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 XdeadpoolX wrote:
Kids will do what they want.. so little timmy will do what he wants. but they always seek admiration from those they respect... so youve just insulted someone who respects you BIG THUMBS UP!!

So what you're saying is that because "kids will do what they want" everyone should just let them and then compliment them on their bad choices? Wow.

Waethion wrote:

 XdeadpoolX wrote:
Kids will do what they want.. so little timmy will do what he wants. but they always seek admiration from those they respect... so youve just insulted someone who respects you BIG THUMBS UP!!

So what you're saying is that because "kids will do what they want" everyone should just let them and then compliment them on their bad choices? Wow.

How do you call it a bad choice. Your kids are not the same as someone just doing something for fun/ hobby. Nobody said to compliment them. Let them explore there own talents and things they find appealing to them. This in not like making a bad choice. You and the OP are taking it as they should do thing YOUR WAY, it's their way and not your models. Besides who cares ? It's just a hobby. Wow you're just as bad as the OP.

Gets popcorn!!

So anyone want to link some color theory explanations and tutorials they found particularly useful? I have seen a few on here with the search function, including some 3D explanations of the color wheel, but I am still learning this topic. Show me some charts and graphs and practice that constructive criticism, cause that seems to be the focus of the OP.

Dessorag wrote:
Show me some charts and graphs and practice that constructive criticism, cause that seems to be the focus of the OP.

http://www.colormatters.com/color-and-design/basic-color-theory

That's the problem with something that is so subjective. You could go on and on about the Renaissance masters and their use of analogous, complementary and split comp colors and how it should be applied to our little plastic dudes, but it's all so idiotic. I've been to MFA critiques where one person's "bad color choices" were praised and someone else was torn to shreds for a similar approach. It just depends on your ability, the amount of diligence you have for painting, and how much fun you have doing it. It's not a job.

I stand by my original statement. Encourage people who aren't "capital A Artists" just paint SOMETHING so it's not bare plastic or metal, and encourage them to grow and develop their skills as time or effort permits.


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OP: from the link we can see that a warmer green and a warmer violet will complement each other.

Waethion wrote:

 XdeadpoolX wrote:
Kids will do what they want.. so little timmy will do what he wants. but they always seek admiration from those they respect... so youve just insulted someone who respects you BIG THUMBS UP!!

So what you're saying is that because "kids will do what they want" everyone should just let them and then compliment them on their bad choices? Wow.

Do you spank children for coloring outside of the lines?

Creativity is learnt not taught. The only thing you can do is help encourage them to continue.

Dessorag wrote:
So anyone want to link some color theory explanations and tutorials they found particularly useful? I have seen a few on here with the search function, including some 3D explanations of the color wheel, but I am still learning this topic. Show me some charts and graphs and practice that constructive criticism, cause that seems to be the focus of the OP.

 Capamaru wrote:
Asking for critique means that you are willing to listen. Color theory is hard to explain to most people but advice like replacing "that color" with "this color" is kinda of easy to follow... If they choose to ignore simple staff like that then there isn't much you can do.

2112 wrote:
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I really have to echo these two posters. You sound like a complete tool ranting about people who actually take the time to paint their models not having a strong enough grasp of color theory to please you. You can say what you want about only trying to politely provide feedback to your friends who ask for it, but your description of "timmy" (even if given a joking twist) and saying it was so much worse when you worked for GW paints a very accurate picture on what's actually going on here and how you feel. People who don't use color theory to paint their models are not even remotely a problem, let alone something which has to be 'handled'. I'd rather see puke-brown and flaming pink dark Eldar than bare plastic, and you should appreciate people who put in the effort and time to paint no matter their skill or choices.

Some colors look far more appealing when next to each other than other combinations. That said, it depends on what you're going for. Some "ugly" combinations look great when painted the right way or when trying to convey a certain "feel" to the piece.

What I would avoid is too many colors on one model. That's a mistake I see often. I saw an SOB army on E-bay that had bright yellow hair, pink armor with blue highlights and green weapons and banners. It was objectively horrible.
A good rule of thumb (and all rules can be broken, btw) is to stick with one or two main colors and one highlight color, such as armor trimming, guns or decorations.

I also saw a brown and orange Space Marine army that was amazing. Sure, it was "ugly," but as it was painted and the tone it evoked it was very well done.

And my other rule of painting: Please don't paint so thick. I hate seeing models on E-bay that looked like they were dipped in the pot. Thin is good.

There are many tutorials on Youtube that offer quite simple and easy to follow techniques for painting your minis to an acceptable level.

Here's a fun color scheme generator to see what looks good or not.
http://colorschemedesigner.com/

For all the gak I'm getting about being an awful person, I'm thankful for the folks who are posting up more useful stuff, which I appreciate.

I'll say again that I wasn't trying to be a jerk, it was just me injecting my own (apparently offcolor) humor to things. Personally, I don't give people crap about their paint jobs, I'm glad they paint, I'm glad they play, I'm glad they take the time to be part of the hobbies that we all love.

Take some deep breaths people, those of you saying not to give people grief for their paint schemes I agree with you. I just came off as 'mightier than thou' and all that. I'm not, my painting is mediocre at best. But I did apologize for my wording, and as such, didn't just delete my post and hide in the sand... ya'll are right about the wording being not cool, and I let it stand because... hey, that's fine, I'm not gonna edit to be PC.

Also, that Color Scheme Generator is awesome and I'm bookmarking it forever.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
For all the gak I'm getting about being an awful person, I'm thankful for the folks who are posting up more useful stuff, which I appreciate.

I'll say again that I wasn't trying to be a jerk, it was just me injecting my own (apparently offcolor) humor to things. Personally, I don't give people crap about their paint jobs, I'm glad they paint, I'm glad they play, I'm glad they take the time to be part of the hobbies that we all love.

Take some deep breaths people, those of you saying not to give people grief for their paint schemes I agree with you. I just came off as 'mightier than thou' and all that. I'm not, my painting is mediocre at best. But I did apologize for my wording, and as such, didn't just delete my post and hide in the sand... ya'll are right about the wording being not cool, and I let it stand because... hey, that's fine, I'm not gonna edit to be PC.

Also, that Color Scheme Generator is awesome and I'm bookmarking it forever.

You say you don't give a crap yet your Original post says otherwise.

 Sammoth wrote:

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
For all the gak I'm getting about being an awful person, I'm thankful for the folks who are posting up more useful stuff, which I appreciate.

I'll say again that I wasn't trying to be a jerk, it was just me injecting my own (apparently offcolor) humor to things. Personally, I don't give people crap about their paint jobs, I'm glad they paint, I'm glad they play, I'm glad they take the time to be part of the hobbies that we all love.

Take some deep breaths people, those of you saying not to give people grief for their paint schemes I agree with you. I just came off as 'mightier than thou' and all that. I'm not, my painting is mediocre at best. But I did apologize for my wording, and as such, didn't just delete my post and hide in the sand... ya'll are right about the wording being not cool, and I let it stand because... hey, that's fine, I'm not gonna edit to be PC.

Also, that Color Scheme Generator is awesome and I'm bookmarking it forever.

You say you don't give a crap yet your Original post says otherwise.

You're right. It is impossible for someone to change their mind. How silly of me. I shall go ahead and ignore everything and be ignorant to other people's opinions like you want me to. Carry on.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:

 Sammoth wrote:

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
For all the gak I'm getting about being an awful person, I'm thankful for the folks who are posting up more useful stuff, which I appreciate.

I'll say again that I wasn't trying to be a jerk, it was just me injecting my own (apparently offcolor) humor to things. Personally, I don't give people crap about their paint jobs, I'm glad they paint, I'm glad they play, I'm glad they take the time to be part of the hobbies that we all love.

Take some deep breaths people, those of you saying not to give people grief for their paint schemes I agree with you. I just came off as 'mightier than thou' and all that. I'm not, my painting is mediocre at best. But I did apologize for my wording, and as such, didn't just delete my post and hide in the sand... ya'll are right about the wording being not cool, and I let it stand because... hey, that's fine, I'm not gonna edit to be PC.

Also, that Color Scheme Generator is awesome and I'm bookmarking it forever.

You say you don't give a crap yet your Original post says otherwise.

You're right. It is impossible for someone to change their mind. How silly of me. I shall go ahead and ignore everything and be ignorant to other people's opinions like you want me to. Carry on.

Maybe you shouldn't of posted your original post to begin with. You're the one with the problem not me.

Oh do tell.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:


Oh do tell.

I don't have to tell you anything. Others have already told you as I did. Carry On.

I was just interested in hearing what you had to say on the matter.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
I was just interested in hearing what you had to say on the matter.

Already told you in an above post.

You're basically saying I should never have said what I said in the first place, and that it is unacceptable that I could ever change my mind about something.

Holy gak, someone on the internet can change their mind? They can accept that they are wrong?

The entire concept is so alien that when people see it they reject it! And then say, "Well you should have realized you were wrong in the first place!"

Because that... makes sense right?

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
You're basically saying I should never have said what I said in the first place, and that it is unacceptable that I could ever change my mind about something.

Holy gak, someone on the internet can change their mind? They can accept that they are wrong?

The entire concept is so alien that when people see it they reject it! And then say, "Well you should have realized you were wrong in the first place!"

Because that... makes sense right?

First off you're coming off as an and that's the truth. Your complaint is about them not using correct colors the way you see fit. It's a hobby and you're missing the point. It's about enjoying it. Who the cares what or how they paint them ? It's not affecting you "oh wait it is or we wouldn't be talking about it". It's a subjective subject and useless argument. If the paint jobs bother you so much then don't give the advice. Simple... They may or may not listen to you or your opinions. We live in a world of free choices when it comes to expressing our artistic values. Just because one person doesn't like the style /concept /color palette etc. doesn't mean it's not art to the creator.

It's a hobby not a competition/ job. I am just happy that people paint. If they learn from CC then so be it. If they don't then then so be it.

Waethion wrote:

 XdeadpoolX wrote:
Kids will do what they want.. so little timmy will do what he wants. but they always seek admiration from those they respect... so youve just insulted someone who respects you BIG THUMBS UP!!

So what you're saying is that because "kids will do what they want" everyone should just let them and then compliment them on their bad choices? Wow.

Painting their 40K army like a bunch of Ronald McDonalds is not a bad decision. It may show poor taste, but as decisions go it's only annoying. A BAD decision is something like choosing to do crack or shoot up the school.

There are worse things than having bad taste in color combinations. MUCH worse. Remember that.

There's also more to an army's paint scheme than just making them look pretty. Like making sure you walk away from a game with all of your models, or when some assclown steals your models, and they conduct a search of everyone who leaves the store, they're going to find out pretty damn quick who nabbed it. There is always the technical challenge of picking bad colors, but then coming up with hues or ways that work together. There's bad colors and bad execution. I've seen bad colors executed really well. I've seen good colors executed poorly. A good paint job with bad colors will get a pass or thumbs up from me, but a bad paint job with "good colors"... I remember a bloke who could represent "extra armor" and "heavy flak armor" (or whatever the IG rule used to be for extra +1 armor save) by the mere fact that that the paint was on so damnably thick, and applied not with poor brush control, but just plain outright sloppy did not care at all brush control.

And I mean, really.... honestly... it's bloody flipping warhammer 40k. It's the future. It's a fantastical, magickal space future, where armor that weighs two tonnes somehow manages to generate enough power to run a factory without relying on a fission or fusion plant inside it's power unit, where space marines' special ultra-sensitive ear makes them less prone to motion sickness as opposed to making them waaaaaaaaaay more sensitive to motion sickness, eating your pray lets you have their memories, and the most common melee weapon happens to be something that would realistically jam inside of the first 12 seconds of operational use, and would be so unwieldy you'd be more likely to wound yourself than your opponent. If you're going to start picking about the people's paint jobs, you need to remember this: you are a grown person playing with dolls.

Some people just plain hate painting, and don't care about the bad color, others approach bad colors intentionally as a tactical decision to distract you. In both cases their goal is on the game. Can you blame someone for enjoying another part more than that?
This isn't a bad topic, but it's certainly a bad presentation of the topic.

 poda_t wrote:
This isn't a bad topic, but it's certainly a bad presentation of the topic.

Yes, I would have been more interested in a thread about color theory than a thread about bitching about lack of colour theory.

I'm really interested in how shades and tones fit in to the idea of complimentary colours in colour theory, because obviously non-complimentary hues can work quite well together if you pick the right shades and tones.

I'd also be interested in a better understanding of how browns and bones fit in with colour theory, as they aren't nearly as obvious as primary and secondary colours. For example: If I'm painting my Temple Guard, how should the bone colours be chosen so they fit in well with the skin/scale tones?

Most armies make heavy use of colours that aren't primary or secondary hues and/or are either shades or tones rather than the pure hues.

Thanks to the folks who have posted links to color theory info, I'm trying to learn more about it too. And...

And my other rule of painting: Please don't paint so thick. I hate seeing models on E-bay that looked like they were dipped in the pot. Thin is good.

This is probably the best piece of advice you can give a new painter, in my opinion. Not only does thinning paints make the model look better, i think it makes painting easier and more rewarding.

I believe the reason people love Devlan Mud so much is because if you just slop it over the model, you are essentially creating shades that all have the same base so are well matched. Before you throw the wash down, you might have mismatched tones and shades, but once you throw the wash on, it ties them together.

Does that sound correct?

Some of my models I've tried to tie them together by matching the shade and highlight colour, so my Ork Warboss for example:





All the shades are mixed by adding dryad bark (and a hint of black if required) and all highlights are done by adding Rakarth Flesh, except for the skin which was highlighted with a mix of both Rakarth Flesh and Yellow to make it pop out a bit more. Also the base colours weren't pure out of the pot, they were all done by adding a small touch of Dryad Bark and Rakarth Flesh to... I dunno, I guess slightly wash out the colour so it looks a bit more old and faded instead of the bright paint that comes straight from the pot....

that's the funny thing. there's really two colors that technically don't exist:
browns and magenta. Browns because you can't point at a color spectrum and say "THERE IT IS!". You can point at dark orange.... but.... thats dark orange.... Magenta has the problem of being a screw-up in the eyes. Magenta is a product of two colors from the opposite ends of the spectrum. It exists on the wheel, but it most certainly cannot exist in the spectrum of colors.

well that and that brown can be achieved from blending the two colors at opposite ends of the spectrum, red-green, blue-orange, and if memory serves, yellow-purple

In that concept nor is black or white. Black is the absolute absence of color absorbing all color and White is reflects all color.

Color theory is fine and dandy and awesome and should be utilized.

Also, people need to be conscious of societal views on colors. One of the reasons Black Templars seem so ominous and foreboding is partly the stark contrast between black and white, and partly because it taps into the English/American social psyche of what "Black" represents. We see it, we think death.

It's why I tell people the reason yellow Imperial Fist guys with black trim just look so much cleaner and fulfilling than the Imperial Fist guys with red. We're socially conditioned in Western culture to associate red and yellow with food. Go look at literally every restaurant chain logo ever in the United States. McDonalds. Wendy's. Taco Bell. Denny's. Arby's. Hardee's/Carl's Jr. Roberto's Taco Shop. In N Out Burger. I think you get the point. I could literally go on with a hundred more examples. So DON'T DO IT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO EAT YOUR MINIATURES.