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That's a cool idea. This clip is super creepy for many reasons. One being how old the 'kids' look.

Love the helmet conversions and the subtle meaning of it. Love love love.

What i will try out next is changing the mask design. What designs can you think of?
What i will try out is recreate the EC style mask but with added symbolized stiched over the mouth area and als make it more human propotioned as in a longer mouth and chin area as the one i already did.
Also a nearly featureless blank mask with just eyes, nose and nothing else
And another one will be a more human propotioned ones. One with more or less human features but more masklike and maybe one with overexagregated features.

I prefer a helmeted variant over just a mask over an unarmored head but i can't decide if i should recreate a helmet style similar to the normal helmets like i tried in my latest approach or change the helmet layout completely. If so, what do you think would be [code]possible helmet shapes?

And another problem - or better task - i have to keep in mind is recreating a bunch of the design i choose. So i probably have to look at resin casting or something similar. But just for 10 or so helmets ... it feels kinda strange. Is someone actually interested in the casts if i create a few designs? (This is more of a theoretical question as i never have casted something in resin and have no ideas of the quality i could create.)

You could also offer your designs to a caster to sell in return for a portion of them back to you. The problem there is that you couldn't have any GW parts in the sculpt.

An interesting idea. But i have no idea who would do something like that.

I got into resin casting for a couple hundred bucks. That gave me a huge supply of rubber and plastic. You can get smaller kits as well. It is very useful for what you are doing. I made a mold of some generic torsos, cast them up and then added details. I think you have great skill at sculpting and people in the community would certainly be interest in your work.

 Depraved wrote:
I think you have great skill at sculpting and people in the community would certainly be interest in your work.

+1 to this

Okay, i have done a few other variations. And I'll also rework the other helmet i did before. Here are the new ones. What you you think? What is your favorite between those three and the helmet from before?

I personally felt like the helmets were more characterful to represent silence. I know those heads must have taken you a while, and I mean no offense by this, but the complete absence of a mouth now actually just makes them look as though they're heads that were not done being sculpted.

...But again, that might be just me seeing it in green-stuff form and knowing how things look when in WIP-mode.

I really like them. All three are great but I think the two on the left work better as the right most just looks either like a mask, or that there never was a mouth to begin with. I still also really like the helmet with the demon hands, I don't think it should be written off.

I'll try to turn them into masked helmets similar to the one i did before. Lets see how that turns out. This will probably work for the two on right but i don't know how the left one will work as a mask. Maybe i need to add some non organic stuff like cables and bolt to make the look less organic and more masklike. We'll have to see.

what about the space marine vent that most helmets have down the middle?

I didn't had the time to work on the helmets until yesterday. But here are they now. I'll probably add a few minor details on them but it should give you a good impression on how they are shaping up.



The one on the right will also get some more details like a top-vent and such but i had to cut the back of the head down and build up again as it wasn't evenly shaped.
What helmet variant do you prefer? Or what should i try out next or change up on those?

They're coming along nicely! Can't wait to see some finished and painted!

You'll probably have to wait a long time until i have them painted...
First in need to finish them, decide which one to use and replicate that 8 or 9 times either with resin casting or 2part pressmolding. Then i can finally assemble and paint them.

http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=941

Scibor anubis heads?

Kromlech's heads are a bit better in my book. You also got ramshakle games heads that work pretty well too.

PleaseDontExplode wrote:http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=941

Scibor anubis heads?

Kiryu Mk 3 wrote:Kromlech's heads are a bit better in my book. You also got ramshakle games heads that work pretty well too.

I've looked at a lot of helmets and only a few came close to the vague comcept i had in mind.The only ones that came close where the masked ones from puppetswar. But i want them to be uniform and don't want to buy 5 sets of helmets i started to sculpt those. So thanks for the reply but those don't have what i want.



I haven't done much on the helmet-front but i tried to press mold one of them and it worked better than i thought. I haven't cleaned them and there are also a few bubbles where the putty didn't go in but it could work. But i will probably try out resin casting once i've done my sesearch on where to start best.

Those are the pressmolded ones:

 btldoomhammer wrote:

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And i just want to repeat my question: which of the 4 posted are your favorite?

#2 starting from the left.

my favorites are: #2, #3... #4 needs some sort of riming, or trimming. Thousand sons are fancy, and it's just too plain.

Mime masks could work well. They are a fairly universal representation of silence, not to mention a squad of expressionless, ceramic faced marines would just be... creepy!

I quite like the idea of the helmet simply being blank where the mouth should be, but ive found they havent been as striking in your models as compared with the ones with the details or clasps over their mouths.

Perhaps a more blocky style at the lower portion of the mask/helmet? have you thought of having a non-helmet head with a plate sorta bolted over the mouth? Or perhaps someone screaming but the inside being plated? like they couldn't speak if they wanted to?

I know your theme is its a vow of silence, so not sure whether you want it to look voluntary or involuntary. As they are slightly different But so far loving the helmet mods you first did.

Concepts look good so far. Have you considered maybe incorperating Ball Gags? They would fit in with your Slaaneshi disposition and they work with your silent theme

I'm starting to get increasingly fond of Helmet #1 on the left there.

Solar Shock wrote:
I quite like the idea of the helmet simply being blank where the mouth should be, but ive found they havent been as striking in your models as compared with the ones with the details or clasps over their mouths.

Perhaps a more blocky style at the lower portion of the mask/helmet? have you thought of having a non-helmet head with a plate sorta bolted over the mouth? Or perhaps someone screaming but the inside being plated? like they couldn't speak if they wanted to?

I know your theme is its a vow of silence, so not sure whether you want it to look voluntary or involuntary. As they are slightly different But so far loving the helmet mods you first did.

I'm also not 100% sure what is best to do. But i think that the more cleaner mask approach would fit better to the whole model. I could add finer decorations and such but as their armor doesn't have those i think my typical chaos decorations wouldn't fit there. So i'll probably stay with the mask over helmet kinda approach. The helmetless with the bolted plate is a nice idea for their champion to further differentiate him.

This is how the champ currently looks like:


And they take the silence more or less voluntary to strengthen the potency of their voice. My warband has a strong sound and noise marine theme. I plan on building predator with noise weaponry, i have my noise terminators and a large amount of noise marines.
The background of my leader is that her voice is that strong that hearing it can already kill you, adding the souls of those killed like that to her eternal soul choir powering her armor. She speaks through the many voices of the trapped souls if she needs to adress her lower warriors. She chooses her chosen from those actually able to survive her voice. And if she sings together with the choir she can set reality itself aflame in warpflames counting as Burning Brand of Skalathrax.

Those models i'm building here are somewhat of an additional training stage and serving as elite guard of the warmongers (or dark apostles). Their training can either lead into madness and possession or a better understanding or sonic based powers. Those surviving will either join the ranks of my noise marines or the noise terminators if they are strong enough. And in some rare cases they gain a deadly voice similar to her leader. (I have no models for that planed Maybe a special honour guard of elite chosen. ). And even less gain the ability to control emotions with subtle undertones in their voices. These warmonger serve as charismatic field leaders and also are tasked to fuel the ever burning flame of conflict under the clans on their homeworld to screen out the strongest clan warriors in battle for potetntial recruitment.

 Xendarc wrote:
Concepts look good so far. Have you considered maybe incorperating Ball Gags? They would fit in with your Slaaneshi disposition and they work with your silent theme

Ball gags aren't the imagery i was going for.

The more i think about it the more i like the idea of actually using more than one design for them. I can't decide which helemt to use so why not use all or most of them?

 btldoomhammer wrote:
The more i think about it the more i like the idea of actually using more than one design for them. I can't decide which helemt to use so why not use all or most of them?

I assumed you already planned to?! but yes I definitely think you should use some if not all. I have always perferred individual heads rather than a specific helmet for all. But I must admist on eldar it works and such because of uniformaility. Which chaos tend to slightly disregard imo

It would fit well with your fluff too, the idea that they are attempting to enpower themselves in defiling their flesh/faces/voices, carrying out whatever vile experiment they think will stop their voices. I can just imagine some of them taking helmets, while some of the truely crazed or possessed freely choosing to hack themselves up in that lust for ultimate power. I love that its a noise marine styled army. I have always thought them a fantastic theme and the fluff in the last codex was awesome.

I really love lucifer as an idea too, such an awesome character. Ive been currently working on a way to incorporate him into my ork army (sounds odd I know) but I was going on the idea of that a grot had used the soul of another within a machine to slay him so the machine becomes possessed with the grot driving it Or the same idea in a bike, making wazzdakka use lucifers soul as the drive for his warp bike

You mean lucius (not lucifer) right? Because he was the first HQ unit i scratchbuild for my army.

Sadly i have no better shot of him than this. And i currently can't take a better one as he is now primed black and you'd probably see even less details.

 btldoomhammer wrote:
Ball gags aren't the imagery i was going for.

Swing and a miss.

 btldoomhammer wrote:
You mean lucius (not lucifer) right? Because he was the first HQ unit i scratchbuild for my army.

Ah i get what you mean now. Modular would be useful for further termies, which I assume you will have atleast a few more of Such a shame you dont play! would be wicked to see your army across the table not that i play much either, but definitely feels like im missing out slightly

idd what i meant hes sick the sculpt on the shoulders and legs is fantastic. Theres a face on his inner right shin that looks totally amazing. where they all freehand? or molded? I imagine freehand, as with the armour the detail doesn't go deep?

Last night I was thinking about a deamon prince based off him, as I've always imagined his whip to be monsterous tentacles pouring out of his arm socket and shoulder pad. Might have to be a scaled down deamon prince, sorta half way between prince and normal CSM, he'd look silly so huge anyways! off to the garage, i feel i need a scult myself

I haven't worked on this project for a few weeks now but i finished the heads the last day. What do you guys think of them?

And i also made 2piece pressmolds for each head. You can see two cleaned heads and and a few who i haven't worked on yet. It isn't as bad as i thought it would be but resin casting is probably the better way to go. Getting the putty in the shapes is harder and doseing the amount of putty is essential for both sides to go together well without to much excess as you have to press it in before pushing both sides together. If you added to much the excess can't be pressed out easily and will clog up the mould.