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Ok so there we go, I am not syaing the character can be targetted out, he is in a unit that can be shot at. The drones while purchased as wargear are a unit, if they werent a unit they wouldnt have stats and bases.

"and since wargear drones are wargear and not a unit, you CANNOT target them."

That statment is the crux of your argument, and false BTW nowhere in the entry does it say: drones canot be targeted. That is the key flaw that I have kept bringing up, and that has yet to be addressed. Once again (Im not tryin to be personal here) show me where it says in the RULES that the drones cannot be targetted.

That statment is the crux of your argument, and false BTW nowhere in the entry does it say: drones canot be targeted. That is the key flaw that I have kept bringing up, and that has yet to be addressed. Once again (Im not tryin to be personal here) show me where it says in the RULES that the drones cannot be targetted.

 

There will never be a meeting here. There is no such statement that 'wargear drones' can or cannot are a 'targettable unit'.

While the phrase 'form a unit and may still join other units' may elude to it, it seems to be purposed for coherency, deepstriking, and fallback rules (Considering what the paragraph is about). I think you (general) won't get passed the word 'unit' and will continue to forget that it is an Independent Character unit (as described in BGB pg 50)

So then that brings it all full circle with this question..

Are you going to count a HQ w/drones a scoring unit (able to hold objectives)? Because if you are going to consider the 'unit' targettable, then a scoring unit it should be, and not an Independent Character Unit (as the book has laid out).

We've met headstrong in the center to the conclusion that the book cannot give us the answer, so it must be played 1 of 2 ways:

He is an IC, unscoring and untargettable. (following IC rules)

He is a unit, scoring and therefore targettable. (following unit rules)

Commander Shadowsun's special rules say she is an Independant Character unless she is accompanied by her drones.

IC's are never scoring units. "**..regardless of his unit type." pg 85 BGB bottom of the VP table.

Does a statured deamon prince count as a monsterous creature (thus contesting table quarters) or is it an IC? I would really like to know.

IIRC, Stature does not remove IC status, but it does negate some of its effects, namely targetability.

Since it is an IC+Monsterous Creature now, the '**' line trumps the MC line for VP purposes.


I could be wrong though...

It's still an IC regardless of the size and therefore has no ability to hold quarters and such.

Thanks! That is wot I thought but just wanted to make sure.

arent' Demon Spawns wargear?

Posted By Harkainos on 03/31/2006 1:32 AM

While the phrase 'form a unit and may still join other units' may elude to it, it seems to be purposed for coherency, deepstriking, and fallback rules (Considering what the paragraph is about).

It dosent matter what the words "seem" to account for, it says they form a unit, its not up to interpret what they are a unit for. A unit is a unit. Not a unit for just such and such. (unless it specifically says so)

@R3p3nt
My last post ended the debate as we are at a stalemate. The rules do not undeniably swing one way or the other.

You are taking one sentence and claiming that it proves you right. The fact of the matter is, wargear drones cannot claim objectives and therefore are not a unit in their own right, And you cannot prove that they do.

I am taking the entire drone entry, IC entry and BGB references and claiming that it proves me right. On the other hand, I cannot prove that the word 'unit' only implies unit coherency, deepstriking, deployment, fallback, and removal (Even though it is painstakingly obvious that is what the paragraph is about).

So stelmate it is I guess, seems I can't convince you and vice versa. Its just intent vs the actual wording here, and Im to tired to argue over it anymore.