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Who did the sculpting, you? I applaud the effort but the quality lacks and some of the miniatures look out of place, Fantasy figures in an SF game? The battle ship britain looks too much like a battlefleet ghotic imperial cruiser and the sweden one has sky crapers on top of them? Give some more explenation on the factions, if you have certain countries in the game their design styles need to be in line with their culture.

Given that that the minis have no connection to each other, are in three different scales and the past kickstarter game is completely different to this one. It seems to me like you just sculpted a bunch of random minis and then tacked on a game to incorporate them all as an afterthought.

I agree with others when they say it all seems unfocussed.

+1, to every thing said about the models and painting, just no where near the level needed. But, the real question. Have you playtested the rules with a outside play group. Did the need help figuring the rules out, did they have fun, did you fix the issue they found. Basiclly have more then just your friends played and are willing to by it. Any one can up with a idea, it the fine tuning that makes or kills a game.

 plastictrees wrote:
That doesn't seem to have actually happened...as these are all exactly the same models. Which it seems they will be hand casting with "Smooth-On rubber liquid and cast with Liquid 300 resin." So...yeah.
Also...the grass mat as part of the $9,000 stretch....

Oh wait...China is now New Orc City! Dynamic world growth!

To be fair a couple of garage companies use Smooth-On Resin, Paulson Games swears by the stuff, On the Lamb Games uses it, and few other places that escape me. Smooth-On was at AdeptiCon, and gave out samples of their resin as their business cards (pretty nifty idea). But then again, I don't think that those companies are using this type of Smooth-On resin.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
That doesn't seem to have actually happened...as these are all exactly the same models. Which it seems they will be hand casting with "Smooth-On rubber liquid and cast with Liquid 300 resin." So...yeah.
Also...the grass mat as part of the $9,000 stretch....

Oh wait...China is now New Orc City! Dynamic world growth!

To be fair a couple of garage companies use Smooth-On Resin, Paulson Games swears by the stuff, On the Lamb Games uses it, and few other places that escape me. Smooth-On was at AdeptiCon, and gave out samples of their resin as their business cards (pretty nifty idea). But then again, I don't think that those companies are using this type of Smooth-On resin.

Right, I was pointing it out as another element of uncertainty here. Do they know how hard it is to cast models....especially the models they have...produced?

You know if it turned out this was a bunch of middle school kids trying to start a miniature business I would probably pledge to it. As it stands this is pretty bad...lol

And people gave me crap about my tervigon kit...sheesh!

Wow, Escape from Orc City actually looked more coherent and interesting...

Good advice a plenty has already been given, but I'll add a new slant on things.

Marketing - so many KS fail because they keep everything tight lipped until the KS launches and that nearly always fails things or hinders them. You have to market before launching the KS. Months before the KS begins you want to already have a website with models or at least concept sketches on display. You want to be contacting forums like Dakka and getting feedback on the models and game as well as advertising the company and range in the various blogs and news websites for gaming around the net.

That way you can get all the critical evaluation and assessment of the models and the range done early on. You've a chance to react to the changes and suggestions made as well as to rethink (if needed) certain core aspects all before you have your finding drive.

When it gets around to the KS you want a bunch of people really hyped up and ready to pledge on the launch day. A solid product, solid design and solid feedback and communication can help build that. If you start when the KS starts then chances are the word will get out and the marketing really pull together only in the very last days - which is way too late! (ideally most KS need to find very early in their KS so that more people are encouraged to come in to a viable project; a KS that hasn't funded by half way or is only just scraping through is unlikely to get many more backers - and for a miniature one where often there are many more models not shown in the launch its critical to beat the KS funding target; not just meet it.).



The models need work; honestly looking at them I'd say drop the organics and focus on doing a mechanical army in a single scale or a space fleet. The style and standard of the mechanical models looks to be a bit better than the living and the slightly oversized/quirky aspect can work a lot easier in that area.
But the overall design shows that you really need to go back to the drawing board and get a coherent game structure setup. Something that has a story and background to it that is solid and decently structured, not just thrown together influences from various other franchises (which can be a risk in itself to take as a company - copyright is a matter you'll want to read up on!).

For photos I'd also strongly suggest showing models without any paint as well as with paint. Sometimes a model that is just undercoated can show details and quality that people want to see before they look at what a good paint job does to the models as well.

In the end we can't force you; we can only say what we feel and hope that you take things on board. You don't necessarily need 3D rotation images, but you do need a solid paint job and a more structured setup. I'd also strongly second moving away from having 3 quirky scales all mashed together and just sticking with a single scale. It looks better on the tabletop (yes you can get away with it in computer games, but that's a different market).


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 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Wow, Escape from Orc City actually looked more coherent and interesting...

I'll second that - and the quirky scale actually seems to work with it as well.

The sculpting is bad and the painting is worse.
I wouldn't touch this one with a bargepole.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
That doesn't seem to have actually happened...as these are all exactly the same models. Which it seems they will be hand casting with "Smooth-On rubber liquid and cast with Liquid 300 resin." So...yeah.
Also...the grass mat as part of the $9,000 stretch....

Oh wait...China is now New Orc City! Dynamic world growth!

To be fair a couple of garage companies use Smooth-On Resin, Paulson Games swears by the stuff, On the Lamb Games uses it, and few other places that escape me. Smooth-On was at AdeptiCon, and gave out samples of their resin as their business cards (pretty nifty idea). But then again, I don't think that those companies are using this type of Smooth-On resin.

To be fair, we use a different type of Smooth-On. I personally do not like the results with 300, it cures too quickly and leads to the cast being brittle/bubbly.

This actually looks like it could be an interesting idea, with a lot of revision. Mainly, center on a theme and start working towards that instead of idea-hopping without really improving things.

The three scale thing looks like how I'd expect a 'multi-board' board game to work. Not sure if there's a term for this, but kind of like how the Battlestar Galactica board game has characters moving around the ship and at the same time has tokens representing the cylon attacks. Basically, a game where the player must divide their focus and resources between multiple unrelated fronts.

Use the 28mm for some sort of 'action-adventure' mini-game. Think the GW games like Talisman where every character is somewhat unique. The charcaters are running through a map full of weird stuff to get the macguffin that could allow them to win the war or something. Another option would be to cast these as leaders/diplomats, and have a sort of mini-game about political maneuvering where they're moved around a chart of positions by some mechanic.

At the 6mm scale is the larger war. You could possibly make do with 2-3 sculpts for this by using relatively simple mechanics. Either do a Risk style strength system. (An infantry marker is worth 1, a tank 5) or some sort of rock-paper-scissors (Aircraft have an easier time hitting armor, armor has an easier time against infantry, infantry vs. aircraft) to make combat quick and easy. use a 'zone' map (like Risk and a lot of other games) to keep combat easy and remove the need to measure.

The ship tokens could be transports, or could represent something else.If nothing else, these could be sort of like the Twilight Imperium 3rd edition's role cards: Players take turns placing their token to decide if they're focusing on moving troops (to get reinforcements), recon (assists the 28mm board), orbital bombardment, or various other tasks.

The idea is that players would have to decide where to concentrate each turn by way of limited resources of some kind. They can either focus on a 'conventional' victory by trying to win at the Risk-like board, or by a legal victory by claiming the macguffin or similar.

But, yeah, no real idea of actual game behind this as-is. I think for these ideas I'd want to see a much more refined concept.

Not ready for prime time yet.

Take the advice in this thread and it will help.

Stupid question, but when rolling 2d6...how do I actually get a 1? Never mind the fact that half the abilities don't seem to line up with the rollable numbers to begin with. Either it's not a table and poorly labeled or it's a basic math fail and the problem is that neither inspires confidence which is the number one thing you need when asking people to believe in something.

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
That doesn't seem to have actually happened...as these are all exactly the same models. Which it seems they will be hand casting with "Smooth-On rubber liquid and cast with Liquid 300 resin." So...yeah.
Also...the grass mat as part of the $9,000 stretch....

Oh wait...China is now New Orc City! Dynamic world growth!

To be fair a couple of garage companies use Smooth-On Resin, Paulson Games swears by the stuff, On the Lamb Games uses it, and few other places that escape me. Smooth-On was at AdeptiCon, and gave out samples of their resin as their business cards (pretty nifty idea). But then again, I don't think that those companies are using this type of Smooth-On resin.

To be fair, we use a different type of Smooth-On. I personally do not like the results with 300, it cures too quickly and leads to the cast being brittle/bubbly.

Slightly OT - but what type of Smooth-On do you use?

Wehrkind can probably tell you that too, Target, as he was the original caster for the OTL crew and taught them his methods. He's also local to the DC area if you need casting done or need more tips- I've used him a number of times

Link to his user profile: Wehrkind

 RiTides wrote:
Wehrkind can probably tell you that too, Target, as he was the original caster for the OTL crew and taught them his methods. He's also local to the DC area if you need casting done or need more tips- I've used him a number of times

Link to his user profile: Wehrkind

Crazy small world, I actually am pretty sure I know Wehrkind from back in the day when I gamed with him in PA, I had no idea he was involved with OTL or had moved to the DC area like myself!

He has indeed, and yes it's Wehrkind formerly of PA! He taught OTL his methods so no longer casts for them, but he's still casting stuff himself

/threadjack

Target wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
That doesn't seem to have actually happened...as these are all exactly the same models. Which it seems they will be hand casting with "Smooth-On rubber liquid and cast with Liquid 300 resin." So...yeah.
Also...the grass mat as part of the $9,000 stretch....

Oh wait...China is now New Orc City! Dynamic world growth!

To be fair a couple of garage companies use Smooth-On Resin, Paulson Games swears by the stuff, On the Lamb Games uses it, and few other places that escape me. Smooth-On was at AdeptiCon, and gave out samples of their resin as their business cards (pretty nifty idea). But then again, I don't think that those companies are using this type of Smooth-On resin.

To be fair, we use a different type of Smooth-On. I personally do not like the results with 300, it cures too quickly and leads to the cast being brittle/bubbly.

Slightly OT - but what type of Smooth-On do you use?

Smooth-Cast 322, it has a long cure time which gives the pressure more time to work out bubbles. It also has a 20 minute pot life, so we are able to do a lot more casts at once. When we tried the 300 material we ended up having it fully cure mid-pour... Which while amusing to look at, was a waste of time/money.