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Do what a guy at my store is doing, and converting IG heavy stubbers (the 50 cal looking guns we mount on our tanks) into reaper autocannons. It's a pretty easy conversion, and they look pretty well proportioned with the marines.

My best suggestion would be getting a bunch of Guard heavy weapons, assembling them with missile launchers or lascannons, and using the spare autocannons on some CSM bodies for autocannons. It'd be a little easier than making them entirely from scratch, but it'd involve getting a Guard allied detachment up and running.

...It just occurred to me that if I decided to start making a Corsair army out of spare parts I'd be about as far from this problem as it's possible to get due to the sheer volume of spare Eldar heavy weapons I've got lying around...

Chancetragedy wrote:
Seriously. Just be happy you can even get the bits in a kit. SM dreads that want MM can only get them from OOP AOBR dreads.

And it's the same thing for devs too. 12 boxes to equip 12 ML, or MM.

Just because it happens in no way means it should be acceptable. Seriously, this is a really sad outlook to have.

If only there were people on some auction websites that sold bitz for cheap....

 Fafnir wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:
Seriously. Just be happy you can even get the bits in a kit. SM dreads that want MM can only get them from OOP AOBR dreads.

And it's the same thing for devs too. 12 boxes to equip 12 ML, or MM.

Just because it happens in no way means it should be acceptable. Seriously, this is a really sad outlook to have.

While this is true it doesn't change the fact that this is the way it's going to be and is right now.

 kronk wrote:

Firstborn wrote:

 kronk wrote:
As Pretre said, it isn't a GW thing, but a courtesy to your opponent. I shouldn't have to keep a notebook to know what your units are every game, thanks!

But that's a topic for another thread.

Not really. If you can't remember that the only heavy weapons in my army are autocannons, perhaps 40K is not for you.
People sub out wargear all the time, nothing wrong with it.

Yes really. Bring the right gear or don't come to the table.

A substitution here or there is fine, but don't tell me this flamer is a meltagun but that flamer is a plasma gun, this gaunt is a guardsman with a flamer, and this ratling is a Lord Kommisar with a power sword and bolt pistol.

I spend a lot of time making sure my stuff is 100% WYSIWYG. Do the same, please.

That is your business. I dont care to and am not going to do it. I have never had an issue in a tournament. I have even seen tos
Substitute wargear. It is a 40k urban legend, and is asinine.

And to clarify, I am not saying substitute models (i.e. this guardsmen is a guant, this terminator is a dread, etc). That is a whole other kettle of fish; and I would agree is not appropriate
outside of test games. I am specifically talking about wargear, and wargear only.

Your personal experience at tournaments doesn't make something an urban legend.

 L0rdF1end wrote:
So, in order to equip 3 squads of Havocs with your preffered weapon, in my case Autocannons you'd have to buy 12 boxes at £25.50 each. Only 306 quid...

Exactly.

Cha-ching!

Firstborn wrote:

That is your business. I dont care to and am not going to do it. I have never had an issue in a tournament. I have even seen tos
Substitute wargear. It is a 40k urban legend, and is asinine.

I don't think you know what Urban Legend means, nor do I care what your local tournaments do. When did I ever say tournament, anyway.

If you want to play me, do what i do, bring the right stuff or stay home.

Calling me asinine is a personal attack, by the way. You might want to cut back on your coffee.

 kronk wrote:

Firstborn wrote:

That is your business. I dont care to and am not going to do it. I have never had an issue in a tournament. I have even seen tos
Substitute wargear. It is a 40k urban legend, and is asinine.

I don't think you know what Urban Legend means, nor do I care what your local tournaments do. When did I ever say tournament, anyway.

If you want to play me, do what i do, bring the right stuff or stay home.

Calling me asinine is a personal attack, by the way. You might want to cut back on your coffee.

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. I have been playing since 3rd, and I say it is a non-issue.
By the same token, if you want to play me you will accept this or you can stay home.

And I never made a personal attack on you. I was saying I believe being anal about wargear (not proxying models, big difference) is
asinine in general. Read it again sir!

Ignoring the WYSIWYG banter...

To the OP. I had a long discussion about this lastnight. My friend and I were talking about GWs strange packaging of units.

I think I brought this up before but GW does it all wrong. They want to sqeeze as much money out of you as possible and they do it the wrong way.

A box of 10 Space Marines should came with 10 Space marines with bolters. No extra bits. The price of the box should drop to $25.

Then there should be a box of Assault arms, Jumppacks and running legs for about $20. Then a box of Heavy weapons. 2 of each weapon, the arms to hold them and the backpacks.

Now you might say that it would still cost you $40 for 4 autocannons... but you also would have 4 heavy bolters, 4 missile lauinchers ect.

This can be done with alomst every army except Tau and Daemons. Even more so if a few armies were redesigned.

My friends counter argument was that GW would turn a profit from the idea.

To which I said how so? He said that going with my idea wouldn't earn as much cash. Space Marines($25) + Assault Upgrades($20) = $45. Not the same as GWs $50+ for 10 assault marines.

I then explained "Yeah but in my..."dreamscape" there wouldn't be any assault weapons or power weapons in either kit. You'd have to buy both seperately. See?"

After a while I got him to see it my way. Not agreeing with everything but seeing what I was going for. He was curious how I'd make GW even more profits.

"Easy," I exclaimed "People always buy stupid crap. Especially GW fans. I'd sell a bad ass commander model. Then the same model with "one wound" then another with "two wounds" ect..."

In the long run none of this really applies to me anymore. I dont buy GW. I stopped after the last price hike. I own my army. My friends have theirs. We switched to collecting Warmahordes for the time being.

Or you could, you know, just wait for these to come out.

 Darth Bob wrote:
Or you could, you know, just wait for these to come out.

I haven't seen those. They are super cool.

Is there a release date?

I'm using my old 2nd edition Noise Marines with Blastmasters as Autocannons, but that's only because all of the OTHER NM's in my army are using the newer bits, so the antique BM's don't really look like anything else in the army.

That also lets me field that Havoc squad as having AC's, HB's, LC's... pretty much anything in the list except MAYBE Missile Launchers.

That said... it seems that heavy bolters might be easier to come by and if that's the case, giving them long barrels is a perfectly fine way to create autocannons. Magnetize them, and you can swap!

Firstborn wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:
Or you could, you know, just wait for these to come out.

I haven't seen those. They are super cool.

Is there a release date?

Not yet, but I'd bet they'll be out in the next month or so. All of the models that were available at the UK games day aren't up yet, and I don't think these were available then.

So, they're probably in the que. Check out the Forge World UK Games Day thread in News and Rumors (I think). Excellent pictures, man.

in dire circumstances you can just proxy them as autocannons, im sure nobody would mind as long as you make it clear in the beginning.

Chancetragedy wrote:
Seriously. Just be happy you can even get the bits in a kit. SM dreads that want MM can only get them from OOP AOBR dreads.

And it's the same thing for devs too. 12 boxes to equip 12 ML, or MM.

first have you looked at the Chaos Dreadnaught? It is only availible with a multimelta, no autocannons, no missile launcher, no lascannon, no plasma cannon. Just a multimelta

and as for devistators, at least you can get a set of lascannons or plasma cannons in the box. And SM tactical squads get a missile launcher. Chaos get heavy bolters, which are oo so useful


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 L0rdF1end wrote:
Just phoned mail order GW line.
They do not sell Havoc heavy weapons on their own.
So, in order to equip 3 squads of Havocs with your preffered weapon, in my case Autocannons you'd have to buy 12 boxes at £25.50 each. Only 306 quid...
Their advice was to check auction sites lol.

This is one of the reasons why I have a love/hate relationship with GW.

People are saying IG IG IG or scratch build and I understand that is sometimes less than cool. I did mine out of ork big shootas and they look very much like the chaos autocannon dude.



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Yah the chaos dread makes my point even better haha. I don't know much about the chaos boxes outside of the space marine and berzerker boxes.

I think magc8ball made the point quite well- if you don't want to go through the pain of magnetising, and therefore aquiring a dozen of each heavy weapon type (bitz sites or not, thats still expensive), then you could consider converting your havocs to have heavy weapons that look nothing like any of the conventional weapons we usually see. Not only does this allow you to use them as whatever you like in a given game, as long as your opponent is clear, but it adds some creativity/originality etc to your army's aesthetic.

For example there was a CSM black library story about a CSM using a lascannon that was shaped liked a weirdly coiled shell/tuba/ thingy, which I imagine doesn't look anything like a normal lascannon. If you modelled all your heavy weapons that way, presto, chaos/warp tainted weapons that can be anything you like, and no magnets.

Pow.

Cast your own. It's easy and there are plenty of tutorials on the web to help you. Then you can stockpile bits to your heart's content and it's perfectly legal as long as you're not selling them.

 60mm wrote:
Cast your own. It's easy and there are plenty of tutorials on the web to help you. Then you can stockpile bits to your heart's content and it's perfectly legal as long as you're not selling them.

Cue heated debate on the legality of casting in 3...2...1...

You can put extended barrels on heavy bolters to make a passable autocannon too. Seen that conversion somewhere and it looked boss.

master of asgard wrote:

 60mm wrote:
Cast your own. It's easy and there are plenty of tutorials on the web to help you. Then you can stockpile bits to your heart's content and it's perfectly legal as long as you're not selling them.

Cue heated debate on the legality of casting in 3...2...1...

It's 100% legal, as in actual-law legal, just as copying your CDs you own is legal as long as you don't sell them. It's not GW-legal, but who can tell when it's painted? Just wanted to clarify that, it drives me nuts that people try to equate GW's stance with actual law. On which, GW has zero say. ZERO. It's legality is completely un-debatable. If copying your own property that you purchased was illegal you wouldn't have CD burners, VHS recorders, Tivo, mold-making components, copy machines, printers, 3d, printers, etc. While GW may loathe the idea, you are legally free to buy a single mini and churn out 5k in points of said model with a few lbs of resin if you so desire as long as they are for your personal use. I don't use casting for that purpose as I value my time, but for missing bits it is fantastic. Especially when it's because GW doesn't include bits the unit has access to, or the bits are flat-out missing with the mini as I've had before.

Took <60 seconds.

http://bitzbarn.com/oscommerce/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_59_323&products_id=1693

Four dollars, minimal conversion required.

master of asgard wrote:

 60mm wrote:
Cast your own. It's easy and there are plenty of tutorials on the web to help you. Then you can stockpile bits to your heart's content and it's perfectly legal as long as you're not selling them.

Cue heated debate on the legality of casting in 3...2...1...

I sense a forum war coming soon, followed by the thread getting locked for being too off-topic.

*Grabs popcorn*

In fact I am already eating popcorn, let the games begin!