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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:30:35
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Ronin_eX wrote:Definitely a dick move on GW's part... but I can't say that I think the store response and method of protest is a good one. What they are doing simply screws over customers, not GW. I can't see this ending well for them. GW were dicks to them, but being dicks to customers is only going to drive people away instead of rallying them against GW's draconian treatment of independent retailers.
If they really wanted to stick it to GW then they would drop their products (and doing so on a massive scale would hurt GW in areas like North America, where the low density of GW stores couldn't possibly pick up the slack). Telling customers they can't use their new book and that it is contraband while still carrying everything else GW sells just seems cowardly as a protest.
I can't see what they are hoping to accomplish.
I think people seeing this as a dick move to customers (I'm not picking on you, yours is just the latest post in the matter) are missing what stores are doing to/for their customers: they are telling customers that they don't have to buy this supplement and customers can comfortably play with what they already have, without fear of being at a disadvantage to players who actually break down and buy the new rules from GW. Now, I'd love to see Stormravens added to BT-I think it's very necessary. But this store (and the other ones cropping up) are trying to help their customers. They are also encouraging new games. Stores are there to generate money anyway- GW is trying to take that option away. So the stores are not supporting GW anymore. They are still helping their customers, and are, in fact, bringing them into new games to keep them gaming and keeping them happy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:33:19
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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timetowaste85 wrote: Ronin_eX wrote:Definitely a dick move on GW's part... but I can't say that I think the store response and method of protest is a good one. What they are doing simply screws over customers, not GW. I can't see this ending well for them. GW were dicks to them, but being dicks to customers is only going to drive people away instead of rallying them against GW's draconian treatment of independent retailers.
If they really wanted to stick it to GW then they would drop their products (and doing so on a massive scale would hurt GW in areas like North America, where the low density of GW stores couldn't possibly pick up the slack). Telling customers they can't use their new book and that it is contraband while still carrying everything else GW sells just seems cowardly as a protest.
I can't see what they are hoping to accomplish.
I think people seeing this as a dick move to customers (I'm not picking on you, yours is just the latest post in the matter) are missing what stores are doing to/for their customers: they are telling customers that they don't have to buy this supplement and customers can comfortably play with what they already have, without fear of being at a disadvantage to players who actually break down and buy the new rules from GW. Now, I'd love to see Stormravens added to BT-I think it's very necessary. But this store (and the other ones cropping up) are trying to help their customers. They are also encouraging new games. Stores are there to generate money anyway- GW is trying to take that option away. So the stores are not supporting GW anymore. They are still helping their customers, and are, in fact, bringing them into new games to keep them gaming and keeping them happy.
If they're trying to help me, they're failing. They're trying to convince me to play a different system, which is not the role of a store. Unfortunately, I have no faith in a store that would sell out a system once. Who is to say they won't end up pulling the same trick against Warmahordes when they next put out a release that the community doesn't like? Fundamentally a store that is willing to sell out a system and stop supporting its customers once has lost its trust with me, and given the easy and appealing "20-30% discounted online store" option such stores will never have my business.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:33:29
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Ouch!
Anyone know a good remedy for this wicked eye-rolling injury this thread just gave me?
Anybody else have an issue with their store "banning" Cities of Death or Planetstrike? Death from the Skies will come and go within a few weeks as well.
Useless drama is useless.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:34:49
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Kingsley wrote:
Try again. If I play Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Eldar, Tau, Tyranids, or Sisters of Battle, I don't think I need to buy a new book in order to get access to rules updates that I don't have.
No YOU try again...
Most tournaments will say you need the 40k rulebook and all the relevant core rules updates (i.e. this book) regardless of what army you play. If you're not using any fortifications or allies do you not need to the rulebook too hmm? Just because you do not play the army in question (and regardless, you can make use of the things in the book via allies) does not mean this is not going to be a compulsory buy for many a tournament goer.
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By contrast, many (most?) tournaments mandated the Trial Assault Rules and Trial Vehicle Rules once those came out-- this is what's referred to as "3.5e".
A lot of tournaments also banned armies painted red. Just like the colour of a certain fish that that point is...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:36:30
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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It is a slap to the face of the independent stores. You can sell the Stormtalon in your store, but you can't sell the rulebook that includes the Stormtalon's rules. How do you explain that to a customer?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:39:36
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Fixture of Dakka
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I think this will only work if there is a concerted, consciously or not, effort by many retailers not to carry GW products anymore. Otherwise it's just like fuel. Sure you don't buy from that place anymore, but you still buy down the road.
Did I just compare GW addiction to fuel dependency?
I still don't think this is part of the watershed people think will happen soon, regarding a backlash towards GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:40:18
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Not so subtle are we now
Tis true about the strained relationship between non GW stores and GW
But I must say this does suck a bit though if you indeed still like to play warhammer. Soon you know it, playing warhammer will be looked as much down upon as smoking in public or liking Justin Bieber
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:40:56
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote:
Try again. If I play Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Eldar, Tau, Tyranids, or Sisters of Battle, I don't think I need to buy a new book in order to get access to rules updates that I don't have.
No YOU try again...
Most tournaments will say you need the 40k rulebook and all the relevant core rules updates (i.e. this book) regardless of what army you play. If you're not using any fortifications or allies do you not need to the rulebook too hmm? Just because you do not play the army in question (and regardless, you can make use of the things in the book via allies) does not mean this is not going to be a compulsory buy for many a tournament goer.
This isn't a "relevant core rules update" if none of the rules in it apply to you, is it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:43:11
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Ouch!
Anyone know a good remedy for this wicked eye-rolling injury this thread just gave me?
Anybody else have an issue with their store "banning" Cities of Death or Planetstrike? Death from the Skies will come and go within a few weeks as well.
Useless drama is useless.
Releases come and go, but the goodwill of the retailers that are needed to push the product into the hands of people is a resource slow to grow and fast to burn.
As Mikhaila's post illustrates, the relationship between GW and the independents is (at least in some cases) turning adversarial rather then co-operative. The long term results of this change in attitude will not just be a few books missed out on, but a sustained realization that GW is not their supplier, but their competitor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:43:44
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Kingsley wrote: Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote:
Try again. If I play Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Eldar, Tau, Tyranids, or Sisters of Battle, I don't think I need to buy a new book in order to get access to rules updates that I don't have.
No YOU try again...
Most tournaments will say you need the 40k rulebook and all the relevant core rules updates (i.e. this book) regardless of what army you play. If you're not using any fortifications or allies do you not need to the rulebook too hmm? Just because you do not play the army in question (and regardless, you can make use of the things in the book via allies) does not mean this is not going to be a compulsory buy for many a tournament goer.
This isn't a "relevant core rules update" if none of the rules in it apply to you, is it?
If it's not a core rules update then what is it then cleverclogs?
Go on, I'll wait.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:44:50
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Ouch!
Anyone know a good remedy for this wicked eye-rolling injury this thread just gave me?
Anybody else have an issue with their store "banning" Cities of Death or Planetstrike? Death from the Skies will come and go within a few weeks as well.
Useless drama is useless.
Probably "don't read forums." The number of molehills being turned into mountains on here is just crazy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:46:23
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote:To be honest, if any store owner tells me not to play with official Games Workshop products at that store, I'm going to stop playing (and buying) at that store at all. This strategy might work in places where the store is "the only game in town," but I have many choices for stores to attend and if some of them decide not to support the game system I play, I'm out.
Um, no.
Say said store wishes to run a tournament with the latest 40k rules. All the rules are a requirements for every player. Lets say we have 32 players. This store, no matter what has lost £640 as GW has decided to stick 2 fingers up at them and say they cannot purchase this to sell in their stores.
It's not a fringe item like Forgeworld (another item which independents cannot purchase wholesale IIRC). This is an essential update for the core game and if the customers wish to support their FLGS, GW is saying a big, fat NO!
I thought Death from the Skies was a compendium, which means they aren't all new rules? I find this a bit silly if that is true, i can see why they would be annoyed with it being direct only, but they didn't ban the units that are in the book before this even though they weren't available to everyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:48:19
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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timetowaste85 wrote:
I think people seeing this as a dick move to customers (I'm not picking on you, yours is just the latest post in the matter) are missing what stores are doing to/for their customers: they are telling customers that they don't have to buy this supplement and customers can comfortably play with what they already have, without fear of being at a disadvantage to players who actually break down and buy the new rules from GW. Now, I'd love to see Stormravens added to BT-I think it's very necessary. But this store (and the other ones cropping up) are trying to help their customers. They are also encouraging new games. Stores are there to generate money anyway- GW is trying to take that option away. So the stores are not supporting GW anymore. They are still helping their customers, and are, in fact, bringing them into new games to keep them gaming and keeping them happy.
The point is, Aslong as i have it, and it is relevant to the game, it shouldnt matter, I dont expect my opponent to have a copy of mt SM codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:48:25
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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One man run stores....
Reduce the need to shelf product in LGS's, and then you can see how this is going to end up.
One of two ways- GW starts cutting them out altogether, or opening up more one man shops in and around established gaming areas.
Either way "Grand Strategy" it is a zero sum gain.
A store being this draconian is the thing, though. You haven't really ever seen anything like this before. It's not like these stores are rolling in money to begin with. THEN you get to looking at how they are treated by the distribution hubs, then on top of that the gakky economy....
All in all, as was said in other threads, the economy is going to dictate your shrinking "Excess spending" as the inflation/ prices on everything else continue to increase as well.
For everyone all around, this is a bad deal. First it will be the flyers, then next it will be tournaments, then it comes to "Special stuff," such as that Direct sales stuff in the white generic boxes. Between that and the gakity gak of the pricing, your going to see a breaking point sooner then later.
You, the guy/ gal who is going to play in the store, are the one who is going to end up taking it in the hindquarters.
I find the Warmahordes thing a bit much though. THAT is not going to do anything but encourage more gak.
For example-
I just ended up dropping a hundred or so on two boxes of ten guys each. Irregardless, that is going to be my last "Purchase" of Warmahordes from a store for awhile.
One box of Iron Fangs, and One box of Stormguard. Picked them up from FRG in the sales bin. The price was $106.43.
PP is user friendly, but only just.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:52:24
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Grimtuff wrote:If it's not a core rules update then what is it then cleverclogs?
Go on, I'll wait.
It's a compendium containing a battle report, fluff, a gallery of painted models, a few scenarios, the optional dogfighting and Ace rules from Crusade of Fire, and updated rules for a few units that had previously limited or unavailable rules. If you don't have those units, you don't need the book. Everything else in the compendium is nonmandatory. A tournament could of course choose to play with the dogfighting/Ace rules if they were so inclined, but even so armies that didn't field flyers wouldn't need the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:53:45
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Noone's said you can't play GW games in their shops. Just that the new 'integral' updating rules won't be added to the games in those stores due to GW giving the middle finger to those self same stores. I can't blame them, all the indy stores in America are getting treated fairly repulsively. Of course they will be interested in selling something to you that will be better supported. PP needs to shift it up a gear and keep on providing and stepping in to provide a delicious alternative every time GW lands a steaming turd on everyone's cornflakes.
Good Lord, when Mikhaila from Showcase is telling you how crappy it's become, it means ITS. BECOME. CRAPPY. That guy, two years back, sat across a table from me and managed to convince me GW was a great company, working logically and helping out FLGSs and providing excellent support... Now the guy has entirely lost faith in the company, they should bring him to Nottingham and unleash him at the board of directors, to lambast them on what they're doing so bloody wrong, instead they'll close ranks further and cocoon themselves even deeper in a layer of nodding dog upper management and the steady strangulation of the customer base for share value.
Now, with this and all the rest of the shenanigans we're seeing with what they will and won't sell to Indy stores, I'd love a fething answer from them about how this marries with the horse gak they were peddling a while back about taking on the online stores to enable and protect the FLGSs...
What a shower of greedy, morally devoid liars those top brass are. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kingsley wrote: Grimtuff wrote:If it's not a core rules update then what is it then cleverclogs?
Go on, I'll wait.
It's a compendium containing a battle report, fluff, a gallery of painted models, a few scenarios, the optional dogfighting and Ace rules from Crusade of Fire, and updated rules for a few units that had previously limited or unavailable rules. If you don't have those units, you don't need the book. Everything else in the compendium is nonmandatory. A tournament could of course choose to play with the dogfighting/Ace rules if they were so inclined, but even so armies that didn't field flyers wouldn't need the book.
It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:57:44
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Fixture of Dakka
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It would make some sense if the retailers do decide not to order any more storm talons or Dakkajets then.
As for just 'dropping the product' - that really would not surprise me if Death from the Skies hasn't caused the independent stores to make that a long term plan now.
I really do think the whole reason for this and the increase in other 'direct only' items is entirely to siphon FLGS' customers away.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 18:57:51
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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All this will serve is to kill the game in local area, to deprive people of a place to play, my store is considering dropping GW all together. It is just stupid. All this is is a money grab from GW to sell more models, By god, it only has on rule change, and that is SM and BT get access to a flyer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:11:49
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:15:36
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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hotsauceman1 wrote:All this is is a money grab from GW to sell more models, By god, it only has on rule change, and that is SM and BT get access to a flyer.
All this is is a money grab
All this is is a price increase
All this is is money driven rules changes
All this is is predatory store placement
All this is is finecast
All this is is lack of tournament support
All this is is lack of communication
All this is is armies going years between updates
All this is is taking away playing space in a game store
All this is is cost cutting to them with no break to the consumer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:17:09
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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This is a good first step, but if Gnome Games really wanted to make a difference they would stop carrying GW for a period of time, and convince other retailers to do the same as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:22:22
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It's funny that people say it doesn't affect my codex so it doesn't affect the core so it sucks to be you. Last time I checked we actually played games within a community against living opponents. Screwing a portion of that community is bad for the whole community as if even one person chooses to leave then the community is diminished as a whole. Some people just can't put aside there white armour and selfishness for five seconds to think of the community as a whole.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:22:58
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Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:25:03
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Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Of course it's a core rules update for any player who owns these models, sold to them as part of the core 40k game.
I own ork flyers, they are models for the game 40k, not any expansion or supplement, I cannot now field them without obtaining what's in that book. Just because the other guy is unaffected, a core rule for units in my army now only exists in a new book I have to buy direct from GW.
If they suddenly announce that Land Raiders rules are updated and now the new 'book of land raiders' contains the rules for them, but you have to buy it, then a core element of your basic rules army is now only playable with obtaining that book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:26:51
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Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot?
Ork FAQ wrote:White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitzabommer can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium
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GW Rules Interpretation Syndrom. GWRIS. Causes people to second guess a rule in a book because that's what they would have had to do in a GW system.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:30:22
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Mattman154 wrote: Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot?
Ork FAQ wrote:White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitzabommer can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium
No, you've got the right spot. See, now you have to buy the super-special FAQ that costs £20 to get the rules for said Flyer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:33:04
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Grimtuff wrote:Mattman154 wrote: Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot?
Ork FAQ wrote:White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitzabommer can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium
No, you've got the right spot. See, now you have to buy the super-special FAQ that costs £20 to get the rules for said Flyer.
And who says GW doesn't advertise
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GW Rules Interpretation Syndrom. GWRIS. Causes people to second guess a rule in a book because that's what they would have had to do in a GW system.
SilverMK2 wrote:"Well, I have epilepsy and was holding a knife when I had a seizure... I couldn't help it! I was just trying to chop the vegetables for dinner!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:39:16
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Grimtuff wrote: Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
Every pre-6e (aka, not updated) flyer has, sure. But the Heldrake hasn't. The Dark Talon hasn't. The Nephilim Jetfighter hasn't. The Harpy hasn't. The Winged Hive Tyrant hasn't. The Winged Dæmon Prince and Greater Dæmons haven't.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: Kingsley wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:It contains rules for models included in the army lists. It is an integral ruleset for armies containing those models.
I have an ork flyer, I am now required to obtain this extra set of rules to field it. It is not an optional ruleset or apocalypse styled expansion, flyers are core parts of the 6th edition rules, I need the rules in that book to use mine.
That's quite different from a "core rules update." The core game rules are not affected. Codexes with updated flyers are not affected. Codexes without flyers are not affected. Digital Codexes have (purportedly) been updated already. If you have old print rules, then yeah, this updates them. But that is far from affecting every player in the game.
Of course it's a core rules update for any player who owns these models, sold to them as part of the core 40k game.
I own ork flyers, they are models for the game 40k, not any expansion or supplement, I cannot now field them without obtaining what's in that book. Just because the other guy is unaffected, a core rule for units in my army now only exists in a new book I have to buy direct from GW.
If they suddenly announce that Land Raiders rules are updated and now the new 'book of land raiders' contains the rules for them, but you have to buy it, then a core element of your basic rules army is now only playable with obtaining that book.
Do you really think the Ork flyers are models for the 40k core game and not an expansion or supplement? Last time I checked, you still need a Codex to use them, and Codexes are supplements. Core rules updates affect the rulebook and are necessary for everyone-- in general, GW doesn't do these aside from the big edition switches, because they really do require every player to buy new rules. These only affect players using certain units and therefore aren't core game changes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:42:20
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kingsley wrote:
Do you really think the Ork flyers are models for the 40k core game and not an expansion or supplement? Last time I checked, you still need a Codex to use them, and Codexes are supplements. Core rules updates affect the rulebook and are necessary for everyone-- in general, GW doesn't do these aside from the big edition switches, because they really do require every player to buy new rules. These only affect players using certain units and therefore aren't core game changes.
Have you ever played the game? You require a codex to play the game, it isn't a supplement.
Are you a GW employee perhaps? Or Tom Kirby's mum?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 19:42:24
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Mattman154 wrote:
Might want to take a gander at the latest round of 40k FAQs. EVERY flier has been updated.
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong spot?
Basically - units that were previously introduced in WD - in other words, Ork flyers and Stormtalon - are now "DftS units", and the same is true of the SR as far as BT and C: SM are concerned, at least until they get their next codices.
But flyers that already existed in their respective codex books got the relevant changes in the FAQ, like Vendetta and Valkyrie losing Deep Strike and Scout, and so forth. As such armies that already had rules for their flyers in their codices don't need this book to keep using them.
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