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**Slayer-Fan123**

Flayed Ones had a prototype for the Fear rule. SURE it wasn't great, but it made sense, and them not having it currently makes little sense.

**Jimsolo**

A) Twelve man Drop Pods.
B) Generic marines being able to choose to fail Morale tests.
C) The special rules that came with Duke Sliscus and Baron Sathonyx.
D) The rule that forbade you from attacking an opponent that just charged you if you were locked from a previous turn. Did me more good than harm.
E) Gate of Infinity on Tigurius. (Reliably.)
F) Range reducing Night Shields. Oh God, I miss those.

**Yipyioh**

Blacksails wrote:
Lumbering Behemoth.

Vanilla and Demolisher Russes haven't been quite the same since.

This. Absolutely this. Though the new Techpriest's rule can imitate it, it will never be duplicated.

In addition, "The Sarge is Acting Strangely." My buddies and I used to house rule (along with a couple other rules to balance it) it that EVERYONE coming in from reserves (not just outflank) had to test for it. It was frickin' hilarious to see half my infantry burst into ripper swarms as soon as they hit the table.

**Ugavine**

Zogsworts Curse.

Nothing funnier than seeing your opponents HQ turned into a Squig

**Mr. Burning**

2nd ed shokk Attack Gun rules, disgorging snotlings into the armoured heads/legs and or chests of dreadnoughts was fun.

**Torga_DW**

Mr. Burning wrote:
2nd ed shokk Attack Gun rules, disgorging snotlings into the armoured heads/legs and or chests of dreadnoughts was fun.

I always liked the chart for when the snotling teleports inside the guy's helmet, but he knows what to do and calmly bites the head off the deranged snotling before continuing the battle.

**filbert**

I second some of the old Ork rules like Mob rule and Mobbing up. The recent incarnations of the ork codex have felt a little bland in comparison.

**nosferatu1001**

Jimsolo wrote:

D) The rule that forbade you from attacking an opponent that just charged you if you were locked from a previous turn. Did me more good than harm.

That wasn't a rule since before 4th, unless I've missed something. There was some conpfusion in 5th I recall though.

**the_scotsman**

Zogwart's curse: Roll a die. Your opponent rolls a die. If you roll higher, replace your opponent's Draigo model with the squig you bring painted up specifically to be Squigdor Draigo, who you bring along every single time you play vs Grey Knights.

God. I had Chapter Master Ultrasquig, Commissar Yarsquig, Squigdor Draigo, and The Squiglord. Zogwart was my signature unit and GW killed him because they were too lazy to say "this fantasy ork shaman model with the staff and the snakes who looks just like Zogwart, HES FRICKIN ZOGWART HERE HAVE A ROUND BASE." Like, five seconds of effort. That's all Zogwart asked.

**Erik_Morkai**

Behind Enemy Lines
Charging out of reserve/outflank

**the_Armyman**

1. Power weapons that ignored ALL armor.
2. PAGKs with True Grit.
3. Unsaved wound? I choose where to pull from the unit.
4. Back to 3rd Edition vehicle damage tables. Get rid of Hull points and AP1/2 modifiers and...
5. ...assaulting vehicles based on their facing, NOT always rear armor.
6. Bring back Guess-range weapons. On that topic...
7. ...absolutely no pre-measuring.
8. 4th Edition terrain and LOS rules. No TLOS.
9. Just LESS randomness overall.

And finally...

10. Bring back 3rd Edition-style comp scoring at GTs/RTTs. And then bring back supported GTs/RTTs

**Bobthehero**

Medusa Siege gun having 120'' range and the Barrage rule, back in 5th.

That was only for the Death Korps and it was awesome.

Oh and pinning for anything Barrage, good times.

**Jeffrachov**

insaniak wrote:
Jeffrachov wrote:
I miss a rule that said that any model that tipped over (due to standing on uneven terrain) got a wound. This may have been a WFB rule though. Either way it was around 2nd edition times i think..

Unless it was from Rogue Trader, that's never been a 40K rule. The closest was the 2nd ed Ork Battlewagon, which allowed you to transport as many orks as you could pile on top, but they took a wound if they fell off.

Yea now that I think about it properly it may have been a first edition fantasy rule. Back in those days everything is mixed up in my head

I have met a cool homebuilt battlewagon that was made just to pile as many orks on top of it as possible. They did tend to fall off tho, so it was pretty fun to watch

**AnomanderRake**

The 4e SM book. Mix and match bits and pieces to make your own Chapter, and Chapter Tactics came with drawbacks.

**vipoid**

- 5th edition wound allocation

- the 5th edition rulebook

- Urien Rakarth's 'Meld the Flesh rule'. I really don't see why this needed to be changed to IWND (5+). This really annoys me because his regeneration is such a huge part of his fluff - it's the whole reason he looks the way he does. And as rules go, it's hardly adding a great deal of complexity - all you're doing is making it IWND (1+).

- The complete lack of a challenge mechanic

- Choosing psychic powers

- The non-existence of snapshots

- When Fear didn't exist, and hence wasn't shoehorned into every new book

**Windchild**

A few things that I miss from fifth:

Pinning from Barrage, Pinning from Sniper Rifles, charge range, and wound allocation.

The Orks in 7th are really bland compared to the previous version. I'd like to see Ramshackle, Zogswort, old version of mob rule, among other rules, returned.

**Furyou Miko**

Witch Hunter Spirit of the Martyr.

3++ invuns on basic infantry and a 2++ on the Canoness? Yes please.

**David Ravel**

I really liked the old Imperial Guard army thing that you chose traits. It would make for awesome fluffy stuff and you could more easily recreate the different regiment (Tanith, Catachan, Cadian, etc.).

**lustigjh**

I really wish I would have been around for some of these old rules. Old orks sounds hysterical (good thing I've got a copy of their old codex)

**leopard**

- Leadership, Willpower, Cool and Intelligence being separate stats.
- Movement scores, amazing to think stuff could move at different rates
- Madboyz from 1st edition
- models picking individual targets (just needed a way to pass off hits among members of the same squad to stop sniping)
- overwatch as reaction fire
- flying models at different flight levels
- vehicles with the same basic profile as other models

**The Imperial Answer**

The old rules for the Stompa's Co-axial giga-shooter. In theory you could fire forever during your turn as long as you didn't roll a double.

**DarknessEternal**

1. Farseers being the most badass thing in the game.
2. Terminators being unreasonably hard to kill.

**Furyou Miko**

Sustained Fire Dice!

**Skinnereal**

Skilled Rider for all bike characters.
Yet another 'gone without a trace' rule that only got spotted mid-game.

**Bharring**

Combat Squadding when deploying, instead of army generation. Seems lackluster.

**vipoid**

Move Through Cover for all characters.

It was just a nice little bonus.

**docdoom77**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Sustained Fire Dice!

To each their own, but next to the ridiculous HtH rules, those darn things were my least favorite part of 2nd edition. Forced Guardians to fire one at a time, could jam on a miss, and still only generated one hit 33% of the time.

That being said, if the results had been Jam, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3 (two 3's, instead of two 1's) that would help. And only rolling them on a successful hit would cut down the confusion and wasted time.

**AlmightyWalrus**

Righteous Zeal. The Vows can get lost for all I care, I want my Zeal back!

**Blacksails**

I know what rule BA are missing right now.

**SGTPozy**

I miss being able to join MC units with IC, that was the best :(