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Vendettas and Helldrakes are big in my meta, specially when damn near everyone can Allie with IG and two Squadroned Vendettas in that single Fast slot is brutal.

The most common flyer you will see is AV 12, your a fool if you make a list with Havoks and Flak MLs expecting to see AV 10 every battle. If you see AV 10, it is frosting on the cake.

AV 14; Stormravens and Monoliths. Are they true flyers or skimmers? I do not own either Codex.

Stormravens are AV 12, not 14. They just have it on all sides like a LR.

Ok, thanks... so no AV 14 flyers... yet?

I swear I fought against a BA AV 14 skimmer/flyer... he even called it a flying Land Raider. I must be mistaken.

Not to my knowledge. If we had them, I'm sure I'd have seen one by now.

 Griddlelol wrote:
210 is too much. If it happens, well then I'll have to grab some sabre defence platforms, since my AA will be completely gone.

If its too much, its only bit a bit.

Vendettas provide excellent long range shooting with three TL LCs and two HB sponsons.
They allow you to transport models and deep strike them with grav shoot insertion. This gives you a huge zone of control/contesting on objective missions.
They are heavily armored and are hard to shoot down.

The biggest failing of a vendetta is their 'lack' of anti-infantry fire with only two heavy bolters and 3 LCs available to them. This means vs ork hoard armies they can't do much, but the number of games where they are extremely effective is much greater than the number of games where they are useless.

Even at 200 points a pop. throwing down 600 points for 3 of them would be very strong. At 130 points they are ridiculously undercosted. They were priced as AV 12 skimmers, not as flyers.

You know something is horribly wrong with a unit when *every* flier thread, flakk missile thread, IG thread, tactics vs IG thread, hellturkey thread, and others I can't think of all come back to the Vendetta. We literally can not escape the shadow this thing casts over the whole game right now.

 labmouse42 wrote:
At 130 points they are ridiculously undercosted .

I agree with you, except for the 210pt price tag. My main issue, is that if I lose my Vendettas, I lose something that only they provide. Anti-aircraft is heavily lacking in most codices, and Hydras are just not an option. They're incredibly specific.

I'm comfortable with not using Vendettas, but I have to fill their void, and without going to forge world, there aren't any options for AA. 210pts means I can't use them in smaller games. Just like the Storm Raven suffers from now, if I take more than one, I'm relying on >600pts that don't contribute until turn 2, and probably won't be on the table for more than 3-4 turns. In a 1500pt game, that's not viable, so I'm left with Forge World to fill the gap.

 minigun762 wrote:
For the Vendetta, a bare minimum would be 140 to put it on par with the new las Predators.

Vendettas as listed should be 170.

I think 145-150 and going down to AV11 on front and sides would also be an options.

 Exergy wrote:

 minigun762 wrote:
For the Vendetta, a bare minimum would be 140 to put it on par with the new las Predators.

Vendettas as listed should be 170.

I think 145-150 and going down to AV11 on front and sides would also be an options.

I'd agree with that. Puts it at the same level as the drake if it keeps AV12.

It really doesn't matter what thier cost is because they are selling them at $66+ US and are making a /ton/ of quid. If they bump up the game cost where it makes it not an option, they lose money as people stop buying the damn things and start buying the next best (cheaper) thing. The Dakka Jet is expensive enough that I am tempted to buy 1/35th scale MiG-15s and F-86s.