Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I am very encouraged by the return here and sticking to it.

Dakka will be a hostile place for you, but this is partially due to a perceived lack of participation in the community. Besides wishing you luck finding employees, I also hope that with a little perseverance and openness we all will hopefully be able to develop a rewarding, mutually beneficial relationship.

Guys, I know it is cool to pile in, but for all those wanting GW to engage with us more, and to feel listened to, this is a genuine chance to take a step in that direction. Let's show some class here and let this gentleman have an honest chance to speak without automatic attacks.

Personally, I hope eventually he is able to make a case to management that it is far better to befriend the community than ignore it.

That being said, this is also a venue where corporate controls are not in place, and engagement with a little frankness and honesty mixed in the standard pr messaging would serve you extremely well Become Legendary NA.

Good luck!

So I've gotten the job and am now CFO.

White Dwarf pages will now come etched in finecast and everything is Jokaero.

 Harriticus wrote:
So I've gotten the job and am now CFO.

White Dwarf pages will now come etched in finecast and everything is Jokaero.

Would be an improvement sadly.

I was looking at your trade sales positions as my dad does that for a large multinational company that produces recreational vehicles and was surprised to learn that it is not a regional position involving daily travel that meets with local vendors. If it were I would apply for my region in a heartbeat.

That's not bad pay at all for a store manager, especially when you're running a store dedicated to the hobby you love. I'd rather run a GW store and engage in something I love on a daily basis than run, for example, a men's warehouse tuxedo rental store and deal with the same kinds of hardships but for something I could care less about...

So you have a very low flat rate starting payment for managers of new stores regardless of what you predict the sales volume to be (which is almost half the wage of "some managers")?

And I assume you only open stores in locations where you feel you will get high sales volumes...

So... you pay them penuts for the first year rather than doing any kind of meaningful payment based on projected sales volumes... classy.

Thank you for posting this.

Please ignore the people who for some strange reason don't like these posts (after all, we have tons of other product or business announcements in this forum).

Now, as soon as you have openings for process consultants or global logistics professionals who also happen to be gamers....

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

To me it is news and good info to have.

I don't see how announcing new stores and or new jobs related to this hobby is much different than a third tier company having an ad that they want to recruit investors in a kickstarter for a related product or service.

davethepak wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

To me it is news and good info to have.

I don't see how announcing new stores and or new jobs related to this hobby is much different than a third tier company having an ad that they want to recruit investors in a kickstarter for a related product or service.

It is only different to those with a vendetta against GW.

It is good that they are being upfront about the pipeline positions. They, quite simply, expect people to fail, and thus need a cue of staff. It is my belief that the failure of a store to make sales is not only on the shoulders of the manager, but also on the location, demographics, stock, hours, advertising, pricing, etc. The latter factors are not under the control of the manger. I certainly would not want to be the 'lucky' new hire that is sent to a failing store. GW generally keeps such stores on life support, with a constant rotation of managers, until the lease is up.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

davethepak wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

To me it is news and good info to have.

I don't see how announcing new stores and or new jobs related to this hobby is much different than a third tier company having an ad that they want to recruit investors in a kickstarter for a related product or service.

It is only different to those with a vendetta against GW.

When one company making recruitment offers on this site then all businesses should allowed to do the same on this site.

That is what I am saying. Fairness to all.

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

davethepak wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

To me it is news and good info to have.

I don't see how announcing new stores and or new jobs related to this hobby is much different than a third tier company having an ad that they want to recruit investors in a kickstarter for a related product or service.

It is only different to those with a vendetta against GW.

When one company making recruitment offers on this site then all businesses should allowed to do the same on this site.

That is what I am saying. Fairness to all.

Please note any company which has not been allowed to do this.

That is about the right pay for a starting retail manager in any chain retail "strip mall" store but they are looking for some one who is enthusiastic for the hobby, thats why they are looking here. If I was at that level in my life I would do it (but I'm way past that). He's saying if you don't make the projected sales for that store you will fail. Put a little effort in (not just showing up for shifts and the bare minimum) you will get bonuses reflecting that, don't and they'll let you go. It's like any corporate postion, thats life (I hate corporate gak so I dont do it). At least he's looking here instead of forcing people they hire to be into the game (unoffically or not). Kudos to the suit from GW for posting here.

I don't know about other stores, but the new Oklahoma City store was put in one of the best retail locations in the entire metro area.

The Portola Plaza store is in a "meh" location. It's across the street from a high school which to GW sounds good, but really only about 3 or 4 teenagers play there. I've seen worse locations though.

 Aerethan wrote:
The Portola Plaza store is in a "meh" location. It's across the street from a high school which to GW sounds good, but really only about 3 or 4 teenagers play there. I've seen worse locations though.

Well there's where a good, imaginative manager could make a killing, pull in more of the kids, run games, promote the heck out of things, make the store a big sucess

Lots of new blood (always easier to get than stealing a customer base from a competing store, expecially as as far as I know GW stores don't discount like some FLGS do for regulars)

Edit: not to suggest I could do it, LOL, but I've known a couple of folk along the way who would have loved to try & would probably succeed

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

davethepak wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Adam LongWalker wrote:
This topic is an Ad for employment and IMHO is neither rumor nor news about the hobby in general. This posting should placed on the Off topic section.

Hmm...an interesting point. This is however related to the war game hobby in general, so perhaps Dakka Discussions instead?

Sure Dakka discussions could fit.

The next question is that since this is setting a precedence of allowing a second tier company (sorry GW you do not make that much money such as the big guys, namely Mattel or Hasbro) to use this site for recruitment and data mining, are you going to allow other companies, regardless of size of business to recruit others for services, such as gainful employment?

To me it is news and good info to have.

I don't see how announcing new stores and or new jobs related to this hobby is much different than a third tier company having an ad that they want to recruit investors in a kickstarter for a related product or service.

It is only different to those with a vendetta against GW.

When one company making recruitment offers on this site then all businesses should allowed to do the same on this site.

That is what I am saying. Fairness to all.

Please note any company which has not been allowed to do this.

Exactly..clearly any other company is free to do the same.

Like I said in the last thread, lets not bother wasting time pretending that this is about anything other than a reslly strange, really small minority of posters who seem to have a bizarre personal hatred of a multinational.

It's good to see Games-Workshop in the wargaming forums, hopefully this will lead to Games-Workshop responding to fan-base demands a little better and help strengthen the bridge between the company and the fanbase.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
The Portola Plaza store is in a "meh" location. It's across the street from a high school which to GW sounds good, but really only about 3 or 4 teenagers play there. I've seen worse locations though.

Well there's where a good, imaginative manager could make a killing, pull in more of the kids, run games, promote the heck out of things, make the store a big sucess

Lots of new blood (always easier to get than stealing a customer base from a competing store, expecially as as far as I know GW stores don't discount like some FLGS do for regulars)

Edit: not to suggest I could do it, LOL, but I've known a couple of folk along the way who would have loved to try & would probably succeed

Except for the fact that in South Orange County high school students are trying to be grown ups and put toys behind them. Now if it was in front of a middle school, there'd be a market for it.

And still, the main customers of that store are all professionals in their 20-40's such as myself and the store has met it's sales goals every year it's been there.

prplehippo wrote:

Expecting staff to work off the clock without pay is illegal, but as a former 7 year veteran of GW I can say you will be asked to put in more hours with very little notice. Yes you will get paid, but if you "had other plans" like spending time with your family then you'll be labelled unreliable and "not a good fit" with the company.

I just spent 2 years working for Lowes, this was also standard practice here, especially the higher you were. Our regional liked to call you at home and 'suggest' you go to meetings on your days off etc. Retail, in general, is a mire of this sort of thing and GW is no great monster for doing what everyone else does.

 Become Legendary NA wrote:


2) We do not make you buy miniatures, we do not suggest you buy miniatures.

prplehippo wrote:

The company doesn't have that policy, but your manager (and you have one, even the one man stores answer to someone) will "strongly suggest" that you do. If you don't then again you'll be a bad fit and probably replaced.

It is fairly logical to me to own armies and play the games. I don't think people would work for GW at that level without being a hobbyist first, it's the lead in for many. I have worked in offices for many many years and was expected to wear a suit, I was also expected to buy that suit... Never once did I consider that unfair.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

prplehippo wrote:

Expecting staff to work off the clock without pay is illegal, but as a former 7 year veteran of GW I can say you will be asked to put in more hours with very little notice. Yes you will get paid, but if you "had other plans" like spending time with your family then you'll be labelled unreliable and "not a good fit" with the company.

I just spent 2 years working for Lowes, this was also standard practice here, especially the higher you were. Our regional liked to call you at home and 'suggest' you go to meetings on your days off etc. Retail, in general, is a mire of this sort of thing and GW is no great monster for doing what everyone else does.

 Become Legendary NA wrote:


2) We do not make you buy miniatures, we do not suggest you buy miniatures.

prplehippo wrote:

The company doesn't have that policy, but your manager (and you have one, even the one man stores answer to someone) will "strongly suggest" that you do. If you don't then again you'll be a bad fit and probably replaced.

It is fairly logical to me to own armies and play the games. I don't think people would work for GW at that level without being a hobbyist first, it's the lead in for many. I have worked in offices for many many years and was expected to wear a suit, I was also expected to buy that suit... Never once did I consider that unfair.

100% AGREE. Most companies and industries have situations where they expect people to work off the clock and 'getting the job done' is what appeals to management. And lots of industries expect you to spend personal money on resources related to your job. When you become a professional, that expected expense is thousands of dollars a year for many higher level managerial, technical and professional jobs. Don't get me started on the number of people with 4 year college degrees who can't get entry level jobs making 32k a year right now.

I see nothing unfair, oppressive or nefarious about any of the GW job info here... It is pretty standard for entry level management jobs in America IMHO.

I'm glad you posted this again.

I would apply if GW opened a store near me, but I really don't see that happening anytime soon. The manager at the closest GW always seems like he like his job well enough.

I will say that, for all my gripes about GW, Chris Campbell at the Portola Plaza shop is a major redeeming face for the company. He is 100% friendly, never pushy about sales, always helpful.

If only every gaming store had employees like him. He's the only reason I even buy in store instead of online.

Oh dear poor Chris Campbell, fingered on the interwebz for not being a team player!

Aerethan you really should know better than this.

I jest of course (?) but I would go further and say that nearly all the GWs near me (5+?) that I have been to are staffed by nice helpful fellers who granted are looking for a sale but were never pushy.

I've always said that I'd happily flip burgers to pay my way so these positions look pretty good from that point of view and the pay looks allot better than I have been lead to believe before.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

Dakka will be a hostile place for you, but this is partially due to a perceived lack of participation in the community. Besides wishing you luck finding employees, I also hope that with a little perseverance and openness we all will hopefully be able to develop a rewarding, mutually beneficial relationship.

Guys, I know it is cool to pile in, but for all those wanting GW to engage with us more, and to feel listened to, this is a genuine chance to take a step in that direction. Let's show some class here and let this gentleman have an honest chance to speak without automatic attacks.

Personally, I hope eventually he is able to make a case to management that it is far better to befriend the community than ignore it.

There is nothing 'perceived' about it - GW, of all the miniature/game producers out there (perhaps with the exception of Hawk Wargames, which is a relatively tiny concern) has the least interaction with their fans and the gaming community of all.

I really admire the sentiment (and I would love for GW to go beyond the steps of having a FB page, get their own forum going again, even post on this kind of place - because it would at least be some kind of indication that they care even the slightest about what some of their long-term fans think) but the OP has already stated he is an outsourced agency of GW. Not a management level employee of the company itself.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
So you have a very low flat rate starting payment for managers of new stores regardless of what you predict the sales volume to be (which is almost half the wage of "some managers")?

And I assume you only open stores in locations where you feel you will get high sales volumes...

So... you pay them penuts for the first year rather than doing any kind of meaningful payment based on projected sales volumes... classy.

I honestly cannot think of a good reason to pay anyone for 'projected' anything. You base pay on performance. In a sales job you sell, you get the commission/bonus. In other jobs you prove yourself you get a raise. You don't increase starting pay because they MAY do well in the future.

You open a store where your research shows your sales volumes will be high enough to justify the costs of the store. You hire employees to work that store so that the projected sales volume can be realized. If they meet or exceed the projections, you reward them. If they fail, you take other actions (which can range from training, a change in business model, firing an employee and other actions).

CptJake wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
So you have a very low flat rate starting payment for managers of new stores regardless of what you predict the sales volume to be (which is almost half the wage of "some managers")?

And I assume you only open stores in locations where you feel you will get high sales volumes...

So... you pay them penuts for the first year rather than doing any kind of meaningful payment based on projected sales volumes... classy.

I honestly cannot think of a good reason to pay anyone for 'projected' anything. You base pay on performance. In a sales job you sell, you get the commission/bonus. In other jobs you prove yourself you get a raise. You don't increase starting pay because they MAY do well in the future.

You open a store where your research shows your sales volumes will be high enough to justify the costs of the store. You hire employees to work that store so that the projected sales volume can be realized. If they meet or exceed the projections, you reward them. If they fail, you take other actions (which can range from training, a change in business model, firing an employee and other actions).

Yeah, you provide incentives to staff to reach or exceed targets. That way you get a flat rate for all managers and hard work is rewarded. Not sure if GW follow this approach though, could be more stick than carrot but I could be wrong.

CptJake wrote:
[I honestly cannot think of a good reason to pay anyone for 'projected' anything. You base pay on performance. In a sales job you sell, you get the commission/bonus. In other jobs you prove yourself you get a raise. You don't increase starting pay because they MAY do well in the future.

Ok, you hire someone to do x job where you believe that they will make y sales, why would you pay them the base rate for the whole first year if not to be cheap?

It is like paying the manager of a new factory a lower wage because the plant hasn't actually produced anything yet. You know the capacity of the store and have a reasonable set of projections as to the sales you expect, so why not pay based on what you believe the store will turn over? I can understand paying based on a "worst case projection" and then making up the difference based on actual sales (rather than paying based on something wildly optimistic), but paying the absolute minimum for a store you expect to be doing a good turn over?

You open a store where your research shows your sales volumes will be high enough to justify the costs of the store. You hire employees to work that store so that the projected sales volume can be realized. If they meet or exceed the projections, you reward them. If they fail, you take other actions (which can range from training, a change in business model, firing an employee and other actions).

Of course, but why not set starting pay based on those projections rather than a random arbitrary, low sum?

Because base salary is that, the base salary. They are paying for someone to fill the position and meet certain projections. When the goals are met or exceeded, the emplyee is rewarded.

In your factory example, the manager is given a base salary based on his experience, and the level of responsiblity he will have. He gets bonuses based on production (and sometimes) safety goals.

You don't ever set base salary on projections, you set a bonus/commssion plan on projections. It isn't some 'random arbitrary, low sum' it is an amount set to attract a certain level of experience and coupled with the bonus structure designed to attract someone who is willing it accept a lower base pay because of their confidence they will meet sales/production goals. The only 'random arbitrary' part is you calling it that.