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My dice hate me.

It is known...

Don't much care though, as i'm just in it for a good time.

An example would be todays game. A small 500 pt bash. Game was effectively over after turn 1 for my orks against DE. Almost every unit was rendered useless or running off the field after a series of amazing rolls from my opponent and shoddy ones from me.

game ended with two grot artillery crew, my last models, charging a DE succubus.

They died, oddly enough

Haha, made me think of this for those Termie 2+ saves.

 Nevelon wrote:
My d6s do OK by me. My scatter die is a little cube of hate though. It can go die somewhere. All of them, they are in it together.

Well, it's the equivalent of rolling for a 5+ in fairness. Of course it sucks.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol

Well I got a signature

I had a game where my 3 Obliterators with Terminator Black Mace Chaos Lord were charged by Ork Boys. He did 6 wounds and I rolled all ones.

I do not remember this occasion for my bad luck. The Chaos Lord wiped the entire group and turned into a Daemon Prince that scored an objective and killed off a Battle Wagon next turn. Some 15 Orks died in the explosion, the rest got pinned and were butchered next turn by the Daemon Prince.

Take your dice, roll them at least 500 times (the more the better/clearer) and make a note of each result. Inevitably your results will follow the uniform distribution. If you did it 1000 times and it is not uniform then you should switch your dice. Everything other than that is only psychological effects.

This, however, does not mean that you can't have outliers in a single game. But a good strategist/tactician takes this into account and wins more consistently than others since his strategies factor this in.

If you believe that your subconscious mind which can handle running on eneven ground is incapable of influencing dice rolls on a standardized surface, you are underestimating it a whole lot.

Now, for those things that our subconscious can influence, the signal seems to be mostly based on how we feel.

If you're afraid of rolling bad and/or expect bad dice rolls, your brain will attempt to make it happen.

If you're feeling unstoppable and expect great rolls, your brain will attempt to make it happen.

A perfectly calibrated robot can roll only sixes if rolling on the same surface with the same dice every time.

The human brain can also do that but it takes a lot of training and conditioning to educate and guide your subconscious mind, which is the only part of your brain that has access to all the raw sensor data and statistics.


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In short, if you roll bad all the time, you are stuck in a loop of bad thoughts creating bad rolls causing more anticipation of bad rolls etc.

You need to change your beliefs and habits to expect and believe in your own success.

Try to start your game with a strong feeling of kickass / invincible / unstoppable. Music can help a lot.

Last time I did that, I was roling 90% sixes for like 30 dice - until the feeling faded. Unfortunately, invisibility and fortune are both on number 5.

My friend however does believe this, if he has to make a tough roll, he'll start taking deep breaths, squeeze the dice and generally look like hes trying to solve a complex quadratic equation.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it dosent.....

 Murenius wrote:
Take your dice, roll them at least 500 times (the more the better/clearer) and make a note of each result.

EDIT: I think I've unintentionally created an optical illusion. Anyone else see numbers other than '1' on the dice in their peripheral vision?

@Ratius My theory is based on facts, your denial is based on feelings.

I gave the OP a way out, you gave us an irrelevant picture of a craft no alien race would ever use because its design is slowed and people who do manage to cross that many light years can't do it with "slowed design".

Yup that does it.
I'm now fully convinced you are an irony-bot because that last post is too much Morgoth


How he feth is anything you said just there factual information by any definition of the word loool I mean the science behind it seems shaky at best ahaha

morgoth wrote:
...and people who do manage to cross that many light years can't do it with "slowed design".

Don't know... maybe they just wish it hard?

morgoth wrote:
@Ratius My theory is based on facts, your denial is based on feelings.

I gave the OP a way out, you gave us an irrelevant picture of a craft no alien race would ever use because its design is slowed and people who do manage to cross that many light years can't do it with "slowed design".

Well, what you wrote was dangerously close to Quantum-Entanglement-Indigo-Child-Deepak-Chopra-The-Secret-WooWoo nonsense.

If what you are talking about is from a strictly the-mechanics-of-rolling-dice point of view, then, fine.....we agree. With enough data we can be pretty deterministic about rolling dice, and if we can control the variables precisely enough we can reproduce the same result over and over again.

But if you are talking about influencing dice rolls directly using only your mind (through quantum entanglement or chi or some other energy) then you are going to get an X-Files picture from me too.
Physics (since March 2013) fully understands and explains all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives here on Earth.
Quantum entanglement isn't part of it, and there is no more room for pseudo-scientific made-up energies. Such energy(interactions) do not, and crucially cannot, exist.

I seem to recall a study a while ago that showed people could influence a random-number-generator with their minds.

(I believe in that case it was an electronic one, not a dice.)

But, I've no idea if their results were successfully reproduced. I'll see if I can find it.

 vipoid wrote:
I seem to recall a study a while ago that showed people could influence a random-number-generator with their minds.

(I believe in that case it was an electronic one, not a dice.)

But, I've no idea if their results were successfully reproduced. I'll see if I can find it.

Global Consciousness Project, maybe? Been a while since I last checked on that one, and frankly I'm a bit disappointed. Looks like it started as fringe science but has veered straight into the pseudoscientific. Global meditation? Phew.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Back on topic, my prime opponent is, and will always be, Eldar. Quantum Entanglement or not, the dice seem to act odd around them. Word.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:

Global Consciousness Project, maybe? Been a while since I last checked on that one, and frankly I'm a bit disappointed. Looks like it started as fringe science but has veered straight into the pseudoscientific. Global meditation? Phew.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure the experiment I'm thinking of was a much smaller-scale project.

But, it's been ages since I read about it so I could easily be misremembering.

Steelmage99 wrote:

morgoth wrote:
@Ratius My theory is based on facts, your denial is based on feelings.

I gave the OP a way out, you gave us an irrelevant picture of a craft no alien race would ever use because its design is slowed and people who do manage to cross that many light years can't do it with "slowed design".

Well, what you wrote was dangerously close to Quantum-Entanglement-Indigo-Child-Deepak-Chopra-The-Secret-WooWoo nonsense.

If what you are talking about is from a strictly the-mechanics-of-rolling-dice point of view, then, fine.....we agree. With enough data we can be pretty deterministic about rolling dice, and if we can control the variables precisely enough we can reproduce the same result over and over again.

But if you are talking about influencing dice rolls directly using only your mind (through quantum entanglement or chi or some other energy) then you are going to get an X-Files picture from me too.
Physics (since March 2013) fully understands and explains all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives here on Earth.
Quantum entanglement isn't part of it, and there is no more room for pseudo-scientific made-up energies. Such energy(interactions) do not, and crucially cannot, exist.

Then you're reading it wrong.

This has nothing to do with quantum entanglement.

Your subconscious has all the data to be deterministic about rolling dice.

Unfortunately, you don't have direct access to that, or to fine motor control for that matter (unless you train really hard for years, and even then most humans can at most master their fingers (painting, etc.)).

The one thing you're missing at that point is the signaling to tell your subconscious that a 6 is a good roll and a 6 is what you want right now when throwing the dice.

I then proceeded to explain how you can approximate a signal of "I want to roll a six now", which from my experience seems to be mostly related to feelings, probably because they have the same meaning in both the conscious and subconscious mind.


Most people who average 3 minus on dice are genuinely afraid of their dice rolls and believe that they'll roll badly every time.

This signals to their subconscious what kind of dice roll is expected, and this is how the dice throw is modulated to match the expectation.



There are countless examples of a state of mind influencing the outcome of an action realized through the subconscious (anything involving muscles).


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 vipoid wrote:
I seem to recall a study a while ago that showed people could influence a random-number-generator with their minds.

(I believe in that case it was an electronic one, not a dice.)

But, I've no idea if their results were successfully reproduced. I'll see if I can find it.

I don't know about that, but from a purely theoretical standpoint, the EM waves generated by your brain could be a way to affect electronic devices.

Do keep in mind however that physics is not complete by any stretch of the imagination and the human sciences are far behind.

Ahaha. Found it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton_Engineering_Anomalies_Research_Lab

I think this is the right one. After all, what the GCP is trying to prove is not the power of mind over matter, but the existance of some weird noospheric global mind link.

It's sad, but the only thing I could think of when I read that was 'is telekinesis the right word?'.

Steelmage99 wrote:
Physics (since March 2013) fully understands and explains all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives here on Earth.

Do you remember how many theories have been shattered before the one you believe in ?

Physics is very obviously far from fully understanding anything, and is limited to predicting most phenomena through mathematical tricks that ignore the precise nature of the elements at play.

morgoth wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
Physics (since March 2013) fully understands and explains all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives here on Earth.

Do you remember how many theories have been shattered before the one you believe in ?

Physics is very obviously far from fully understanding anything, and is limited to predicting most phenomena through mathematical tricks that ignore the precise nature of the elements at play.

Please note that I am not saying that physics understand/explain everything. Dark Matter and Dark Energy is an example of something physics has yet to understand and explain.

I said that physics understand/explain all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives on Earth. With our increased understanding of the Standard Model the only kind of energy interactions that are left possible are either so short-ranged or so weakly interacting that they have no relevance for our everyday lives on Earth.
Keep in mind that we do factor in powers as short-ranged powers as the Strong Nuclear power and as weak as Gravity.

I have no problem with theories beings "shattered", as you put it. That is all part of the scientific process. I also fully understand what a physicist means when he or she says that something has been "proven".

Steelmage99 wrote:
I said that physics understand/explain all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives on Earth.

And it's wrong.

How can you know if you know everything until you do know everything ?

morgoth wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
I said that physics understand/explain all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives on Earth.

And it's wrong.

How can you know if you know everything until you do know everything ?

I am not (on behalf of physics) claiming to know everything.

PS. I really enjoy that we can disagree here in this thread, while at the same time (sorta) agreeing and having fun in the Unpainted vs. Painted thread.



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http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Fascinating.

There are countless examples of a state of mind influencing the outcome of an action realized through the subconscious (anything involving muscles).

Are you talking about muscle memory? I agree it has merit but it cant be attributed to rolling dice imo. the number of imperfections in the dice. table, your hands etc etc hare too many for simple "practice" to overcome.

 Ratius wrote:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Fascinating.

There are countless examples of a state of mind influencing the outcome of an action realized through the subconscious (anything involving muscles).

Are you talking about muscle memory? I agree it has merit but it cant be attributed to rolling dice imo. the number of imperfections in the dice. table, your hands etc etc hare too many for simple "practice" to overcome.

I don't roll on the table. I roll in the same box with the same dice and the same overall roll movement. I give my brain a chance to do what it does best: adapt.

My hands are a factor that is well known to my subconscious.

The dice are a lot more standardized than you give them credit for.

But the main thing is: do I roll 100% sixes ? no I don't. is it possible ? maybe but who cares.

What matters is that I roll 4+ average, and that's a ton better than the expected average, and a lot better than those players who are afraid of their dice.

It's not just muscle memory, but if you think about walking, it'll give you an idea of what your subconscious can do for you.

The problem with using walking as an anlaogy is thus:

You say that your subconsious can influence dice rolls either through positive thoughts or muscle memory i.e. learning how to roll a certain way or using the same technique over and over.

I agree your subconsious plays a pretty big part in walking, after a while you simply dont think about it, almost like an autopilot.
The problem though is that walking has to be learned by humans.

So your analogy implies that one can learn to roll well and roll better. But one cannot, as I said there are too many imperfections in that box that you roll in, the shape of your hand, the temperature of the air in the room etc etc etc.

 Ratius wrote:
But one cannot, as I said there are too many imperfections in that box that you roll in, the shape of your hand, the temperature of the air in the room etc etc etc.

And that's where you're wrong. There are at least as many factors when walking, and robots have an easier time throwing sixes than walking, meaning it's also easier on the brain.

What you seem to not realize is that any improvement over 3.5 average is a good thing, just like any improvement on not being able to walk at all (which is what would happen if you rolled an average of all possible leg and foot movements) is a good thing.

Every dice you throw you throw on autopilot. Your autopilot is configured based on your feedback, just like for walking. If your feedback is gibberish, your subconscious will not adapt. If your feedback is clear and precise, like falling on the floor and getting hurt is, your brain will learn to throw dice.

It is that simple.

Ideally you'll want two set of dice that feel radically different when going for high rolls and low rolls, otherwise you'll slow down the learning process with mixed signals.

 GreaterGoodIreland wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
My d6s do OK by me. My scatter die is a little cube of hate though. It can go die somewhere. All of them, they are in it together.

Well, it's the equivalent of rolling for a 5+ in fairness. Of course it sucks.

It’s not just the hit/arrow. It’s what direction the arrow wants to go. Now the distance isn’t the scatter die’s fault, but I think he bullies my normal d6s into screwing me.

Shooting a plasma cannon at a carnifex at BS5. Even if I scatter a little, I should still clip the big guy. What happens? I scatter widely off target, vaporizing the plasma gunner on a bike squad 5-6” away.

Or every frag missile I toss down range. Even against packed targets. I normally stick to kracks, but sometimes the situation wants the small burst. Which I later regret.

What I try to do is minimize the chances the dice have to screw me. Don’t let large things hinge on a single toss of the die. I.e. the fully loaded stormraven in reserves. Because while on average the dice follow statistical patterns, streaks happen. So some games, it’s going to show up on turn 5. And most games go poorly when playing with a 500 point handicap.

It’s why I dislike my scatter die; too variable. And generally I don’t use enough of them to even out. Although the TFC with it’s 4 shots works pretty well. Reminds me of my screaming skull catapults way back when for my undead army. I always fielded a pair of them. Even though I could estimate the range I needed with a very good level of accuracy, one would always misfire/scatter/etc. So by fielding two, I made sure I go the job done. One of the reasons I play Ultramarines as well. Back in 3rd both BA and DA had rules where the BA would charge towards the enemy 1/6 of the time, and DA would stand and stubbornly shoot in much the same way. Ultras might have lacked the cool units and special rules, but they did what I told them to do. Same reason I picked Slaanesh and Undead for WHFB. Basically immune to psychology, so I removed a chance for the dice to screw me on a random fear/panic check.

morgoth wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:
Physics (since March 2013) fully understands and explains all energy interactions relevant to our everyday lives here on Earth.

Do you remember how many theories have been shattered before the one you believe in ?

Physics is very obviously far from fully understanding anything, and is limited to predicting most phenomena through mathematical tricks that ignore the precise nature of the elements at play.

So explain to me what definition the word "factual" has if we have to use it to describe your initial post, the one that you are claiming trumps the laws of physics and basically everything we know about the world we live in. Never mind all that, you just go on rolling 6's nine times out of ten instead of 1 time out of 6 like the rest of us do, and in this factual world of yours I guess your opponents must have 1/10th the courage of you noble sir morgoth, else not a single dice would roll anything but 6. With your definition "factual" we can rename WFB to Warhammer Factual Battle looool xD

 SHUPPET wrote:
So explain to me what definition the word "factual" has if we have to use it to describe your initial post, the one that you are claiming trumps the laws of physics and basically everything we know about the world we live in.

You're exaggerating quite a bit my dear.

It's a fact that your brain can handle walking.

It's also a fact that it can handle throwing dice.

If you don't want to handle it, your problem not mine.

With the whole chessex vs casino dice. I always figured that if everyone in the LGS is using chessex, it balances itself out. We do have a few people who bust out the casino dice for "super important rolls"