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I think it's mean. Even a £40 voucher wouldn't really cost them anything... would make people happy and give more of a community feel, less of a feeling they're asking customers to do their work for them.

I have no idea why they are charging people to enter a competition. That just seems odd.

There is no charge...

My bad, I miss-read some gw bashing on the page before.

 d-usa wrote:
There is no charge...

So the model's free is it?

 Grimtuff wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
There is no charge...

So the model's free is it?

Lol. Don't even pretend that GW asking people to send in pictures of their painted model is the same as GW charging people. GW stores are always showcasing regular customers' models.

If that is what you guys consider "charging people to enter their competition" then it is truly the dumbest thing I have heard today. And that includes the government shutdown talk...

that's an expensive kit.

grimtuff is right, that's a BS conest.

I noticed many people are trashing the hydra and hydra paintjob so rather than getting their team to paint a new one, theyre getting people to work for free and hoping to move extra hydra kits in the process.

There's some frankly weird way of thinking to get some GW bashing in on this thread.

Do you think you can do a better paint job on your hydra than the official GW painting team?

Send them a pic of it and they'll host it on the website if they like it enough.

I don't see what the fuss is about?

 Scrub wrote:
There's some frankly weird way of thinking to get some GW bashing in on this thread.

Do you think you can do a better paint job on your hydra than the official GW painting team?

Send them a pic of it and they'll host it on the website if they like it enough.

I don't see what the fuss is about?

People think that GW can no longer be bothered taking pictures of models that they already own and have painted, and are instead going to mooch off the general public. Because GW. This is great news!

I don't see how this is worse than any other miniature competition. Would you all feel better if GW sends a $1 ribbon with #1 written on it in gold letters? All painting contests are in essence spec.

And Grimtuff, I wouldn't crow PP's contest as being all that great. There is a little clause in there that I see as being far more sinister than GW's no reward contest.

"Please be aware that your material may not be accepted and that your submission does not prevent Privateer Press from publishing similar material even if your submission is rejected."

That is far more a, we can take you ideas and make them our own for free, than what people are claiming GW is trying to do.

The Fuss is that no matter what GW decides to do people on the internet are going to bitch and moan about it. If GW slashed prices by 50% tommorow some asshat would be on here complaining it wasn't 51% It's the nature of the beast, basically, ignore it and hobby on cause everything not hobby related on this website has pretty much become feth worthless.

 silent25 wrote:
I don't see how this is worse than any other miniature competition. Would you all feel better if GW sends a $1 ribbon with #1 written on it in gold letters? All painting contests are in essence spec.

And Grimtuff, I wouldn't crow PP's contest as being all that great. There is a little clause in there that I see as being far more sinister than GW's no reward contest.

"Please be aware that your material may not be accepted and that your submission does not prevent Privateer Press from publishing similar material even if your submission is rejected."

That is far more a, we can take you ideas and make them our own for free, than what people are claiming GW is trying to do.

Um, yes. I acknowledged that PP's one was also spec to a certain extent. It's right there in the post. I used them as a comparison as they actually offer a cash prize unlike GW.

 fynn wrote:
also, once GW use that pic, you can no longer use it yourself, which means if you offer a painting service, you cant use that pic on your own website, as GW will now own that picture of your model

Sure?


6. By submitting an entry, you retain ownership of the rights in your photograph, but give GW the right to use (and adapt as required) your photograph for the purposes of this competition.

Orktavius wrote:
The Fuss is that no matter what GW decides to do people on the internet are going to bitch and moan about it. If GW slashed prices by 50% tommorow some asshat would be on here complaining it wasn't 51% It's the nature of the beast, basically, ignore it and hobby on cause everything not hobby related on this website has pretty much become feth worthless.

Exactly what I thought. People are suggesting a prize, but what would happen then "OMG! How mean of GW! The prize is only X! It should be Y!" or "They are trying to bribe people in to buying the model with a hope of getting the money back!".

I mean, people are just making up reasons to be angry now. Someone is going to submit a model and be chuffed that they were chosen. Why so upset about it?

 Grimtuff wrote:
So the model's free is it?

Again, everyone who enters this contest is either buying the model anyway or going to sell it for their standard commission prices (or more) once they enter it. The only cost to enter is the time required to take a picture.

 Grimtuff wrote:


Um, yes. I acknowledged that PP's one was also spec to a certain extent. It's right there in the post. I used them as a comparison as they actually offer a cash prize unlike GW.

Except that isn't "slightly" spec, that is full on. They have the rights to your ideas and images and all you might get is a $50 coupon. It comes across as mining fandom for concepts and ideas for pennies. The most GW is doing is trying to get a good paint job for free. Something fans have been doing for years with Golden Demons and other previous painting contests.

If you don't want to enter, don't. They dont care, there are hundreds of people who think that having their model on gw.com is a great bragging right. Anyone who says they're using the picture to sell the model and therefore you shouldnt enter is an idiot. Why would you not want people to buy more gw models? Do you not like gw? Why are you on this forum? Whats your problem with people who like gw?

ITT: Haters gona hate.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
So the model's free is it?

Again, everyone who enters this contest is either buying the model anyway or going to sell it for their standard commission prices (or more) once they enter it. The only cost to enter is the time required to take a picture.

What if you wanted to enter just because you wanted to get on the website, but didn't actually have any plans for the model beforehand?

how would you enter any painting contest without buying a mini to paint for the contest???
some contests ARE themed around specific minis...
happens all the time...

Golden Demon, while giving you the freedom to choose which mini you paint, does not have cash prizes either, and it costs as much as a Hydra to get in the door...
nothing new here, aside from the chance for your mini to be in the webstore right next to the Studio's work, which i think is pretty cool...

i will be waiting until they choose a mini i actually want to paint, but i don't have any problem with this new idea...

cheers
jah

 Steve steveson wrote:
Having your work in a national magazine.

Why do people submit writing or photos to magazines? People submit work to magazines all the time. They like to see there work in a national publication. It's not exactly something new. The BBC ask for photos every week on a theme for there website with no prize and people do it.

If I was any good at painting I would be tempted to try it and would be proud if my work was chosen.

I submit writing to magazines all the time, but if they want to use my writing, they pay me for it. Its not really just to see my work in a magazine. That novelty wears off quickly.

I actuly think it's fairly positive for GW and custermers to do

 Tappers wrote:
What if you wanted to enter just because you wanted to get on the website, but didn't actually have any plans for the model beforehand?

That's just wishful thinking. Sorry, but this is going to be won by a professional painter. If you don't have the talent to sell your contest model for well over retail price on ebay then you aren't going to win. And if you're buying a model just for the chance to win then you're wasting your money.

Remember when you used to get prizes in GW painting competitions...

 MetalOxide wrote:
Remember when you used to get prizes in GW painting competitions...

Pepperidge Farm remembers....

 silent25 wrote:
Except that isn't "slightly" spec, that is full on. They have the rights to your ideas and images and all you might get is a $50 coupon. It comes across as mining fandom for concepts and ideas for pennies. ...

That's certainly one way to interpret it.

What I got from reading that clause was that PP are saying that just because you painted your entry yellow, that doesn't stop PP from releasing a picture of the same model painted a similar colour. Not that they are specifically looking to pillage other people's ideas, but just that they don't want to allow the submission of ideas to get in the way of their own design process.

It's exactly the same reasoning that prompts many companies (including GW, based on some previous statements from the studio) and authors don't read unsolicited ideas that are sent to them, for fear that the submitter might then later claim that anything similar that winds up in print is based on their idea and they should be paid for it.

There are many, many reasons to criticise GW in the current climate! high prices, poor concepts, sloppy ruleset so with no apparent desire to correct or improve....

This? This isn't one of them.

We Brits have an expression "to get one's arse in one's hand" which is to object to something purely to get offended by it.

This is a perfect example.

So, I can submit a photo of a new model GW just produced and maybe get it shown on the web page. In exchange, I have to give them the right to use the photograph. Those goddamned child abducting monster terrorists!

 Peregrine wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
So the model's free is it?

Again, everyone who enters this contest is either buying the model anyway or going to sell it for their standard commission prices (or more) once they enter it. The only cost to enter is the time required to take a picture.

It's no use, Peregrine. Some people just want nothing more than to be allowed to roll in their own hatred. I mean, GW is a pretty scummy company at times, but getting mad that you need to buy a model before you paint it is just a desperate attempt at finding something to kvetch about.

~Tim?

Y'know, while I enjoy hyperbole as much as the next 15 million people, it kind of seems in this thread like the people arguing that this isn't worth complaining about are making a far bigger fuss then those who aren't thrilled about the contest.

The worst that has actually been said so far is that it's a little lame for there to not be an actual prize beyond having your photo on the website.

Nobody is hating on it, or making a big deal about it.

I can remember a time when I might have been taken enough with the idea of having a picture of my model on the GW website to try putting an entry together. But I can also see the point from the other side... for a company the size of GW, not offering an actual prize, even if it's just a discount off next month's contest model are some such thing, does seem a little lame.

Hell, even their little in-store 'paint the latest release'-contests used to offer actual prizes. I got my Last Chancers for painting up a penal legion conversion for a GW store contest way back when.