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It´s a little bit disheartening to see your 250 pounds in FoW, Dystopian Wars and then DZC. The first gets me a food court tablet full of minis and the second one is nearly the same, with DZC the minis not even fill a quarter of the tablet.

André Winter
L'Art Noir - Game Design and Translation Studio 
   
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On moon miranda.

DZC is on the expensive side for sure, but it's also a small startup manufacturing in the UK, so I imagine the costs, especially with a small scale of production, are also quite high.

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And what is Spartan then?

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Shadeglass Maze

I'll agree it's expensive, but quality over quantity and all that...

Any more thoughts on the new unit releases (see below)?

 RiTides wrote:
The new units are released (I already got my Dreamsnares and Firedrake from the Warstore ) and the rules were put up today!

Unit rules:
http://www.hawkwargames.com/blogs/experimental-rules

A few new general rules:
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0159/4298/files/Experimental_Rules_New_Mechanics_1.0.pdf?1273


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The UCM land carrier thing looks interesting, but it feels to me like a "I have everything else already, let me go ahead and get that" item rather than a must have.
   
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Shadeglass Maze

I agree (about the model in particular) but the rules for it look amazing which always warms me up to models

Very stoked about the Dreamsnare, already worked it into my list!

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    Made in ca
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    Calgary, Alberta, Canada

    Didn't want to take Paulson Games thread further off track.
    Do we have a release date on the terrain pack yet? I've toying with getting in to Heavy Gear Blitz, and this looks like an incredible deal for that game as well!

     Mad4Minis wrote:
    Eilif wrote:


    A nice product to be sure, but the reviewer calls it 15mm when in fact it's actually 10mm in scale. It could probably still be used, but doorways are going to look a bit small.

    Still, it's a great deal!


    I love it, and I will be getting one for sure. The slight difference in size is fine for me, as I never use infantry in my mecha/armor games. Its all about the vehicles baby.



    Also of note...The warstore has this listed in the preorder section, $35.99
       
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    I believe it's a preorder on the 5th of April, release on the 20th (will double check later). I can't wait! Getting 2 packs if usable for mecha front, they're twice as good
       
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    Shadeglass Maze

    I just preordered 2 of the Cityscape card terrain sets from the Warstore. Here's a fantastic link showing what's included:

    http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0159/4298/files/HWG_Newsletter_number_16.pdf?1272

    It should ship in April 19th with 20 buildings and 24 1footx1foot tiles for only $35.99 at the Warstore!

    Also, my friend noticed that many items at the Warstore are now discounted 20% off instead of 10% off for those who have commented on the prices being high. I'm not sure if this is permanent or what, but it's great! It doesn't seem to be universal on every item, but the starter sets for example are 20% off, as are others I looked at.
       
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    Ottawa Ontario Canada

    I can't state how much I love the look of the paper terrain set. The price is fantastic and it looks fairly easy to mount on tile. The best thing about dropzone commander for me is how they've managed to standardize terrain setup, I've seen tournaments pix and the tables all look very fair. That's always been a huge pet peeve with 40k, terrain is often treated like an afterthought and there's no real standard from tournament to tournament.

    Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.  
       
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    Yeah I agree... will take a bunch of pics when I get mine in 2 weeks or so
       
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    Pic of the Monorail shown at Salute:

    Edit: Whoops, taken from this site of Salute pics, which mentions the Dropzone Commander monorail but also has a picture of a non-DzC one.

    That's not my picture, but the next two are . A 3-way match that friends and I played last night:



    And my friend's Scourge, which he had commission-painted with a similar airbrush camo scheme as those in the rulebook, just with different colors:



    The card citypack has made a world of difference in our gaming! It's so easy to set up a table now so we are loving it!

    We're playing an 8-person tourney with another store that has 4 players next Saturday (May 11th). I'll take more pics there

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    Charleston, SC

    I love me some Dropzone Commander. I am really excited to get my hands on the monorail.

     
       
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    On moon miranda.

    I just picked up my Citypack and finished assembling it, for $45, it's a great buy, and a good deal cheaper than the ~$1500 for the same amount of terrain in DzC's actual resin buildings


    Also, as a bit of a news item, for the Hawk Wargames forum

    Hawk Simon wrote:Hi, we are atttending Gen Con 2013 and have a big release plannned for it, I cant say any more at the moment though! Game wise we are going to be running demos on the stand and are looking at the possibility of games in the other halls.


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    New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
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    Awesome! I will actually be stopping by GenCon this year so will get to see what the fuss is about!
       
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    This game looks sooo tempting. Love that drone carrier and the Command & Conquer feel to the minis - need to get my Epic fix in other ways.

    Anyone care to share how it plays?
       
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    RiTides,

    The monorail in that one pic you posted from Salute...that's not the Hawk one, is it? Cause it dosn't appear to be DZC figs on the board?
       
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    Whoops, you are right! I got it from this site of Salute pics, which also has the following text:

    I was really glad to see Dropzone back for a 2nd year. Last year, they were there but hadn't released their figures but had all of their models for show. This year, they had their full range, including buildings and a monorail that I really wanted to buy. 10mm isn't my thing, but they are making it hard. I'd love to pick up some of their walkers and drop ships for Future War Commander.


    But I apparently there was also ANOTHER monorail there for a different game. Anyone see a pic of the DzC monorail on there, or on another site, as according to the text above it was present at Salute...?

    http://the-urban-bunny.blogspot.com/

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     RiTides wrote:
    I believe it's a preorder on the 5th of April, release on the 20th (will double check later). I can't wait! Getting 2 packs if usable for mecha front, they're twice as good


    Should be. Even though Mecha Front is 15mm technically...the overall design of the mechs doesnt give it away, so they should blend with 10mm scenery just fine.

    Whats my game?
    Warmachine (Cygnar)
    10/15mm mecha
    Song of Blades & Heroes
    Blackwater Gulch
    X wing
    Open to other games too






     
       
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     zedmeister wrote:
    This game looks sooo tempting. Love that drone carrier and the Command & Conquer feel to the minis - need to get my Epic fix in other ways.

    Anyone care to share how it plays?
    It's relatively simple in terms of mechanics, alternating activation for units (so you move/shoot with one battlegroup, I move/shoot one of mine/ repeat until all units have gone). very focused on local board control, ranges are very limited (explained in universe as active countermeasures/interception systems able to block/shoot down projectiles unless fired close) as is movement (the Scourge are fast with 6" and 9" movement, while PHR walkers only move 3" and the heavy walkers 2" each turn) which necessitates the use of Dropships to really move around the board. Infantry are rather weeny when paired against vehicles, but are required for nabbing objectives in buildings and can be dangerous in built up terrain. Terrain is also a huge deal, ideally played with lots of dense and tall terrain like built up urban zones. Stuff tends to die fairly quickly in general when within weapons ranges, a relatively lethal game compared with most 40k armies.

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    New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
    The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts.  
       
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     Vaktathi wrote:

    It's relatively simple in terms of mechanics, alternating activation for units (so you move/shoot with one battlegroup, I move/shoot one of mine/ repeat until all units have gone). very focused on local board control, ranges are very limited (explained in universe as active countermeasures/interception systems able to block/shoot down projectiles unless fired close) as is movement (the Scourge are fast with 6" and 9" movement, while PHR walkers only move 3" and the heavy walkers 2" each turn) which necessitates the use of Dropships to really move around the board. Infantry are rather weeny when paired against vehicles, but are required for nabbing objectives in buildings and can be dangerous in built up terrain. Terrain is also a huge deal, ideally played with lots of dense and tall terrain like built up urban zones. Stuff tends to die fairly quickly in general when within weapons ranges, a relatively lethal game compared with most 40k armies.


    Thanks man, might have to give this game a peruse
       
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    We have been playing a lot of DZC on our lunch breaks and evenings. Strong crowd in London also picking it up via clubs.

    Detail is amazing and a solid tight rule set!


       
    Made in ca
    Fixture of Dakka





    Ottawa Ontario Canada

    I just finnished assembling my PHR army, I'm very stoked. I started putting the buildings together from the cityscape, amazed at how quickly they go together. Can't say enough about the detail on the models, mad respect for hawk wargames.



    Also, I think the mini's in the monorail pic are by old crow.

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    Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.  
       
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    zedmeister wrote:
     Vaktathi wrote:

    It's relatively simple in terms of mechanics, alternating activation for units (so you move/shoot with one battlegroup, I move/shoot one of mine/ repeat until all units have gone). very focused on local board control, ranges are very limited (explained in universe as active countermeasures/interception systems able to block/shoot down projectiles unless fired close) as is movement (the Scourge are fast with 6" and 9" movement, while PHR walkers only move 3" and the heavy walkers 2" each turn) which necessitates the use of Dropships to really move around the board. Infantry are rather weeny when paired against vehicles, but are required for nabbing objectives in buildings and can be dangerous in built up terrain. Terrain is also a huge deal, ideally played with lots of dense and tall terrain like built up urban zones. Stuff tends to die fairly quickly in general when within weapons ranges, a relatively lethal game compared with most 40k armies.


    Thanks man, might have to give this game a peruse
    No problem, definitely give it a look

    Crablezworth wrote:I just finnished assembling my PHR army, I'm very stoked. I started putting the buildings together from the cityscape, amazed at how quickly they go together. Can't say enough about the detail on the models, mad respect for hawk wargames.

    yeah, I picked up my cityscape Monday, got all 20 buildings shaped up in a couple of hours, $45 to build a nice looking (if admittedly resembling a mid 90's video game city of flat land and straight edge buildings ) and complete gaming table is sweet.

    My only gripe is that they somehow decided putting mould gates on the curved noses of the PHR walkers was a good idea for some reason

    That and my tables will never look as awesome as those pictured in the rulebook with the full Resin terrain buildings

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    Ottawa Ontario Canada

    I think the upside is unlike 40k where terrain is a huge variable that often gets looked over or ignored, dropzone has managed to sorta standardize the terrain its intended to be played on and I think that's the biggest thing to like about it. I like that all the pics I've seen of dropzone tournaments, the tables are all speakin the same language and you get the feel that you could play anyone anywhere and have the same consistent gaming exprience.

    Do you play 30k? It'd be a lot cooler if you did.  
       
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    Here is a few DZC pics . thought we should share too!



    We are building up our 1500pts forces. So many great game to play. This is one of them


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    Really nice table set-up, looks really good. The miniatures aren't half bad either!

     Duncan_Idaho wrote:
    It´s a little bit disheartening to see your 250 pounds in FoW, Dystopian Wars and then DZC. The first gets me a food court tablet full of minis and the second one is nearly the same, with DZC the minis not even fill a quarter of the tablet.


    It is.. but, the miniatures are just so nice (was going to use the word 'cute' but don't want to scare anyone off! ).. I think anyone who can appreciate smaller scale miniatures, even 'N' gauge model railways, sometimes there can be really fine things to be found in small miniatures beyond their physical size.

    Epic 30K&40K! A new players guide, contributors welcome https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/751316.page
     
       
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    If you want to see a video on the monorail, check out The Beasts of War Youtube video: The Ultimate Guide to Salute 2013 - Part 1.

    There's an interview with Dave Lewis (founder of Hawk Wargames) regarding the new monorail scenario for DzC starting at about 41:15. The first monorail pics start at about 42:10.



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     Nodri wrote:
    If you want to see a video on the monorail, check out The Beasts of War Youtube video: The Ultimate Guide to Salute 2013 - Part 1.

    There's an interview with Dave Lewis (founder of Hawk Wargames) regarding the new monorail scenario for DzC starting at about 41:15. The first monorail pics start at about 42:10.

    That is fantastic, thank you!
       
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    We saw it in Salute and cannot wait to get our hands on one!

       
     
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