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 stubacca wrote:
are you sure these are 'no longer available', on the UK site they're still for sale, that's as of May 4th, 12.43pm

You know you have the ability to check the US site right?

All of them show as "No longer available".

These were a splash release like a year ago, not surprised that they were a limited-time thing now either.

Took no risk and ordered my lifetime supply of them
Ordering like there is no tomorrow for GW seems the motto of this month.

Issues like this are why I am glad I am 100% Vallejo paints. The only thing I can say good about GW paints vs Vallejo was that I did like GW metallics better. That said, I can list several good reasons for switching away from GW paints.

Price
Lack of longevity of the product (meaning Vallejo lasts longer)
Larger selection with Vallejo
More realistic colors with Vallejo
Droppers bottles for the win!!!

Disregard all of these things and I would still probably go back to using craft paints before GW paints. I feel less hated as a customer then. (And, yes, I am a GW hater. You wait half a lifetime for a functional army, then enjoy playing it for 5 minutes before they release 6th Ed. and screw you back to the dark ages again, and see if you don't hate them as well. Plus, I don't have a 100K job so I can't afford them anymore anyway. So...hate.)

I'm glad I didn't buy any edge paints.

The reasons I buy paints instead of mixing my own is...

1. Save time/hassle mixing my own

2. Colour consistency from one model to the next.

Limited edition paints are useless to me as they don't fill criteria #2, I might as well just mix my own paints if it's not possible for me to buy new paints that match my old ones.

I'm also glad I didn't order. If I had come to depend on them for my army color scheme, I'd be boned. As it is, I'm still likely to be boned if my Devlin Mud runs out before I'm able to fully coat my Skaven with it. :(

These are both good reasons as well. With Vallejo, I know that I won't be getting a total paint revision while I am in the middle of painting an army. I also know that when I run out of khaki in a year, it will still be the same khaki.

So I shall happily continue with my cheaper, better Vallejo and happily hate on GW since they seem to hate customers.

 stubacca wrote:
are you sure these are 'no longer available', on the UK site they're still for sale, that's as of May 4th, 12.43pm

Once they sell out that's it, no longer available.

My local GW store staff called GW Corporate yesterday for clarification on this and they confirmed that GW is not doing the Edge Paints any longer. I wish this had been another silly false alarm, I like that product.

There seems to be a pattern goin gon over the last few days/weeks, GW seem to be dropping a lot of things completely.

Slightly concerning. Oh well I'm glad I stuck to Vallejo, though Devlin mud wash is almost out :O

 BrassScorpion wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
are you sure these are 'no longer available', on the UK site they're still for sale, that's as of May 4th, 12.43pm

Once they sell out that's it, no longer available.

My local GW store staff called GW Corporate yesterday for clarification on this and they confirmed that GW is not doing the Edge Paints any longer. I wish this had been another silly false alarm, I like that product.

I wanted to try some but £2.55 a pot I couldn't really justify paying. It's a shame because I wanted to try some out!

Seems like every GW range except a few 40k and Fantasy plastic kits is collapsing within a few weeks. GW can hardly produce new stuff. Sounds like a pattern. If an organism behaves like that, it is close to dying.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Seems like every GW range except a few 40k and Fantasy plastic kits is collapsing within a few weeks. GW can hardly produce new stuff. Sounds like a pattern. If an organism behaves like that, it is close to dying.

I went in to my local GW yesterday to find some more Tau stuff, and the entire Tau range has been moved to the back shelf with no more spotlight on it than is on Eldar or Orks. Half the range wasn't available (still no Riptides there) and the staff told me that I could just order anything through their in-store web kiosk. These are models not even 5 weeks old, and they already seem to be on life support.

Trasvi wrote:
I went in to my local GW yesterday to find some more Tau stuff, and the entire Tau range has been moved to the back shelf with no more spotlight on it than is on Eldar or Orks. Half the range wasn't available (still no Riptides there) and the staff told me that I could just order anything through their in-store web kiosk. These are models not even 5 weeks old, and they already seem to be on life support.

The Tau range moving isn't that surprising; the High Elves are out now so GW would want to give them pride of place. The Tau are last month's news. If it's any consolation, my FLGS had a full restock of everything except Devilfish. 4 Riptides, 2 Broadsides, 3 Pathfinder teams and the more normal Crisis and Fire Warrior teams. As of last week, they had no Broadsides, Riptides or Pathfinders, and only 2 Fire Warrior boxes. They're not on life support, they just seem to be really, really bad at logistics at the moment. Also not a good sign, but a different not-good.

Back on topic, this is why I avoided buying any of the Edge paints. They seemed possibly useful, but for the price and given GW's track history with paints it fairly quickly killed my interest. I'm already trying to find a replacement green for my cursed Space Marines. Every color I use ends up being discontinued by the manufacturer (three different ones now). You wouldn't think a dark green would be that difficult to get a hold of...

Trasvi wrote:
I went in to my local GW yesterday to find some more Tau stuff, and the entire Tau range has been moved to the back shelf with no more spotlight on it than is on Eldar or Orks. Half the range wasn't available (still no Riptides there) and the staff told me that I could just order anything through their in-store web kiosk. These are models not even 5 weeks old, and they already seem to be on life support.

Or it could just have something to do with the new High Elf stuff being put up front for everyone to see.

I havent heard of these edge paints, what where they?

 King of the Elves wrote:
I havent heard of these edge paints, what where they?

They were paints meant for extreme, extreme edge highlights. They were basically the lightest shade of each main color with more white added to them. They were kind of pastel-looking.

nkelsch wrote:

As someone who uses almost all the other types of Gw paints, I just didn't see the market for these. The amount of paint needed to highlight is so small compared to other colors, the paint would die before I used it all. Hence why I will mix white from my regular paints.

I think total lack of market could be a valid thing... Could also be QC issues... I just don't see the appeal either way.

I bought them (the whole range) to theoretically use when I paint my Slaaneshi CSM/Daemons so that I have consistency in colour within units. Using them for highlights is not really a concern (though I am sure I will when appropriate - just like I do with Wolf Grey).

When I got them in as direct order items from my FLGS he got another 2 sets in as well, but one of the colors was "last of" from GWAU...


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 Krinsath wrote:
I'm already trying to find a replacement green for my cursed Space Marines. Every color I use ends up being discontinued by the manufacturer (three different ones now). You wouldn't think a dark green would be that difficult to get a hold of...

If any of the greens was a GW colour, check out Vallejo and/or Coat D'Arms ranges. Vallejo match the most recent discontinued GW range while CDA used to make the older colours. Some shades are available from both.


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Shepherd23 wrote:
Issues like this are why I am glad I am 100% Vallejo paints. The only thing I can say good about GW paints vs Vallejo was that I did like GW metallics better.

Try the Vallejo Model Air metallics. They're utterly fantastic. Their only real lacking point is they're missing some nice shades (that Vallejo Game Colour has) in the warmer copper, gold and brass tones that would be good to have "on tap". - And the VMA metallics are SO much nicer to work with than the VGC. Hopefully they can expand those metallics in VMA at some stage.


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 Wolf wrote:

Slightly concerning. Oh well I'm glad I stuck to Vallejo, though Devlin mud wash is almost out :O

 Breotan wrote:
If I had come to depend on them for my army color scheme, I'd be boned. As it is, I'm still likely to be boned if my Devlin Mud runs out before I'm able to fully coat my Skaven with it. :(

Guys!

Army Painter Strong Tone Acrylic Wash (not the dipping stuff) appears from many reports to actually be Devlan Mud. As in the same stuff, from the same manufacturer in a different bottle sold by a different company.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448313.page
http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/devlan-mud-and-badab-black-wash.html
http://taleofpainters.blogspot.de/2012/02/review-army-painter-warpaints.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuwwPGTd1T8

Here's a couple of web articles. I've also got some and have used it myself and can confirm that it looks, behaves (and smells!) the same. I just haven't written a blog post about it.

 Kroothawk wrote:
If an organism behaves like that, it is close to dying.

If a company drops something that's unprofitable, it's close to dying?

Also, still for sale in the UK. It'd be a pretty dick move to simply stop selling these paints without any warning to hobbyists whatsoever.

 BryllCream wrote:
If a company drops something that's unprofitable, it's close to dying?

Do you practice being intentionally ignorant and/or the art of intentionally missing the point?

And I think it's very clear that despite your anger at having the claim of "straw man" levelled at you, you still don't understand what it is and that you do it all the time.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
If a company drops something that's unprofitable, it's close to dying?

Do you practice being intentionally ignorant and/or the art of intentionally missing the point?

And I think it's very clear that despite your anger at having the claim of "straw man" levelled at you, you still don't understand what it is and that you do it all the time.

Companies drop lines all the time, it doesn't mean squat. If GW dropped WHF or The Hobbit, that would be drastic. But dropping a paint range that presumably just didn't sell, is not that big.

GW dropped maybe a third of its products within a few weeks. Plus they practically dropped Hobbit/LOTR with no support and the "limited edition" now selling in the 6th month. Stores got a notice that for Warhammer Fantasy, only 4-5 products are required (module 1) from June onward. This is a bit more than just retiring Nagash.

BTW beating up Specialist Games for 5 years and then complaining that it is badly bruised is a bid unfair

 Azazelx wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
I'm already trying to find a replacement green for my cursed Space Marines. Every color I use ends up being discontinued by the manufacturer (three different ones now). You wouldn't think a dark green would be that difficult to get a hold of...

If any of the greens was a GW colour, check out Vallejo and/or Coat D'Arms ranges. Vallejo match the most recent discontinued GW range while CDA used to make the older colours. Some shades are available from both.

Thanks for the suggestion, the last one was indeed Orkhide Shade. It was a bit darker than the second color I used (Emerald Isle from FolkArt) but when varnished it looked "close enough" which is how the second color got the job as well. I'll have to check the Vallejo rack at the FLGS to see if they have the matching color in stock.

No worries. There are a number of colour match charts on the web, including one here on dakka. On my phone right now so can't find and link it but it is easily found.

 Azazelx wrote:
No worries. There are a number of colour match charts on the web, including one here on dakka. On my phone right now so can't find and link it but it is easily found.

The paint match charts are only really useful if you're looking for paints in the ball park of what you had, if you want an ACTUAL match, you're mostly out of luck.

The Vallejo Game Colour line is essentially a carbon copy of the previous GW range (up till a year or so ago when the new range came in). It was designed to be an alternative to/ride off the coattails of the previous GW paint range. - Right down to the "Extra Opaque/heavy" range that were/are copies of the original Foundation Paints. (The Washes don't quite cut the mustard, though.)

Coat D'Arms parent company (HMG Paints) used to make the GW paints years ago, and stlll sell most of the same paints using the same or similar names as the previous GW line. For colours that GW kept in circulation from then until the new range, CDA are pretty close - though they can vary a bit from batch to batch. Still a lot better than "Ballpark".

I'm not sure on Army Painter, but I'm pretty sure they're also a carbon copy of several key GW colours. But not as absolutely sure like I am with VGC and CDA. The names are a bit of a giveaway though, not sure why they're not in the Dakka Paint Range Compatablity Chart, though.

For, say, the P3 range, or Reaper, or Vallejo Model Colour then yes, it's a ballpark estimate. Sam deal with the older ranges (including the previous GW) when compared to GW's current range.

 Azazelx wrote:
The Vallejo Game Colour line ... It was designed to be an alternative to/ride off the coattails of the previous GW paint range

Sure? I thought Vallejo was lined up to produce them for GW, then GW backed out so Vallejo released them on their own. Similar to the whole Warcraft thing ; p Not that it matters really.

I've not ever heard that particular story. Not that it matters either way, as it has the same result of the VGC range being matches for the old GW range.

Either way, the VMC range was certainly used by the 'eavy metal team for a long time. In a number of the older WDs when they had desk shots of the painters you could see Vallejo dropper bottles on their workdesks, and in their paint guides (when such things existed!) they'd talk about mixing this and that GW colour together to get the precise shade of blue or red or whatever - when it would actually be a Vallejo colour they'd used and were giving a mix recipe as an approximation..

 MagickalMemories wrote:
Might be a QC issue.
My game group is in middle of a HUGE terrain overhaul. We are building and painting 4 tables worth of terrain, mostly from GW and FW stuff. One of my buddies ordered about 75 pots of the various new paints (edge, etc). Half or more of the drybrush ones showed up totally hosed. It looks like the paint gelled up and solidified in the container. The whole thing is rubbery and still has the look to it of having solidified after it was squirted into the pot (think of the way a tub of margarine looks).

They got defensive when he called. The drybrush paint is supposed to be very thick and paste-like, they said. When he tried to explain the difference between "paste like" and "rubbery," they did something I've never even HEARD of GW doing before. Rather than just offering a replacement, they offered a prepaid envelope to ship the bad ones back & said they'd refund/replace any that were legitimately bad.

Sounds to me like these paint lines have been a nightmare from the beginning... which doesn't surprise me in the least, coming from GW.

Eric

Interesting. I've only tried one of the drybrush paints and thought it was crap. I ended up giving it to my 4 year old to paint his green army guys with. Maybe it was only that particular pot... I may try a different one.

I haven't tried the edge paints as I am not a fan of edge highlighting. But the drybrush paints are really different and I can understand someone thinking they were duff and at the same time someone on the other end of the phone being unsure what they are describing. It's a shame no one thought to take a photo and email it.


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 Kroothawk wrote:
... Plus they practically dropped Hobbit/LOTR with no support and the "limited edition" now selling in the 6th month...

I think the 'limited edition' refers to it only being available for this year as I would expect a new big box for the Hobbit to tie in with the next film just like they did with the lord of the rings.

Bloodwin wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
... Plus they practically dropped Hobbit/LOTR with no support and the "limited edition" now selling in the 6th month...

I think the 'limited edition' refers to it only being available for this year as I would expect a new big box for the Hobbit to tie in with the next film just like they did with the lord of the rings.

No, it refers to the box with the limited Radagast miniature in it. Plans were to sell it out quickly and then sell the non-limited edition without Radagast, similar to the limited 40k starter box. Didn't quite work out that way though.

Games Workshop wrote:This beautiful Limited Edition of The Hobbit: Escape from Goblin Town features an exclusive miniature of Radagast the Brown that you can only get with this set. This box set is available in strictly limited numbers and only Available While Stocks Last. There will never be another version like this so make sure you do not miss out on this incredible opportunity - order yours today.