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On a more serious note, there are a few doctrinal ideals that have not been covered or are not solidly in the purview of one of the established chapters. Here are ones I could see:

Aerial Assault - I don't know of a Marine Chapter that currently is mostly known for their assault via flying transports(not Drop Pods, but Thunderhawks, Storm Eagles...etc). There are some that do this in addition to their other ideals, but not one that made a living on it like most doctrinal forces do.

Void Combat - Troops that thrive in zero gravity environments and have an intrinsic understanding of a 3D battlefield established when you add zero gravity(there are ship combat masters, but not Void combat).

The Legions were never big fans or anything but up close and brutal close combat and short range engagements.

1) Reasoned Debate
2) Point/Counterpoint in local newspapers.

 Kain wrote:
Being really Angry and really Pretty.

Kain's got it

One was a pacifist, and we all know the Emperor don't want none of them around.

The other was like the Night Lords, only worse, and did unacceptably bad things to achieve victory.



Or maybe their colour schemes and tactics were too close to those of other Legions, and as a result they were obliterated by GW for not gathering enough money from model sales.

One chased the space wolves around with vacuum cleaners after they had fethed over the Thousand Sons. They then had to book it before poor widdle Weeman Wuss told Daddy E.

The other one liked horde tactics and attempted to assimilate the Tyranids.

 King Pariah wrote:
One chased the space wolves around with vacuum cleaners after they had fethed over the Thousand Sons. They then had to book it before poor widdle Weeman Wuss told Daddy E.

The other one liked horde tactics and attempted to assimilate the Tyranids.

A regular marine reader I see?

 Kain wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
One chased the space wolves around with vacuum cleaners after they had fethed over the Thousand Sons. They then had to book it before poor widdle Weeman Wuss told Daddy E.

The other one liked horde tactics and attempted to assimilate the Tyranids.

A regular marine reader I see?

Long live the Ostrogoths.

 gnoise wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
One chased the space wolves around with vacuum cleaners after they had fethed over the Thousand Sons. They then had to book it before poor widdle Weeman Wuss told Daddy E.

The other one liked horde tactics and attempted to assimilate the Tyranids.

A regular marine reader I see?

Long live the Ostrogoths.

"It's time to neuter this puppy."

One favoured a stiffer, Southern style of Wrasslin'. His Astartes tended to favour grizzly beards, big arms and something of a pot belly.

The other was Mexican lucha libre, masks, high flying, light contact and terribly confusing six man tag team training regimes.

Handbags at dawn seems the most likely to me.

Here it is:

Since they are opposing sides of the same style (like Dorn and Perturabo), supposedly, then one was a pacifist. Chaos whisked him away to a planet that was inhabited by two opposing factions that had been peacefully debating whether chocolate or peaunut butter was better. Found by an ancient order of confectioner monks, he spent 50 years learning the art of peaceful debate, and, once the monks found his sufficiently pacifistic, began experimenting with different candies and searching for ancient lost recipes in order to calm the planet's strife. After fasting and seeking guidance from the universe he finally found the STC for Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, and, with the dawn of a new age of enlightened candy consumption, lead his planet to peace and prosperity. His planet quickly lead the sector into prosperity by forming a coalition of cooperative planets and he developed a reputation as a completely fair, open-minded individual that was ready to incorporate other people's ideas into his governance. The Emperor found this policy of toleration so abhorrent that He ordered the immediate extermination of the entire coalition.

The other primarch, being the exact opposite of the pacifistic primarch, was all about complete and absolute, unreasoning violence. He was found by his planet's ruling family, but immediately ripped them into human confetti, taking time to slurp their eyeballs with a straw he had. He then rampaged across the globe and killed EVERYTHING. He didn't just kill things, he eviscerated, slashed, burnt, raped, and obliterated all living things. There was no horror he did not commit. He invented new horrors so terrible that they could only be described in colors. Khorne was left gaping at the depravity of this primarch and vomited a time or two at the copious amounts of gore. Slaanesh cringed and swore off BDSM for a while after seeing some of the things this primarch did. Nurgle and Tzeentch were happy because he changed everything into rotting piles of offal. Eventually, after having obliterated all life on his planet he saw himself in a mirror and commenced a 40 day battle against himself. It was hard fought, but eventually he gained the upper hand and tore off his limbs, all four of them. He then beat himself with them until every bone in his body was broken, and with his last breath, he squeezed the bile out of his liver and drank it. Thus ended the life of the violent primarch.

The legions of the two missing Primarchs, Terrance and Phillip, conducted war exclusively with gaseous weapons of mass destruction.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The two missing Primarchs are there, so that every gamer has room to invent his own one.

No, they're not.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
The two missing Primarchs are there, so that every gamer has room to invent his own one.

No, they're not.

I think you are probably correct. The missing primarchs were likely just some random fluff that sounded good at the time. Then fans used them for a long time to make their own legions. Then this practical use was interpreted to have been done by design (possible but I doubt it) by people and that became the accepted internet wisdom. Now the primarchs have been integrated into the Horus Heresy fluff as the lost and the purged.

The only way to know the original intent would be to ask Rick Priestly if he even remembers what the intent was.

Weren't one of the original 2 missing Legions called the Rainbow Warriors?

 gnoise wrote:
Weren't one of the original 2 missing Legions called the Rainbow Warriors?

Rainbow Warriors and Valedictors before they were retconned.

 gnoise wrote:
Weren't one of the original 2 missing Legions called the Rainbow Warriors?

No. The Rainbow Warriors were a Chapter that was declared heretic and destroyed by the SoB. IIRC, they were an Ultramarine successor. They were never a Legion.

The idea of them being one of the missing 2 came from people spotting references to them in the RT books, and then not finding any reference to them in later editions (they weren't mentioned in anything, anywhere, in 2nd, 3rd or (IIRC) 4th edition) - so clearly if GW were no longer mentioning them, they must be one of the two Legions that was removed from Imperial Records, no...?


Yeah... no.

Needless to say, they were not very effective.

hahaha very true. That is the best answer i've seen yet

Krav Maga and Jiujitsu?

The theory about one using high proportions of world killer weapons seems reasonable though..

I reckon one of them used "Bureaucracy and a Weaponised version of Powerpoint".

Death by Administration, I think our American Cousins call this "Big Government".

Big E got fed up of all the Paperwork he had to sign and had him / her Administratively dealt with.



I give you the 2nd Primarch!

The other Probably a fat lazy slob, and just hit the Exterminatus button, over every planet.

"What? I'm getting it done aren't I? Why do I need a Legion? Just need a single ship and a couple of thousand Cyclonic Torpedos. Give my Legion to Roboute, I ain't doing Physical exercise,"

Big E probably got rid of him, he couldn't have a Pilsbury Dough boy running around undermines his supposed Genetic Genius.



I give you the 11th Primarch!

I seem to recall that years ago it was alluded to that Sigmar from WHFB was a primarch before it got retconned. If so his fighting style was:

Break it down.
Stop.
Hammer time!

One Primarch dealt solely with the baking and distribution of cookies. I mean seriously, who can say No to a cookie? He was removed due to trying out Oatmeal Raisin, and everyone knows that Oatmeal raisin cookies are a war crime. Real Astartes eat chocolate chip.

The other one...I got nothing.

 Happyjew wrote:
The other one...I got nothing.

He gave Lemun Russ a carrot cake on his birthday.

One was a fearsome psyker who used a blade of pure energy and could choke the life out of enemies the other side of a space station through sheer psychic might and pinching his fingers. He was also most cybernetic and had two huge space ships to put the Phalanx to shame.
The other had found a way to enslave creatures with elemental powers to his will using energy capturing spheres. He was also perpetually youthful, never aging beyond 10 years.

 insaniak wrote:

 gnoise wrote:
Weren't one of the original 2 missing Legions called the Rainbow Warriors?

No. The Rainbow Warriors were a Chapter that was declared heretic and destroyed by the SoB. IIRC, they were an Ultramarine successor. They were never a Legion.

The idea of them being one of the missing 2 came from people spotting references to them in the RT books, and then not finding any reference to them in later editions (they weren't mentioned in anything, anywhere, in 2nd, 3rd or (IIRC) 4th edition) - so clearly if GW were no longer mentioning them, they must be one of the two Legions that was removed from Imperial Records, no...?


Yeah... no.

There were no legions in Rogue Trader anyway. They were still Chapters back then.

 gnoise wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The other one...I got nothing.

He gave Lemun Russ a carrot cake on his birthday.

No... I think that was Magnus

The 11th definitely chased Russ with a vacuum cleaner.

 Fotherington-Thomas wrote:
One favoured a stiffer, Southern style of Wrasslin'. His Astartes tended to favour grizzly beards, big arms and something of a pot belly.

The other was Mexican lucha libre, masks, high flying, light contact and terribly confusing six man tag team training regimes.

You've got it all wrong the first didnt like Wrasslin' he wanted a strong style full of no selling finishers and pseudo mma style moves.


Seriously though

One was very diplomatic and had forged a massive alliance with a bunch of Xenos prior to the Big Es arrival, he refused to exterminate his comrades leading to a falling out with the imperium

The other had discovered a forgotten STC allowing him to reconstruct the Men of Iron which he used extensively despite multiple warnings by the Big E leading to his eventual extermination

 djphranq wrote:
Wu-tang and Shaolin

Bring da ruckus!

This. Because those legions? Nothing to feth with.