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My dad taught us about gun safety, proper handling, and not to use them or even touch them when he's not around.

He also kept them locked up.

Edit: When my grandfather (my mother's father) passed away, my grandmother asked him to take the guns he kept in the closet. My sister and I stayed over there for 2-3 weeks in the summer and nearly every school holiday like spring break and such. There were 3 guns: A rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. All were fully loaded, unlocked, and in a kid's reach. I was only 12 or 13, but I still remember how pissed my father was about that.

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While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.



That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?

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 djones520 wrote:
While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.



That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?


Full size or carry?

SA, DA/SA, or DA only?

Buying American a consideration?

Cost range?

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 djones520 wrote:
While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.



That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?


Can't go wrong with Glock or M&P pistols. If you want the smallest thing that you can still fight with, a G26 is probably your best bet. If you want to go slightly larger, G19 is pretty preferable. I carry the 26 in the summer and the 19 in the winter.

I'd recommend Springfield's XD as well, but their unwillingness to sell parts breaks the deal for me.

Check these guys out for holsters. I went through 10 holsters before I settled on one of these.

http://www.ravenconcealment.com/

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Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.

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 djones520 wrote:
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.



Good luck finding a good quality carry piece in stock at this point. I'm in the market for two new ones, one for me and one for the wife and NO ONE (even internet stores I consider reliable) have them in stock or can predict when they will be.

Your best bet is to go to a range that rents out pistols. Before you go do some research on what you may want to try, then find a range that has those models. Test fire them to see what you are comfortable with. That will probably be an expensive day but compared to paying 500 bucks for the 'wrong' gun it is worth it. A few weekends ago daughter and I spent about $75 testing two handguns (rental fees on the guns, range fee, and you had to use the range ammo).

As for me, well guns are scary. I don't know if I could ever fire one let alone own one. I fired a paintball gun once and almost wet myself I was so scared. I would worry the guns would cause a masacre!!!! (I heard they do that on The News!!!!)

At least that's the story I'll tell the ATF.

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 djones520 wrote:
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.


DA/SA: first trigger pull is long like a revolver, with short follow up pulls. Beretta's, Taurus's, and Sig Sauers.
SA only: Think Colt .45. Short trigger pull.
DA only: (from the factory) all trigger pulls are like a revolver pull.

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DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.

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 AustonT wrote:
Guns scare me. I don't own them and niether should you.


Well there's good reason to be afraid of a tool designed for killing animals and humans.
   
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 Ouze wrote:
 Maelstrom808 wrote:
Luger P08 - Brought back from WWII by my grandfather. Unfortunately he decided that he wanted a shiny luger at some point and took a wire wheel to it to strip the bluing off, destroying most of it's value


Can't you have it re-blued?


I could. The SKS and Model 30 have both been re-blued and all the wood restored and lacquered. The guy that did those was an amazing gunsmith and they turned out absolutely gorgeous, but unfortunately he passed away a couple years ago. I knew him through my dad, and don't really know any others that I would trust with my stuff. I also don't really have the spare cash at the moment. On top of all that, re-blued generally won't bring what original bluing will (it'd still be worth more than it is now though). I'll probably do it at some point, but short of me being homeless, the sentimental value of the guns pretty well means I'm never selling them so I'm in no hurry.

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A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.

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 AustonT wrote:
A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.


Absolutely, but he didn't actually do the greatest job with the wire wheel, so there is plenty of bluing still in corners and crevices. In the long run it's the difference between a gun whose's historical value is destroyed, and a gun whose historical value is destroyed, but actually looks good.

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 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
Guns scare me. I don't own them and niether should you.


Well there's good reason to be afraid of a tool designed for killing animals and humans.


He was being sarcastic.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Cheesecat wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
Guns scare me. I don't own them and niether should you.


Well there's good reason to be afraid of a tool designed for killing animals and humans.


He was being sarcastic.


I know, because he's an ex-soldier but still I can understand why some people find guns frightening.
   
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Well lets try to keep it from going down that tangent.

Have you got any? I'm not 100% on Canada's laws but I know you can have them. My father owns 3 or 4 and he lives in B.C.

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 djones520 wrote:
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.


I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:

http://centerfiresystems.com/rockisland.aspx

I carry full size but I'm sure the "Commander" length (aka compact) model is just as good.

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 djones520 wrote:
Well lets try to keep it from going down that tangent.

Have you got any? I'm not 100% on Canada's laws but I know you can have them. My father owns 3 or 4 and he lives in B.C.


No I don't have any but I've fired a BB gun and .22 rifle before, don't really find it that exciting to be honest looks a lot more fun in the movies than it is in real-life.
   
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 djones520 wrote:
DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.

The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.

I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.

When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.
   
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I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.

Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.


I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:

http://centerfiresystems.com/rockisland.aspx

I carry full size but I'm sure the "Commander" length (aka compact) model is just as good.

Of course, they're all out of stock

Dangit, I've always wanted a 1911.

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.


I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:

http://centerfiresystems.com/rockisland.aspx

I carry full size but I'm sure the "Commander" length (aka compact) model is just as good.

Of course, they're all out of stock

Dangit, I've always wanted a 1911.


Damn! They were in stock literally this morning... Well watch that link!

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 djones520 wrote:
I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.

Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.


Cross the bridge...hell of a lot safer.

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 djones520 wrote:
I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.

Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.

Just don't go THERE.

If I have to go thru Illinois, I'd head up to Alton, THEN head over to where I need to go...

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I've never actually been into E. St. Louis, but a lot of that crap has been spilling into Belleville over the last couple of years. Thankfully I never have to go west of downtown Belleville. The eastern side is still pretty safe.

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 djones520 wrote:
I've never actually been into E. St. Louis, but a lot of that crap has been spilling into Belleville over the last couple of years. Thankfully I never have to go west of downtown Belleville. The eastern side is still pretty safe.

I know what you mean... I've got family in Belleville... avoidance is usually the best policy. *shrugs*

For those who don't know... this isn't a bad representation.


And then... they lose their tires as their wagon is on cinder blocks.

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 Seaward wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.

The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.

I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.

When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.


Agreed. Now some are better than others. The Wife's Beretta Storm - aka Big Baby - has a very nice DA pull and the transition to SA is excellent. However, our FS-92's DA is horrible.
My M&Pc has a stiff pull at 6.5lb, but its smooth now. In contrast the full size M&P has a tweaked 3.5lb pull which is akin to an SA pull.

Its best to try them out. I'd wait about six months or so before contemplating a purchase. This gives you time to rent a few and try them out.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Seaward wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.

The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.

I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.

When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.

, our FS-92's DA is horrible.


The problem with your FS-92 is that it's a Beretta. I have no idea about the storm or any newer models, but every M-9 or 92 series pistol I've handled is uniformly ass.

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