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Wraithguard.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
A cronair list with Doom Scythes and Stormteks seems good.

But I'm not sure what you put on the table to ensure you don't get tabled. You need three units spread out massively. Two to be killed by the superwhatsit and one to not be killed by everything else in the army...?

Canoptek scarabs. They are really easy to hide.

No. Scarabs will not work since they lower the AV and this will be permanent effect. Such effects (in opposition to lances) do not affect Gargantum creatures.

He was refering to a cheap unit easy to hide so you don't get tabled turn 1. Scarabs is great for this.

Shingen wrote:
Wraithguard.

Depends. You need to get close to the super heavy with a rather slow unit and one unit of five will not suffice.

Here's my idea for a Deathmark based anti-GMC force:

Overlord + 3 crypteks
Overlord + 3 crypteks
10 Deathmarks + Night Scythe
10 Deathmarks + Night Scythe
10 Deathmarks + Night Scythe
Total = 1200pts

Disembark within 12” and shoot 60 rending shots and 24 AP3 shots at BS4, wounding on a roll of 2+ for an average grand total of 11.1111 unsaved, pain inducing wounds in a single shooting phase (not counting the Night Scythes' Tesla Destructors, whom I assume the player would aim elsewhere).

They'd also mark 2 more units to be hunted down in later turns by any deathmark to survive the enemy's reprisal.

Cutting one of the Deathmark squads and two of the crypteks still leaves the average shooting phase at 7.654 wounds, which is still enough to take down the C'tan and reduces the point cost to 860. Could fit a Triarch Stalker in the vacated Elite slot to try and grant the Deathmarks TL, assuming it manages to survive long enough for them to arrive.

Surprised nobody mentioned deep striking crisis suits.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
A cronair list with Doom Scythes and Stormteks seems good.

But I'm not sure what you put on the table to ensure you don't get tabled. You need three units spread out massively. Two to be killed by the superwhatsit and one to not be killed by everything else in the army...?

Canoptek scarabs. They are really easy to hide.

No. Scarabs will not work since they lower the AV and this will be permanent effect. Such effects (in opposition to lances) do not affect Gargantum creatures.

I was refering to how to survive while your flying croissants are in reserves. That's the job of a unit of 3 scarabs....so that you don't get tabled before your reserves come in.

 Gitsmasher wrote:
Surprised nobody mentioned deep striking crisis suits.

Hey, I did!

Speaking as a representative of the lesser-used CSM codex, we have:

Be'lakor (Mind Controlled Titans, anyone?)

Predator Annihilators (If you've got first turn, this can help.)

FMC's (Ours, and allied Daemons)

Suicide Termies with combi-melta

Grav guns for the GMCs, though they aren't much use against anything else.

Necron Silver-Tide list has been proven to be effective... at least for me. Just bring 120 Warriors with 120 Gauss to the table and there is no way you can't glance something to death.

Throw in Araker (bad spelling I think) The Traveler for additional cheese. Once I saw him walk out of a DS Monolith to toy around with a Baneblade.

three of theses: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/S/Sicaran_V.pdf

 jy2 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

Kholzerino wrote:
A cronair list with Doom Scythes and Stormteks seems good.

But I'm not sure what you put on the table to ensure you don't get tabled. You need three units spread out massively. Two to be killed by the superwhatsit and one to not be killed by everything else in the army...?

Canoptek scarabs. They are really easy to hide.

No. Scarabs will not work since they lower the AV and this will be permanent effect. Such effects (in opposition to lances) do not affect Gargantum creatures.

I was refering to how to survive while your flying croissants are in reserves. That's the job of a unit of 3 scarabs....so that you don't get tabled before your reserves come in.

Sorry for missing this point.

DE shouldn't have anything to worry about with Superheavies. They already die in droves to everything else that looks at them wrong, superheavies are no different in that respect except now the DE can really outnumber a superheavy playing opponent.
Blasters and blaster pistols in troop squads that DS in on raiders.
Blasterborn doing the same thing
Dark Lances out the wazoo
Scourges with haywire
Ravagers with dark lances
Three Reapers on deathray mode

I have recently played a list designed to take on SHs. It has the firepower to cripple them early on. That is obviously key as one unit cannot do it.

1850 - Escalation Ready Eldar

Farseer, Jetbike, Mantle of the Laughing God, Singing Spear, Spirit Stones of Anath,Lan, Runes of Witnessing 190

3 Windrider Jetbike 51
3x 5 Dire Avengers, Wave Serpent, TL Scatterlaser 555

3x 3 Hornets, 2 Pulse Lasers 630

2x 3 War Walkers, Scatterlaser, Brightlance 420

Pulse lasers, and bright lamces are the key of course. So on turn one - assuming I get first turn.

Wave Serpents - 3D6 + 1 S7 shots - ignore cover.
Wave Serpents - 12 S6 shots
Hornets - 12 S8 AP2 shots
War Walkers - 6 S8 AP2 shots
War Walkers - 24 S6 shots

So that is a lopt of dakka on turn one. My opponent can retaliate with his Revenant or C'Tan or Baneblade or whatever he is using and probably remove two or three units. So first turn will generally decide the game - as is common in escalation. Now the option is always there to keep some units in reserve and outflank them if I am going second and try to hide my units turn one. Hopefully the Seer can add some decent psychic support and to this ens he is certainly a bit over-costed but meh - I think the insurance is handy.

I don't beleve that SHs are insurmountable against am list that is not fielding them. At 2000 I would likely add a fortification and another bike squad. I haven't played it at that level yet.

Corsair Prince+ either FD or WG. With FD it is a bit chancy though you can often guarantee rear armor. However, you can also pull DSing a Webway portal via the Void Dreamer and follow up on consecutive reinforcement phases with just about everything.

Vector Strikes can work wonders against lower AV titans and SHVs. Especially the Heldrake with its S7 VS, those D3+1 auto-hits don't have to get through a holo-field.

 McNinja wrote:
Vector Strikes can work wonders against lower AV titans and SHVs. Especially the Heldrake with its S7 VS, those D3+1 auto-hits don't have to get through a holo-field.

Well that settles it then.

I'm going to have to make a blitzkreig of Heldrakes and FMC's

I was thinking about this the other day.

Imotekh (Now seizes against non-orks on a 3+) and gets to roll on the anti-destroyer table. Maybe stick him in a CCB for protection (so the "D" only pops his ride), or stick him in a unit of warriors on foot. (the Ark's can make more warriors)

2 Stalkers with the melta

2x 10xWarriors in Ghost Arks
1-2x 20xWarriors on Foot?

3x Annihilation Barges.

At 24", those warriors get twin-linked (due to stalkers) shots on the Lord of War that glance on 6's.

Annihilation Barges get a bunch of S7 shots against GMC's... could always take Deathmarks (wound on 2+'s) to deal with those.

I think I'm just gonna take a Vortex Missile Strongpoint, plant it back field and put as much LOS blocking terrain between it and my opponent. D-Weapons have always been the answer to Superheavies