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2014/08/05 05:24:27
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT (Game #1 Completed on p.1)
Couldnt you have hypothetically deployed the bastion in the corner in such a way as to BLOS to your Flyrant? I would think with the gargs you'd have been able to pull this off. Seems better to have reserved that flyrant and forced him to just shoot at Gargs.
Without that Tyrant as bait, the Marine player might have instead opted to hold the Sternguard back till next turn and instead drop just Tacticals to deal with the Gargoyles in the first wave.
And then majority of Ob Sec units are in no man's land. And the Sternguard get alpha struck by the Nids who come in bottom of 2.
Bee beep boo baap
2014/08/06 03:33:05
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT (Game #1 Completed on p.1)
SabrX wrote: Congrats scoring a draw against a Calgar Drop Pod army. Drop Pod armies are fierce in this edition!
Thanks! Congrats on your draw against the defending BAO champ as well!
WrentheFaceless wrote: Talk about scraping for a draw, those drop pod lists are brutal now.
Yeah, they are tough to deal with. Probably the only army there that could deal with them easily was Spam Adam's Tau, with 3 riptides and 6 broadsides, all with Interceptor!
buckero0 wrote: I expect SabrX to chime in. I love yor guys' batreps more than even the videos for some reason. Everything always looks so crisp and fun. Almost makes me want to visit Cali just to play some of you.
Just give me a PM if you ever do come to town.
y0disisray wrote: Wow excellent game there! That Space Marine army looks like a lot of fun to play with. The only thing I would add to it is a Dreadnought variant just for variety. Well played Jim!
Yeah, I think drop pod lists can be a blast to play (and a nightmare for certain opponents). I myself have a semi-pod list with only 4 drop pods, but it's been a while since I last took my marines out. I think if you want to run dreads, BA would be the way to go and probably the new Space Wolves as well (haven't seen their new dex yet).
Couldnt you have hypothetically deployed the bastion in the corner in such a way as to BLOS to your Flyrant? I would think with the gargs you'd have been able to pull this off. Seems better to have reserved that flyrant and forced him to just shoot at Gargs.
I suppose I could, but at the time, I didn't think to. The only thing I was thinking was to either reserve all my flyrants or to deploy one as bait.
I was actually rather inexperienced with my list insofar as 7th was concerned. Before the tournament, I've only ran Skyblight once and Tyranids twice ever since 7E came out.
Also, at the time of the game, I forgot that the flyrant could jink even if he was standing still. Thus, I deployed him in ruins for 2+ cover instead.
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Wow, I didn't expect I would face Jy2 so soon. Then again, I didn't expect we would both pull a draw in our first games, which increased the odds of being paired up in game #2.
I've haven't played against the Sky Blight, but I heard it's formidable and one of the most competitive Tyranids builds in this edition. Unfortunately, the biggest weakness to my army happens to be flyers. On top of that, Jy2 has been my practice partner for BAO, so he's familiar with how my list works. There's noway I'm going to win primary with an MSU list. I'll have to focus on secondary and hope my ground forces does enough damage to the Tyranids' ground forces.
Thanks Tim. I will add your comments into my report.
Game #2 vs SabrX's AV13-Spam Sisters of Battle
Imagine our surprise when we were set to face each other in Round #2. Should have put him down as my teammate, but I didn't think that we would play against each other (BAO tried not to pair teammates against each other on Day #1). I have played against SabrX almost every week leading up to the tournament and now I have to play him again. Well, that's bad news for him....
BTW, SabrX is writing about his own experiences at the BAO. You can find his battle reports here:
1. Hold Objective 1.
2. Hold Objective 2.
3. Hold Objective 3.
4. Have more scoring units at least partially within no man's land than your opponent.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's deployment edge.
6. Have 3 of your own and no enemy scoring units at least partially within 12" of your deployment edge.
Tertiary Objectives: First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, 1-pt each
Going into the game, I kind of felt bad for Tim. Well, just a little. Heh, heh.... He is running MSU and he has to face my army in a VP mission. Moreover, I am running a primarily flying army and the main weakness of his army is his anti-air. Finally, I am going 1st. This is going to be a very tough matchup for SabrX.
What he does have going for him is that his list is stronger in Maelstrom than mine. He's got more resilient ObSec units and he's going 2nd. I am almost guaranteed to get the Primary. SabrX is going to have to play for the Secondary and then hope that he gets more Tertiary points than I. And in our practice games together, that was exactly what he did, keeping the games against my Necrons and Mechdar somewhat close because he focused more on the Secondary.
Wish we didn't have to play against each other, but I guess the Power-of-the-Matchup-Generator-Machine-Spirit had other plans.
Sisters of Battle: (by SabrX)
Wow, I didn't expect I would face Jy2 so soon. Then again, I didn't expect we would both pull a draw in our first games, which increased the odds of being paired up in game #2.
I've haven't played against the Sky Blight, but I heard it's formidable and one of the most competitive Tyranids builds in this edition. Unfortunately, the biggest weakness to my army happens to be flyers. On top of that, Jy2 has been my practice partner for BAO, so he's familiar with how my list works. There's noway I'm going to win primary with an MSU list. I'll have to focus on secondary and hope my ground forces does enough damage to the Tyranids' ground forces.
3. Hold Objective 3.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's deployment edge.
Sisters:
3. Hold Objective 3.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's deployment edge.
Flyers take off. I cast Catalyst and then Onslaught one of the flyrants.
Warlord shoots at exorcist side armor to take it out for First Blood.
VP's - Sisters: 0, Tyranids: 1
Gargoyles spread out on my Maelstrom objective. The rest of the army runs.
I believe it is a harpy heavy venom cannon that takes off the main weapon from another exorcist.
Sisters 1
Spoiler:
Sisters go scrambling for cover. The Imperial Knight advances.
He then fires his double-blasts at my gargoyles and only take out 2 due to 2+ shrouded cover saves.
The rest of the Sister's shooting does nothing to my flying bugs.
At the end of the game turn, I have a scoring unit partially in SabrX's deployment zone (my gargoyles). SabrX has a scoring unit partially in my deployment zone (repressor) as well as Objective #3.
Maelstrom VP's - Sisters: 2, Tyranids: 1
Tyranids 2
Spoiler:
Maelstrom Objectives:
Tyranids:
2. Hold Objective 2.
3. Hold Objective 3.
Sisters:
3. Hold Objective 3.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's deployment edge.
Mawloc comes in. Fortunately for my opponent, he scatters.
Gargoyles come in from my board edge.
Flyrants continue to rampage about.
Flyers try to block off the IK from my bastionthrope.
Little guys flap around.
Tyranid shooting wrecks 1 repressor and takes off the gun from another.
VP's - Sisters: 0, Tyranids: 2
Flyrants kill another exorcist.
VP's - Sisters: 0, Tyranids: 3
Sisters 2
Spoiler:
2 units of dominions come in and onto my flank. 1 unit disembarks.
Sisters prepare to deal with the mawloc, the only ground target they could shoot.
Exorcist backs up and tries to draw my flyrants away from his main force.
Knight prepares to assault the gargoyles.
He fires his blast at my new gargoyles, killing 3, and the heavy stubbers at the unit of gargoyles he is about to assault.
Sisters put 2W on the mawloc.
Sisters also clear Objective #2 of my 2 claiming gargoyles (they killed just enough to take both units out of claiming range).
IK then makes the 10" charge and wipes out the gargoyles!
VP's - Sisters: 1, Tyranids: 3
At the end of the turn, SabrX has denied me both of my Maelstrom objectives, while achieving both of his (repressor in my deployment zone and an ObSec unit on Objective #3).
Maelstrom VP's - Sisters: 4, Tyranids: 1
Tyranids 3
Spoiler:
Maelstrom Objectives:
Tyranids:
1. Hold Objective 1.
5. Have a scoring unit at least partially within 12" of opponent's deployment edge.
Sisters:
2. Hold Objective 2.
6. Have 3 of your own and no enemy scoring units at least partially within 12" of your deployment edge.
Gargoyles and biovores get away from his knight, while the brave little zoan offers up himself in sacrifice.
Tyranid movement.
Flyers and mawloc go after the tanks.
I finish off the last exorcist.
VP's - Sisters: 1, Tyranids: 4
I also take out another repressor....
VP's - Sisters: 1, Tyranids: 5
....and then kill 7 girls from 2 squads.
BTW, I forget to fire Warp Blast from the zoanthrope.
Mawloc assaults another repressor....
....and gets another VP.
VP's - Sisters: 1, Tyranids: 6
I've basically taken out all of SabrX's tanks on his flank.
Sisters 3
Spoiler:
Last unit of dominions come in and they go after the bastion which I have abandoned.
Dominions move.
Somehow, the sisters manage to take out my mawloc.
VP's - Sisters: 2, Tyranids: 6
Knight shoots down 5 gargoyles.
However, Sisters fail to take out both my bastion and my zoan.
At the end of the turn, I have a unit in SabrX's deployment zone (flyrant or rippers) and SabrX has Objective #2.
Maelstrom VP's - Sisters: 5, Tyranids: 2
Tyranids 4
Spoiler:
At this point, I concede the Secondary to my opponent so didn't bother to take notes with regards to the Maelstrom objectives.
Game will probably end after this game turn anyways.
Flyrants and hive crone combine to take out the unit of sisters and SabrX's Warlord.
VP's - Sisters: 2, Tyranids: 8
I also kill 1 more sister. There are 2 units of 1 sisters each, which I should be able to take out next turn.
Sisters 4
Spoiler:
On his turn, SabrX finally takes out the zoan, bastion and venomthrope.
VP's - Sisters: 5, Tyranids: 8
The knight shoots down my biovores.
VP's - Sisters: 6, Tyranids: 8
He then assaults and wipes out my gargoyles.
VP's - Sisters: 7, Tyranids: 8
At this point, we both agree to end the game and to just relax. While the game ended up closer than we thought, I would have 2 easy VP's next turn (2 sister squads with 1 sister each) while my opponent would have no easy targets.
I take Primary (4-pts). SabrX takes Secondary (3-pts). We both have Linebreaker (his dominions, my flyrant, gargoyles and rippers). However, I also take First Blood and his Warlord.
Well, the game went exactly as I expected. I was able to take the Primary and my opponent was able to take the Secondary. That's the risk you take when you bring MSU, which is actually really strong in 7th Edition, to a tournament. 1 out of the 6 missions will screw you. Unfortunately, that one mission for my opponent was against my army, which is excellent against MSU-mech (other than Necron AV13-spam or Land Raider-spam). One of the reasons why my army is so good against these armies (especially in VP missions) is because my flyers have the mobility to easily get within side arc of my opponent's tanks. Also, electroshock grubs on flyrants do wonders against parking lot armies. But despite the lopsided matchup, SabrX come back in the end to make the score more respectable, despite the fact that he was playing catch-up the entire game. Gotta give credit to his (my) Imperial Knight, which got 3-4 VP's all by himself. Can't wait to use him in my future games!
Coming up next - White Scars Space Marines with Astra Militarum allies!
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Couldnt you have hypothetically deployed the bastion in the corner in such a way as to BLOS to your Flyrant? I would think with the gargs you'd have been able to pull this off. Seems better to have reserved that flyrant and forced him to just shoot at Gargs.
I suppose I could, but at the time, I didn't think to. The only thing I was thinking was to either reserve all my flyrants or to deploy one as bait.
I was actually rather inexperienced with my list insofar as 7th was concerned. Before the tournament, I've only ran Skyblight once and Tyranids twice ever since 7E came out.
Also, at the time of the game, I forgot that the flyrant could jink even if he was standing still. Thus, I deployed him in ruins for 2+ cover instead.
I feel you. In the future it may be worth a shot. I know its possible (to BLOS in corner), used to do it with FMCs myself. And it would have drawn him even further into no-man's land.
Just for giggles, you should test a list that has Imperial Knight allies. It definitely seems effective.
Bee beep boo baap
2014/08/07 07:33:55
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT (Game #1 Completed on p.1)
I feel you. In the future it may be worth a shot. I know its possible (to BLOS in corner), used to do it with FMCs myself. And it would have drawn him even further into no-man's land.
Just for giggles, you should test a list that has Imperial Knight allies. It definitely seems effective.
That's why I got the IK (which SabrX was borrowing for the tourney). You will most likely see him in a future battle report.
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I feel you. In the future it may be worth a shot. I know its possible (to BLOS in corner), used to do it with FMCs myself. And it would have drawn him even further into no-man's land.
Just for giggles, you should test a list that has Imperial Knight allies. It definitely seems effective.
That's why I got the IK (which SabrX was borrowing for the tourney). You will most likely see him in a future battle report.
Yessss... more TyranKnights!
2014/08/07 15:27:06
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT (Game #1 Completed on p.1)
Ugh, rough first turn for him. He needed to be further back with those exorcists and just outrange you with his side armor (if that makes sense). Thanks for the report though.
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2014/08/07 17:04:04
Subject: 1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014 (Game #2 Completed on p.2)
I feel you. In the future it may be worth a shot. I know its possible (to BLOS in corner), used to do it with FMCs myself. And it would have drawn him even further into no-man's land.
Just for giggles, you should test a list that has Imperial Knight allies. It definitely seems effective.
That's why I got the IK (which SabrX was borrowing for the tourney). You will most likely see him in a future battle report.
Yessss... more TyranKnights!
I was thinking more for my grey knights....but why not? TyraKnights and also NecroKnights AV13-spam!
pretre wrote: Ugh, rough first turn for him. He needed to be further back with those exorcists and just outrange you with his side armor (if that makes sense). Thanks for the report though.
You're welcome. He was trying to take advantage of the ruins to give his 1 exorcist 4+ cover. I probably wouldn't have been able to get to his side armor if it weren't for Onslaught. Then again, SabrX has had no experience at all playing against the new Tyranids (both in this edition and in 6th) and did the best he could despite being a bug virgin.
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pretre wrote: Ugh, rough first turn for him. He needed to be further back with those exorcists and just outrange you with his side armor (if that makes sense). Thanks for the report though.
You're welcome. He was trying to take advantage of the ruins to give his 1 exorcist 4+ cover. I probably wouldn't have been able to get to his side armor if it weren't for Onslaught. Then again, SabrX has had no experience at all playing against the new Tyranids (both in this edition and in 6th) and did the best he could despite being a bug virgin.
Yeah, I'm mostly monday morning'ing it. Hard to recover from losing two exorcists that early though. Glad to see he kept it so close.
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2014/08/07 17:08:57
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014 (Game #2 Completed on p.2)
Tough game, but glad to see the Nids come out on top! Does the BAO count buildings as Kill points? The ATC format doesn't count fortifications as part of your army for KPs, but you won the Primary anyways.
2014/08/07 17:18:10
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014 (Game #2 Completed on p.2)
pretre wrote: Ugh, rough first turn for him. He needed to be further back with those exorcists and just outrange you with his side armor (if that makes sense). Thanks for the report though.
You're welcome. He was trying to take advantage of the ruins to give his 1 exorcist 4+ cover. I probably wouldn't have been able to get to his side armor if it weren't for Onslaught. Then again, SabrX has had no experience at all playing against the new Tyranids (both in this edition and in 6th) and did the best he could despite being a bug virgin.
Yeah, I'm mostly monday morning'ing it. Hard to recover from losing two exorcists that early though. Glad to see he kept it so close.
Ironically, when I've played my bugs against his sisters in the past, I've always ignored his exorcists due to the fact that they were just too hard for my bugs with limited shooting to kill. This is actually the very first time that I've actually been able to kill all 3 of his exorcists with my bugs.
jifel wrote: Tough game, but glad to see the Nids come out on top! Does the BAO count buildings as Kill points? The ATC format doesn't count fortifications as part of your army for KPs, but you won the Primary anyways.
Honestly, I didn't think it was worth a VP, but a later opponent I played against argued that it was worth a VP (and also First Blood). Thus, for the purposes of the report, I gave SabrX the benefit of the doubt by including it as a VP. But I really should ask about this in YMDC.
Warlord shoots at exorcist side armor to take it out for First Blood.
How on earth did you guys determine this as side arc? Unless he knocked it when he pulled the hatches and turret off that looks like front to me.
You had the game either way, and maybe your shot was with a fish eye lens? I don't mean to side rail the thread, but I also don't want whats left of the gaming community near me to think its so easy to get side armor there.
pretre wrote: Ugh, rough first turn for him. He needed to be further back with those exorcists and just outrange you with his side armor (if that makes sense). Thanks for the report though.
I would have clumped up and castled in a corner if it weren't for the Mawloc. Also, I didn't realize Mawlocs are Str6. For some reason, I thought it was a Str8 large blast. In hindsight, taking 2 Str6 AP2 hits to the side armor would have been worth the risk. This was a tough match up and highlights the number #1 weakness of my list, flyers. Then again, if I play too conservatively, there's noway I could accumulate points in secondary.
Yeah, very good point. As I said, I was mostly just commenting. Not really faulting your play as you did a great job with the deck stacked against you.
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2014/08/07 17:47:16
Subject: 1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT (Game #1 Completed on p.1)
Warlord shoots at exorcist side armor to take it out for First Blood.
How on earth did you guys determine this as side arc? Unless he knocked it when he pulled the hatches and turret off that looks like front to me.
You had the game either way, and maybe your shot was with a fish eye lens? I don't mean to side rail the thread, but I also don't want whats left of the gaming community near me to think its so easy to get side armor there.
We measured from corner to corner of the tank and one of the flyrants had the majority of its base in the exorcist's side arc.
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2014/08/07 17:54:17
Subject: Re:1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014 (Game #2 Completed on p.2)
Great report, love to see nids able to compete! Self-allying really helps them, I think. I'm planning on being ready to do so for events that allow it, which seems pretty common so far in 7th.
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2014/08/08 03:20:22
Subject: 1850 Sky Fleet Pandora at the BAO GT 2014 (Game #2 Completed on p.2)
If you had to do it over again, would you still have reserved everything against the Drop Pod opponent? Worst case scenario, you lose a flyrant which is what happened anyways.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another question. The BAOFAQ says:
Buildings may take cover saves granted by terrain or intervening units just like a vehicle does, treating the building’s entire silhouette as it’s facing if none is apparent.
Did you ever claim a cover save for your Bastion?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Last question. Did you ever Jink a FMC on turn 1 to soften the alpha strike? FMC's don't need to be swooping to jink, and you get a 2+ cover if you are in range of the venom.
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