while zooming.

To be perfectly honest that makes less sense. If a zooming flyer can do it, there is no way a stationary vehicle shouldnt be able to.

 Nemesor Dave wrote:
Yes, but only if they have a window that can be rolled down if they park next to it. The driver needs to be able to reach out to operate the gun.

What of those that only have tentacled appendages?

Really, electronic links, short range mind powers, etc.. a lot of ways to control the gun fluffwise.

Telekinesis? The tentacled thing typically has some method of manipulating it's surroundings, otherwise how the heck is it pilotting it's own vehicle in the first place?

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Ah but my friend, finding ways to get through loopholes and exploiting oversights is how you get the new meta. Having an AV14 that would otherwise be doing little to nothing against a flyer with the capability to decimate them.... Well its nice. That being said, lets think for a moment that everyone agrees that this is legal, Could the tank fire any other weapons normally that turn? (Barring POTMS and other similar effects)

This is already under discussion (unless the thread died) in the thread titled "Skyfire Spam" or something like that. It started off proposing the idea that since MC can fire multiple weapons, and the wording of the Skyfire rule, a MC can fire a Weapon Emplacement, and fire a second weapon gaining the Skyfire rule as well. The thread then got slightly off-topic with whether or not a model that can fire multiple weapons, can fire a weapon emplacement and one of their own.

tgf wrote:
Just to muddy the waters a bit. I would like to point out flyers could fire emplaced weapons, even while zooming.

how can a Flyer do this?

Emplaced Weapons are either inside buildings or on the battlements of buildings.

A Flyer can not occupy or be placed on the battlements(usually because it wont fit or another model is already there)

Second the base of a Flyer is ignored for all other purposes except to measure distances to other models(1 inch rule) and embarking/disembarking. There it cannot be bast to base with a gun emplacement or emplaced weapons.

ADL is not a building and you can have an emplaced weapon put on it.

A Gun Emplacement you mean, which is what caused 40k-noob's confusion.

Emplaced Weapons are the built-in ones on the Bastion/Fortress.

My mistake. Thank you shan. Yes thats what I meant.

SoloFalcon1138 --- Point Solo for his fine answer.

I second what he said and use some common sense and stop trying to loophole the S*** out of this game for the sake of it.

Guess I am just lucky my FLGS, and home rules use common sense and RAI. Its not a great leap to think a vehicle with no hands could shoot the gun. If there was any vehicle that could it would have to have fire points and the dudes inside would fire it not the rhino, or other such vehicle.

Quite frankly however its a much funner game when theres a chance for your dude to get shot off the dang thing, and force you into scramble mode and such.

So it appears that RAW yes you can, however many people will hate you for it. Cheers Dakka.

rigeld2 wrote:
How does this break the game?

I said this earlier and got no response. I've posted one way for it to work fluff-wise, and I don't see any issues rules-wise with it working...
There's no loophole. It's not overly powerful.

I don't get the objections. Perhaps someone could explain it?

People dont want somethign thats AV14 to be able to shoot down fliers while retaining a 4+ cover save.

You can't do this. Although the BRB says to measure to the hull for things that require measuring, the quad gun doesn't say measure. It says models in base contact. The vehicle wording about measuring to the hull does not give permission that the quad gun requires for firing.

So yes - vehicles with bases (walkers, the new slaanesh chariots, etc) can fire a quad gun, but other vehicles cannot.

You can't assault vehicles without bases then? Since you can't get into b2b contact if they don't have a base...

Pg. 76. Assaulting Vehicles does not mention touching the hull or anything. It says you charge vehicles the same as 'other enemy units' (i.e. Infantry).

You either accept that all b2b issues and range issues are resolved by measuring/touching at the hull or the game breaks a little.

Killjoy00 wrote:
You can't do this. Although the BRB says to measure to the hull for things that require measuring, the quad gun doesn't say measure. It says models in base contact. The vehicle wording about measuring to the hull does not give permission that the quad gun requires for firing.

So yes - vehicles with bases (walkers, the new slaanesh chariots, etc) can fire a quad gun, but other vehicles cannot.

Base contact for a vehicle is hull otherwise you wouldnt be able to charge it.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
People dont want somethign thats AV14 to be able to shoot down fliers while retaining a 4+ cover save.

Just kill the Quad gun. It is T7 W2 3+ save.

Not that hard to kill.

ehhhh......
Have you tried to kill something that is T-7 with a 3+? Harder than it appears. Regardless, a question was asked and I answered it.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
Excelent. My doom scythe is safe for another day. That being said, do they really have anything that can deal with flyers?

Yes FMC where given the option to skyfire flyer style.

No, you have specific permission to charge the hull. You do not have permission to use the hull for shooting the quad gun.

Cite the page and paragraph. Give you a hint, its somewhere in 5th.

Shandra already covered that argument if you want to read their post.

Zoom flyer on to touch Gun Emplacement, fire normal weapons.

On opponents turn use interceptor skyfire to blast a flyer that comes on.

Jink if shot at.

Turboboost off the board if you need to the next turn.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
People dont want somethign thats AV14 to be able to shoot down fliers while retaining a 4+ cover save.

I'm still not sure how that breaks the game. It's frustrating to be sure, but not game breaking.

This thread is why we can't have nice things.