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luke1705 wrote:
Forewarning is the definition of a set modifier. I don't belive it works any longer.

If this is the stance you're taking (one which has already been debated to death for two years, and soundly decided against), there's no "any longer" to it. The rules you're quoting are entirely unchanged from 6th Edition.

Literally nothing about the interaction changed.

Grimore modifies the dice roll not the save.

Nope, it's a save modifier.

The thing is, for some reason, you're allowed to have multiple invulnerable saves, all of which benefit from the modifier.

Now if you were only ever allowed one invulnerable save (no rules support there), then it would work differently.

the chaos guy wrote:
Grimore modifies the dice roll not the save.

Rules state saves, not invulnerable saves rolls.

morgoth wrote:
Nope, it's a save modifier.

The thing is, for some reason, you're allowed to have multiple invulnerable saves, all of which benefit from the modifier.

Now if you were only ever allowed one invulnerable save (no rules support there), then it would work differently.

It's no different than having multiple cover saves (i.e. you have a squad that is both obscured by another unit for a 5+ cover save and is also in ruins for a 4+ cover save) and those saves interacting with a modifier such as stealth or shrouded.

So the grimoire still works as it has since 6th. Let's move on. Anyone have anymore thoughts on the mini-Screamer Star and possible uses for it?