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I'm absolutely fine with that if our friend can skip the snide remarks.
Amusingly, my post now looks worse than it did with the original, mild words edited out. They were essentially the same as "smarty pants" as opposed to the far worse things our minds will insert in there.

Anyway, it is a sunny morning here now (unusual for Cumbria), but I see the next stretch goal has been achieved (the Russian armoured car) , the next stretch is the Finnish and Russian artillery. Just approaching the 100 backers at the moment as well.

:-)

I failed to resist any longer. Oh well

I'm sorely tempted but I'd like to see a few more models shown before diving in. I'm also echoing concerns about the sheer amount of free stuff being offered. I just don't see how the budget can support that, unless it's a CMoN style set up.

Keeping my eye on it at any rate, it's a conflict that's always fascinated me.

I DON'T know the company/people behind this, so what I'm posting below is ONLY SPECULATION

Once all the free stretches are in they probably will have little or no margin left but

The KS risks and challenges section says all the sculpting, casting and mould making is done in house

so they are able give their time for the above 'free' except for materials used, which will drastically reduce the costs compared to a company that had to contract out some or all of these tasks

(this assumes they have a day job/partner with a job to pay the bills while they do this)

the payoff for doing so being a whole new range to sell in the future

(which given the rising popularity of WWII gaming may be enough to make it worth while for them in the long term),

EDIT: As with all KS projects check out the project, ask question of the project creator if they haven't addressed anything you think you need to know (the contact me button is there for a reason), and make up your own mind




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Stretch Goal 10: £9,000

Red Army: Armoured Car. There is a larger jump to unlock this stretch goal. If this is reached, we will produce an armoured car to support the Red Army invasion of Finland. This may be supplied later than our original delivery date, but more details will released later. You will receive one multi-piece armoured car per Platoon in your pledge level.

New 'Stretch Goals' been put up.

Currently chasing:

#11 @ £10,000 - Finnish / Russian Artillery piece and Crew

#12 @ £12,000 - Russian T-26 Tank

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New 'Stretch Goals'

#13 @ £13,000 - Finnish: Lahti AT rifles. Firing and moving, gunner and assistant (4 miniatures per pack)

#14 @ £14,000 - Red Army: Tank crew and Tank riders. One pack of each.

#15 @ £16,000 - Red Army: Engineers. Includes Flamethrower, Demolition, mine and wire clearing sets of 3 miniatures each.

#16 @ £18,000 - Red Army: Commissar. Two Commissar minatures.

#17 @ £20,000 - Finnish: Model Cajander. Finnish troops in varying civilian clothes to mix in with infantry units or use as civil guard.

#18 @ £22,000 - Red Army: Infantry in snow camo. 2 packs of different poses in snow camouflage.

#19 @ £24,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Head conversions and Casualty markers.Head variants for both armies to vary your armies. Also a pack of dead casualties for casualty markers (unlike medic pack previously).

#20 @ £26,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Artillery observers and Summer uniform crews. Crews for the previously unlocked support weapons and artillery in summer uniforms.

#21 @ £30,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Field Kitchen.Comes with crew and eating troops (can also be used as POWs)

#22 @ £34,000 - Red Army: Twin MG turret T-26. Varient of the T-26 with twin MGs.

# 23 @ £36,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Truck. With optional AA Gun and passenger

# 24 @ £40,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Aerosan OSGA 6. Comes with crew for both armies supplied.

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UPDATE

The artillery (stretch #11) has been unlocked, next stretch goal is the Russian T-26 Tank.!

Yeah dude, it's Baker Co. http://bakercompany.co.uk/
They're very well known in the historical community for their Vietnam figures and terrain.

Here is a provisional list I have put together of the 'Platoon level' backer package in Winter War that a backer could get if the 24 stretch goals so far announced are all unlocked - preseently only 11 are unlocked but there is still over 24 days to go on this kickstarter. (Please note these listings is only what I have been able to ascertain and are not 'official' lists.)



Finnish Platoon

Base Platoon pack - HQ (1 Officer, 1 SGT, 2 rifle messengers), 2x Rifle sections, 2x LMG sections (1x CPL, 1x LMG & 5 rifles) Total of 38 figures

Stretch #1 - 10 man unit of Finnish skiers

Stretch #2 - 4 man sniper unit

Stretch #3 - 4 man unit of Tank Hunters

Stretch #4 - 2 Medics and 2 casualties

Stretch #5 - Support Weapons: 1 mortar and 5 crew and 1 HMG's and 5 crew (choose between firing and moving for the mortar and HMG)

Stretch #6 - 1 anti-tank gun and 4 crew

Stretch #8 - 1 troop of 6 mounted cavalry (fast infantry)

Stretch #9 - 10 man Jaeger unit on bicycles

Stretch #11 - 1 x artillery piece, crew, and baggage (pulled by reindeer)
(Choice of one limbered or one unlimbered artillery piece per platoon)

Stretch #13 (locked) - 2 Lahti anti-tank rifle teams (4 figures)

Stretch #15 (locked) - Engineers (Flamethrower, Demolition, mine & wire clearing - 3 figures)

Stretch #17 (locked) - Model Cajander troops (2 packs each of 4 figures, total 8 figures)

Stretch #20 (locked) - Artillery observer - 1 figure

Stretch #21 (locked) - Field Kitchen, crew and 4 resting troops

Stretch #23 (locked) - Truck with optional AA gun and 2 crew OR with 6 sitting passangers

Stretch # 24 (locked) - Aerosan OSGA 6 and crew



Red Army Platoon

Base Platoon pack - HQ (1 Officer, 1 SGT, 2 rifle messengers), 4x Rifle sections Total of 44 figures

Stretch #2 - 4 x snipers

Stretch #4 - 2 Medics and 2 casualties

Stretch #5 - Support Weapons: 1 mortar and 5 crew and 1 HMG's and 5 crew (choose between firing and moving for the mortar and HMG)

Stretch #10 - 1 x Armoured car

Stretch #11 - 1 x artillery piece, crew, and baggage (pulled by horses)
(Choice of one limbered or one unlimbered artillery piece per platoon)

Stretch #12 (locked) - 1 x T-26 tank

Stretch #14 (locked) - Tank Crew pack and Tank Riders pack (4 figures per pack)

Stretch #15 (locked) - Engineers (Flamethrower, Demolition, mine & wire clearing - 3 figures)

Stretch #16 (locked) - Commissars - set of 2

Stretch #18 (locked) - 2 packs in snow camoflage (4 figures per pack, total 8 figures)

Stretch #20 (locked) - Artillery observer - 1 figure

Stretch #21 (locked) - Field Kitchen, crew and 4 resting troops

Stretch #22 (locked) - Twin MG turret T-26

Stretch #23 (locked) - Truck with optional AA gun and 2 crew OR with 6 sitting passangers

Stretch #24 (locked) - Aerosan OSGA 6 and crew


Without counting armoured cars, tanks, trucks, and other equipment that works out at about 120 figures for the Finnish Platoon and 100 figures for the Russian Platoon.
Of course there are the summer uniform variants and alternative heads as part of the stretch goals as well.

Stretch Goal 11: £10,000 - UNLOCKED!

Finnish & Red Army: Artillery. This stretch goal will unlock artillery and baggage for both armies. The artillery will be supplied limbered with horses and riding crew and in a firing position with crew. Finnish baggage will be pulled by reindeer (go on Rudolf!). Choose either limbered or unlimbered versions as one gun and one baggage will be added per Platoon in your pledge

Stretch goal #12 - The Soviet T-26 tank - is now unlocked.

The new upcoming stretch goals have a target delivery date of jan/feb 2014 and will make up a second wave of deliveries

The stretch-goal for the Finnish anti-tank rifles has now been unlocked.

Next stretch goal is for Soviet tank riders (4) and tank crew (4).

Tank riders have been unlocked.

And so have Engineers!

Next up is stretch goal #16, the Soviet Commissars and standard bearer, at £18,000.

Already there are 154 backers, and still over 3 weeks to go. It looks like this will achieve all the current 24 stretch goals and more by the end of the kickstarter.

Winter War

The Winter War of 1939-1940 was a short but extremely bloody conflict where over 1 million Red Army soldiers were killed while trying to invade Finland.

Hi,

Great KS but that there is a bit of an overstatement. Red Army had over 1 million soldiers deployed with casualties in killed and wounded amounting to around 300.000 - 330.000 men.

Cheers,

Ville

 Azazelx wrote:
No way is this one delivering in November this year. Funding closes on Oct 8th, 2-3 weeks for KS to release the money to the creator, and we're already in November.

Add to that a relatively unknown producer, an enormous number of stretch goal figures that aren't yet sculpted.. I dunno. It all seems to be too good to be true and is giving me a bad feeling...

Baker Company might be relatively unknown here....but they are not for historical gamers. I really would not be too surprised if they started shipping in November and shipped as cast since everything will be done in house for them.

Thanks for posting the stretch goal as they funded folks,

I've updated the OP with everything to date

Thats the 2 Soviet Commissars and Standard Bearer unlocked.

Next stretch, #17 at £20,000, is for the Model Cajander, 2 packets of 4 figures each.


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A couple of very important announcements this morning in Update #13 (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030835091/winter-war-wargaming-miniatures/posts/602493?ref=activity) concerning this kickstarter.

Gavin has said that at the conclusion of the kickstarter the smaller orders (<£30) will be despatched first and then the orders will be despatched in backer order (a significant reason to get in even a small holding pledge early on which can of course be increased later).

Also, and here I copy and paste the wording, a significant announcement on shipping:

"As previously stated, the vehicles I expect to come in a second delivery and then the second stretch goals would be delivered in a third delivery in January/February if they are not already completed."

So, the plans are for three shipments already.

"Model Cajander" models are in!

Next up, £22,000 for "Red Army: Infantry in snow camo"

These 2 stretch goals have now been achieved:

Stretch Goal 18: £22,000 : Red Army: Infantry in snow camo. 2 packs of 4 different poses in snow camouflage.

Stretch Goal 19: £24,000 : Finnish and Red Army: Head conversions and Casualty markers.8 Head variants for both armies to vary your armies. Also a pack of 4 dead casualties for casualty markers (unlike medic pack previously).

Next up:

Stretch Goal 20: £26,000 : Finnish and Red Army: Artillery observers and Summer uniform crews.

Amazing stuff.

I really prefer these small to medium sized crowdfunding projects to the big ones like CMoR (I don't hate those, but the feeling is just different).

Updating the OP (sorry I forgot about this one over the weekend)

I am pretty interested in getting some of those soviets to use as winterguard. Are there any pictures available? I know they wouldn't be tournament legal but it would be fun for casual play.

Stretch Goal 20: £26,000 - UNLOCKED!

Finnish and Red Army: Artillery observers and Summer uniform crews. Crews for the previously unlocked support weapons and artillery in summer uniforms.

Just £432 away from unlocking stretch goal #21, the Field Kitchen.

Was working out that if all the presently listed stretch goals (24) are unlocked then the Soviet Platoon pledge will receive £272 worth of figures and equipment and the Finnish Platoon pledge returns £285 of figures and equipment. Not bad for just a £60 pledge!

Still over 10 days to go.

C'mon, daddy needs a new AA truck and tanks! Actually, I'm seriously considering the 120GBP pledge, depending on how finances look in the next couple days.

Field Kitchen, stretch #21, is unlocked.

Now on to stretch #22, the T-26 tank with twin MG turrets at £34,000.

Looks like this kickstarter is starting to cook! (OK, a very bad pun, but I just wanted to say it. )

The T-26 has arrived

Stretch Goal 22: £34,000

Red Army: Twin MG turret T-26. Variant of the T-26 with twin MGs.

So that is now 2 Tanks, the T-26 (stretch #12) and the T-26 Twin MG Turret variant (stretch #22), and now only £1,057 away from the AA Truck / Troop Transporter Truck.

With just under 5 days to go looks like this has been a great success for Baker Company and all the backers, including me!

A brilliantly run kickstarter by Gav, well done mate.


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The AA Truck (stretch #23) has rolled in, now chasing the Aerosan at £40,000.

Things are picking up nicely now, oh and still over 116 hours left!

Just 85 hours left and knocking on the door of unlocking the Aerosan, just £492 to go.

To many who watch kickstarters this might not be the biggest (2 fantasy ones this week have scored hugely financiallyin their opening day) but for historic wargamers this has been a real treat. Not only has Gav worked continuously to improve the kickstarter he has also listened to all opinions of backers and acted where appropriate by changing equipment choices. Also where feasible allowed people to change part of the make-up of their pledge level rewards.

Reckon this could get pretty interesting in the last remaining hours left.


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The Aerosani has been unlocked at £40,000.

Still 76 hours to go.

Looking forward to November.