What is the currently the oldest 40K models still being sold by GW?

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**AlmightyWalrus**

Zweischneid wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Oaka wins. Those haven't been redesigned since their original release, and they are still sold independently.

But they aren't really models.

If you wanna include bases, I'll raise you these guys

I'll see your bet and raise you:

Or, even better:

**thenoobbomb**

Don't forget the WD

**SoloFalcon1138**

TheDungen wrote:
I'd say that miniature in the collectors range should be kept as a separate category competing against other minis in the collectors range.

So we have rules now governing a friendly discussion? smh

Is rhe old Egyptian sryle Necron lord still available?

**Evileyes**

Kain wrote:
Evileyes wrote:
Chaos furies *shudder*
Good thing nobody ever uses them thanks to their unprecedented LD 2.

Oh I use them, I mean, they are fearless in all but assault, and a lot of rending attacks for slaanesh marks means they don't often lose combat, and if they do, they are disposable and cheap so its no biggie. Good for chasing devastator squads and being an irritating fire magnet

But I really couldn't use those models, especially with them being both crap, and expencive. So I used tyranid rippers modded up a bit.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Zweischneid wrote:
Furyou Miko wrote:
Oaka wins. Those haven't been redesigned since their original release, and they are still sold independently.

But they aren't really models.

If you wanna include bases, I'll raise you these guys

I'll see your bet and raise you:

Or, even better:

I've always explained the hobby to people who don't understand it fiscally as selling sand to people who then buy paint to paint sand to look like sand.

**Thatguyhsagun**

SoB. not even a recast since release day...

**Oaka**

I can't remember the last time sand was redesigned for a new edition, so I'll have to go with that.

**Zweischneid**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Or, even better:

Lol.

I surrender...!

**Kroothawk**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ah we can still have different prizes.

So SW characters are oldest you can find in a story.
SM Thunder Armor is oldest being sold.

No?

The Warlocks are the oldest models outside the collector's range.
They are as old as the SM armour variants in the collector's range.
SW characters are one year younger.
Slotta base got a new model without the 4 sprue I think.
Sand is not a model (and wasn't sold by GW in the 90s AFAIK). Same with model grass.
Sororitas weren't even introduced in 1991.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:

I've always explained the hobby to people who don't understand it fiscally as selling sand to people who then buy paint to paint sand to look like sand.

This thread is getting more and more awesome.

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Thatguyhsagun wrote:
SoB. not even a recast since release day...

2004 for some models, 1998 for others. On average maybe the oldest model line but none of them are even in the running for oldest.

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Kroothawk wrote:

The Warlocks are the oldest models outside the collector's range.

None of the current warlocks seem to be the RT ones, am I missing something?

**Shadox**

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060084

As found in the Eldar HQ section.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Shadox wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060084

As found in the Eldar HQ section.

Ah, cheers! I stand corrected. 1991 miniatures still in production.

So how many people here are younger than that mini?

Oh and the circa 1989 Reaver Titan should also get a mention, even if it's not 40k, it just went OOP this month.

**Kroothawk**

Also this one:

... and at least the head and body of this one, as proven by the catalogue page you posted:

And now look at the body sculpt and cloth flow of this one, and it looks inferior, not even trying to mimick cloth:

**Shandara**

Oaka wrote:
What's the age of the 25mm slottabases?

They seem to have changed production methods on that a few times, the copyright year has changed quite a few times.

**Melissia**

Most of the Sisters line is pretty old (second edition), although I think other lines have something that beats them.

**Kroothawk**

Second edition was late 1993, and the warlocks above are 1991, so yes: No Sororitas army in Rogue Trader times.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Kroothawk wrote:
Second edition was late 1993, and the warlocks above are 1991, so yes: No Sororitas army in Rogue Trader times.

There were 2 female space marines who are sort of proto sororitas, and a they got a passing reference in RT

But yeah they did not become a faction until the 2nd edition black codex.

**DeffDred**

Kroothawk wrote:
Second edition was late 1993, and the warlocks above are 1991, so yes: No Sororitas army in Rogue Trader times.

Which is strange given pages 268 and 269 in the Rogue Trader book.

Ninja'd...

But they were refered to as Sororitas.

Edit: My keyboard seems to hate the letter "S".

**Kid_Kyoto**

Another tie entrant

RT era rangers still in production!

I love those guys.

**MandalorynOranj**

Wow, those Warlocks are two years older than I am...

**AustonT**

BairdEC wrote:The Eldar bikes and space marine bikes are both pretty old. I think several of the other Eldar models are also from 2nd ed. (warp spiders, pathfinders, banshees, and the other aspects). Orks have mostly been replaced except for some of the grots and the wartrakk/ warbuggy and a couple of the big guns. The sprues for the Leman Russ and Chimera have been updated to make assembly easier, but the models still look pretty much the same except for a few new options. Dunno about the other armies off hand. I don't think termagaunts, hormagaunts, and genestealers have changed, but the bigger bugs definitely have, so I just might not be familiar enough with the lines.

Most of the aspects were updated in 2007 except swooping hawks and warp spiders. Pathfinders are Ranger models, also updated in 2007. Genestealers have changed dramatically since 2 ed so have hormagants which used to stand taller than a Cadian and were made of white metal.
Wartrakks,WarBuggies,Space Marine Bikes and EJB are all from 1993 and 2 ed.

**Azreal13**

Actually, SM bikes have been re cut. Only subtly, but the rider is now different, I bought a bundle of 2nd hand recently, and there's a definite difference between the model kits now and from a few years ago.

Whether that qualifies as new or not, I'll leave to the brain trust.

**AustonT**

azreal13 wrote:
Actually, SM bikes have been re cut. Only subtly, but the rider is now different, I bought a bundle of 2nd hand recently, and there's a definite difference between the model kits now and from a few years ago.

Whether that qualifies as new or not, I'll leave to the brain trust.

When they released C:SM for 4E the bike got new molds, and the Atk Bike Mk2 came out but I don't really see the difference between the new and old ones. What do you see?

**Dheneb**

The Vyper is in the same boat as the bikes. I bought one off eBay a while ago, and there was something like a stat card with lascannon and plasma cannon options on it. Which I believe hasn't been available in this geological era. It's had a retooling or repackaging (with new weapons) since then, but barely any of it has changed.

**Pouncey**

azreal13 wrote:
Actually, SM bikes have been re cut. Only subtly, but the rider is now different, I bought a bundle of 2nd hand recently, and there's a definite difference between the model kits now and from a few years ago.

Whether that qualifies as new or not, I'll leave to the brain trust.

I noticed a difference when I got some more SM bikes a year or two ago. The newer versions are pretty much identical, only the waist join is rounded, presumably to accommodate the plastic Marine torsos to make kitbashing easier.

Either that or I'm basing the presumption they used to be flat on the old metal plasma/meltagunner torsos having flat waist joins.

**Kid_Kyoto**

I think Eldar and Space Marine bikes are the oldest plastic models out there.

**Scott-S6**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

I'll see your bet and raise you:

Paint suppliers have changed several times so not even close.

**Zweischneid**

Scott-S6 wrote:

Paint suppliers have changed several times so not even close.

Pewter-suppliers and casting methods changed on those old Eldar/Space Wolf/Etc.. miniatures too. At least once in the move to Finecast, probably more often.

If we look at what goes into the product (black paint or miniature), rather than the product itself, it's going to be a seriously difficult call to make. And the "oldest" thing will likely be something far more recent.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Second edition was late 1993, and the warlocks above are 1991, so yes: No Sororitas army in Rogue Trader times.

There were 2 female space marines who are sort of proto sororitas, and a they got a passing reference in RT

But yeah they did not become a faction until the 2nd edition black codex.

lol and they had to put spikes on her boob-plate...

**tommse**

At least those Eldar dudes look alright (as far as Eldar go... Not my cup o´tea) but Ragner is causing physical pain to my eyeballs